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RE: Islam - what is it and what is its threats - 11/18/2009 1:03:32 PM
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cornergas
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Very informative posts theocentric..
They should clear up some of the bad information "Christians" are operating under regarding Muslims and their religion, and Allah..Seems many cannot get the idea that the new testament is based on love..Love for God, and Love of people..but again we have to pay attention to our own salvation, and our own spirituality, and pray that we have all the facts before we start criticism of others religious belief..and we must make sure we are correctly following the God of the Bible..If we are, then we should not have room for hatred and agression toward the Muslim people!
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RE: Islam - what is it and what is its threats - 11/18/2009 1:06:03 PM
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TheosCentric
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Is that the scripture according to CitationSquirrel or is there real scriptural reference for that statement?
Well, considering that Islam didn't really come into existence until approximately 632 A.D. (from what I'm seeing, although I'm sure TheosCentric would be able to correct me), I don't think we are going to see any specific reference to Islam in the Bible. That being said however, if I look at the characteristics of the God of Christianity and compare them to the god of Islam, I'm not seeing a lot of similarities between the two.
That would be correct, although it took about 100 years before the Qur'an as we have it today came into existence.
And there is no reference to Islam in the Bible.
I even have a theory that Ishmael could or could not even be the descendants of the Arabs. The only proof of that is Muhammad saying so, but that's just a theory. It could be Esau for all we know.
The 99 names of Allah are very similar to the attributes of God, but it's the heart that worships that matters, not the words on paper.
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RE: Islam - what is it and what is its threats - 11/18/2009 1:25:09 PM
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RE Islam what is it and what is its threats
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How is Islam different than Christianity?
Do the majority of Muslims want to wipe out Christianity and force Christians to convert?
What is Islam's threat to Christianity and Western Civilization?
Greetings
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How is Islam different than Christianity?
Islam practices Jihad and Christianity salvation
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Do the majority of Muslims want to wipe out Christianity and force Christians to convert?
No they want to make you fall (a real-time example is seen as those who support Islam in this country want to bring the USA down to the worlds level = the same thing
…..Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
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What is Islam's threat to Christianity and Western Civilization?
Exactly what we are seeing going on at this very moment in time
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RE: Islam - what is it and what is its threats - 11/18/2009 2:59:38 PM
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Eutychus
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And there is no reference to Islam in the Bible.
I agree, but don't they attribute the OT prophecy to be about Muhammad that we Christians consider to a reference to John the Baptist?
Another thing I find interesting is that I've heard they say God protects and preserves His written word, but when the Bible and Quran are in conflict they say Jews and/or Christians corrupted the Bible.
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RE: Islam - what is it and what is its threats - 11/18/2009 3:14:39 PM
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And there is no reference to Islam in the Bible.
I agree, but don't they attribute the OT prophecy to be about Muhammad that we Christians consider to a reference to John the Baptist?
The Muslims attribute the prophecy about the Holy Spirit in John 16 to Muhammad. I counted this argument a number of times on my recent trip to Mali. Many of them have only heard it from their Imam, but don't know where it comes from. I would venture to say the Imams don't even know themselves. It's just rote.
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Another thing I find interesting is that I've heard they say God protects and preserves His written word, but when the Bible and Quran are in conflict they say Jews and/or Christians corrupted the Bible.
The Qur'an at times speaks of how God's Word doesn't change. It also upholds the Torah, Psalms, and Injil (Gospel).
There is one passage that speaks of corruption, but in a historical context, one sees that there were some Jews that Muhammad knew that had lied to him about some passages. In reference, the passage is really referring the corrupt talk coming out of the Jewish leaders' mouths at the time, but has been interpreted to refer to the Bible. Yet one can easily counter by pointing to verses in both the Qur'an and the Bible that God's Word cannot be changed. It's a difficult position to be placed in at times, but if one focuses the discussion on the Gospel and why we need a Savior, then this issue may or may not be an issue.
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RE: Islam - what is it and what is its threats - 11/18/2009 3:21:38 PM
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Mohammed (Or probably his wife) plagurized to Scrptures to suit an agenda that they had to conquer those who had rejected Mohammed.
Just as Smith did for the Mormans and many others have done (Baker, Russell, Jones, etc.); as Jesus prophesied.
(Mat 24:5) For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
(Mat 24:6) And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
(Mat 24:7) For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
(Mat 24:8) All these are the beginning of sorrows.
(Mat 24:9) Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
(Mat 24:10) And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
(Mat 24:11) And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
(Mat 24:12) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
(Mat 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
No difference; just another cultic (AntiScriptureal) movement.
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RE: Islam - what is it and what is its threats - 11/19/2009 3:12:33 PM
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Yes conquer converts, just like the Roman church did in the past with it's armies, under the guise of christianity..slaughtering people who would not join their perverted version of christianity. And of course we had "christians" on both sides of world wars killing each other, and "christians" in Ireland killing each other for years and the list continues to grow...yes we sure are in a position to judge other peoples' spiritual beliefs...hmmm the words "take the log out of your own eyes before trying to remove the one from your brothers' eyes" comes to mind.
Know the truth and it will set you free
Vengeance is mine says God
You reap what you sew-violence begets violence
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RE: Islam - what is it and what is its threats - 11/19/2009 3:14:52 PM
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Correction: Muhammad's first wife was not a Christian. It was her cousin who was the Christian that confirmed Muhammad's "prophethood".
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RE: Islam - what is it and what is its threats - 11/19/2009 3:42:57 PM
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I guess judging in the LIGHT of Scripture
no longer applies?
Jesus is no longer the only way to God?
We can just love everyone into heaven?
there is to be no hate for any group of people.
We are one race created by one God.
And God handed down His Word to Moses and
became the WORD in Yeshua (Jesus).
Just a nickles worth without reading the thread. LOL
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RE: Islam - what is it and what is its threats - 11/19/2009 4:40:56 PM
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Yes conquer converts, just like the Roman church did in the past with it's armies, under the guise of christianity..slaughtering people who would not join their perverted version of christianity. And of course we had "christians" on both sides of world wars killing each other, and "christians" in Ireland killing each other for years and the list continues to grow...yes we sure are in a position to judge other peoples' spiritual beliefs...hmmm the words "take the log out of your own eyes before trying to remove the one from your brothers' eyes" comes to mind.
Which, if any, of those actions were Christ-like and according to His and His Apostles teachings? If they aren't, then those people were not acting like Christians.
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