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My sister's son is satan's son - 11/2/2009 6:15:58 PM
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hammerandnails
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Hi everyone!
I haven't been here in a while, and I want to say Hi..!
I had no idea where to post this, and if is not appropriate, please I appologize to
moderators. It has some what to do with the church and WOF. I looked for that thread, but I could not find it.
I visited this forum as a new believer, new born baby and in WOF up to my neck.
Thanks to this forum I was able to see the light and find a good wholesome church
and I am reporting that I am growing and walk with the Lord daily.
However, I have a nephew, my sister's son that stepped on my every nerve and on nerves I didn't even know I have.
My sister is a wof'er along with her husband and children.
I had admonished her a while ago and gave her all the literature and the sites available about those people.
I had spoken to her many times and gave her biblical proof.
Since couple of years ago, we have not brought up the subject, and I allowed her time to research for herself.
About 2 mo. ago, my nephew, her son came to visit in Florida where we are, and all hell broke loose.
If you ever saw any of the "Omen" movies, he is like Damian!!!
And I am not exagerating.!!!
In two months, he managed to: steel from everybody, borow thing that he will never return, threaten my son (his cousin who brought him here and payed for his ticket) that he will kill him, lied, lied, LIED, LIED every step of the way, threaten my son that he will destroy his proprety, borow cars from people that he doesn't know (my son's friends) and drive arown town, mind you without a DL, disrespected me and my family,damaged others propriety, and that is just the short version.
But most of all he tells everybody that he is a famous basketball player, to others that he will be a famous basketball player. He told everybody that his family is moving to Calabasas, they bought land there and they are in the process of building this grand house. He is "CLAIMING" and standing in "FAITH" ( if you recognize the wof lingo). I am concerned for my sister being in this church.
I know that he learns these concepts from their church, but I didn't know that is that bad.
In the mean time, my sister and my brother in law are broke!!!
They borrowing money from my mom which is on disability!!
I was very stern with him, but I am afraid, too stern. He is not allowed in my house and around my children.
He is not allowed in my son's condo. He is not allowed into his grandmother's building. I banned him from every where here in Florida. I allowed myself to loose my temper because of this kid. My question is did I go too far?
I told myself to show him love in the spirit of meekness. But I cannot show this kid any love!
And I guess my second question is what can I do to help my sister? She lives in another state and is dificult to communicate, and now she will not talk to me. But she will eventually call me specially when she needs money.
I am blind now on how to deal with this. I sought God and prayed for the situation and this kid.
But I need some brotherly and sisterly advice.
Thank you in advance.
And thank again to this forum and to the moderators for bearing with me when I was a wofer.
God used this forum to change my life and I am very grateful to you all the faithful contributors
that help me and others to consider the TRUTH!
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RE: My sister's son is satan's son - 11/2/2009 9:01:23 PM
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Gloryandgrace
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Hammer: This fellow seems to be living like a Son of Belial. Youre on the right track to keep your distance from this dead-conscienced person.
He is a train wreck waiting to happen and it will unless the grace and mercy of God intervenes.
Dont fall for the..."he's just a sinner like me"...or the "God can get to him"...or the "you shouldnt judge him" clap trap that some might put upon you.
Protecting your family from this monster is a wise thing to do.
God's grace is not hindered by the sinfulness of humanity. But our own weaknesses and suseptability to persons like this requires we take precautions. Your sister unfortunately has raised a monster, whether it be her fault or not, she is in harms way as well.
From the mercies of God come the barred cell that serves as a sanctuary to get some men to stop long enough to hear God's gospel. The community cannot live in peace if we permit the free-acts of criminals to remain unchecked. Your family cannot live in peace without you policing your own homefront. To be an effective man and an effective protector of your home, sternness, rebuke, warning, threatening are all apart of what it takes to love your own family as God loves his.
John
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RE: My sister's son is satan's son - 11/2/2009 10:28:37 PM
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ManimalX
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Does he claim to be a Christian? If he does or not doesn't actually mater much, because the result is the same: in the Bible, Paul explained how church discipline should work. Confront the person, and if they don't repent, confront the person with church leadership, and if they don't change, they get "excommunicated" (don't let the Roman lingo confuse you), which means he gets put out of the church. Paul explains why this is done: to deliver such a one to Satan for the "destruction of the flesh", so that the soul may be saved. Bottom line, if he has been confronted and hasn't repented, he get separated to learn a lesson.
If he ISN'T a Christian, you still don't have to allow him to abuse you. Loving action can include keeping the guy at arm's length. You don't have to be a doormat to love a person. Pray for him, offer him biblical advice, but don't allow him to abuse you. Insults we are told are no big deal (turn the other cheek), but physical abuse and danger we are NOT commanded to put up with.
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RE: My sister's son is satan's son - 11/3/2009 10:42:28 AM
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hammerandnails
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Thank you for your responses.
This child is raised in the church since he was 6.Now he is 19. The church that my sister belongs to is a WOF church. They only preach prosperity.
It is so sad to watch a christian child with those kind of values, and more disturbing is to see what the WOF church produce.
He professes that he is a christian and reads the word every day.
But I know that is not true.
Is all about his immage. it is all about what car he drives, how is dressed, and he is claiming and speaking "positive" words, if you know what I mean. Typical WOF household.
I am so grateful to be out of the WOF church, and be cleanesed of that mentality. Thanks be unto God.
I confronted him first in gentleness, but he blammed everybody else for what he did, never took responsability. Is someone elses fault! I got so mad, he was lying to my face. I lost my temper and I called him some names. He can drive you insane! And if you meet him for the first time, he is an angel. The perversity and the power of manipulation of this child exeeded any thing that I encountered in 46 years!
My sister refuses to answer the phone, and he never wanted to go to church with us here. So I cannot confront him any further. But he is not allowed in my house, or around my children.
That's the best that I can do for now. I was deeply disturbed by this for a while. I prayed for him and myself.
I don't know if I should insist to reach my sister. She won't answer the phone or any of the emails I sent her.
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RE: My sister's son is satan's son - 11/4/2009 11:58:08 AM
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It sounds like you've done what you can do. The only thing left is to continue to pray for him and your sister. I would suggest that you stop trying to contact your sister about this matter any further. Her son is an adult and his behavior really isn't her responsibility anymore. I'm sure she knows what her son is like anyway and his behavior is probably why he left home to come to Florida for a "visit".
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In the mean time, my sister and my brother in law are broke!!!
They borrowing money from my mom which is on disability!!
WOF is working well for them, eh?
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RE: My sister's son is satan's son - 11/4/2009 1:02:08 PM
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If you have proof of his behavior like grand theft auto, turn it in to the police and let them deal with him. You have done more than your share of trying to reach him.
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RE: My sister's son is satan's son - 11/4/2009 5:56:04 PM
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While I believe that WOF doctrine encourages materialism, I wouldn't necessarily blame his behavior (or most of it) on WOF. That is, unless it's the particular WOF your sister attends. Someone enabled this rascal. That is they rescued him from bad consequences earlier in his life. I hate to say this but it was probably one or both of the kid's parents.
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RE: My sister's son is Satan's son - 11/9/2009 11:59:18 PM
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navyblueret
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hammerandnails, Shalom.
Are you still living in Florida?? If So, R U N, quietly for the far country on the other side of the world; one that doesn't have GPS or telephone service.
Without verification, I can but presume that your ne-P.U. and Son are over 21? I would run, if I were you. Hurricane 'Hammerandnailsnephew' might just get you in the Who's-Who of Bonnie and Clyde Resurrected mothers and fathers, contest. Even if you lose the contest, you lose.
My first thought was Biblical, but it is still illegal to snuff a family member for False Prophecy. Should you truly not be able to become invisible, what you say you are doing is about as much as you can do, minimum.
One point worth noting, and pleasure to me, is, your nephew is not my nephew. Thank You.  One sad thing to worry about, however, is that there is a whole bunch more like that somewhere in the baby mill of life, which could make all Christians wonder why they are so against abortion. (Bad joke).
In Messiah. His Strength, Protection, and keeping 911 preprogrammed into your phone. Arley
PS: Hornet and Wasp spray is a better home weapon than Pepper Spray, as it has about a 30 ft range, and blinds the person until the hospital fixes them. You might need keep a couple handy, you know, in case a flight of Hornets want to move into the Living-Room, and kidnap your favorite TV show. 
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RE: My sister's son is Satan's son - 11/15/2009 11:39:12 PM
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michele_erin
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The thought that I had as I was reading your post was that you were simply setting healthy boundaries to protect you and your family -- and that is okay! I believe you did the right thing. Also, your sister obviously is not ready for communication, so you just have to wait and pray and allow the Lord to work on both of their hearts. This young man sounds dangerous and you do have to protect yourself.
Just because we are Christians doesn't mean we are doormats. You are doing the right thing -- I know its very hard, especially when its family, but you have to protect your family. God bless you!
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