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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/28/2009 12:19:14 PM
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jhuperetes
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I noticed there is little discussion of missionary works on CW. Is there some reason for this?
And to keep on topic, I am grateful to my Lord for not having to be on food stamps. It is a daily blessings, so helping those to be able to get off of it is important.
Back to one of my previous posts, "teach how to fish" is what most need, not just a fish...
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/28/2009 1:02:10 PM
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And sometimes a single mom is working 3 jobs but still depends on food stamps. Maybe she is so tired by the time she gets home and doesn't have the energy to make a full meal. Or maybe there's not enough time to cook a meal from scratch before the kids need to go to bed. Or maybe she'd like to get off food stamps but finds out that if she makes another $100 a month in income that not only will she be more tired but even though she won't actually bring home the full $100 month she will lose $100/month from her food stamps so she is actually LOSING money.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/28/2009 1:12:00 PM
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And sometimes a single mom is working 3 jobs but still depends on food
stamps. Maybe she is so tired by the time she gets home and doesn't have the energy to make a full meal. Or maybe there's not enough time to cook a meal from scratch before the kids need to go to bed. Or maybe she'd like to get off food stamps but finds out that if she makes another $100 a month in income that not only will she be more tired but even though she won't actually bring home the full $100 month she will lose $100/month from her food stamps so she is actually LOSING money.
Now this ^^^ I have witnessed many times.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/28/2009 1:15:58 PM
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And sometimes a single mom is working 3 jobs but still depends on food stamps. Maybe she is so tired by the time she gets home and doesn't have the energy to make a full meal. Or maybe there's not enough time to cook a meal from scratch before the kids need to go to bed. Or maybe she'd like to get off food stamps but finds out that if she makes another $100 a month in income that not only will she be more tired but even though she won't actually bring home the full $100 month she will lose $100/month from her food stamps so she is actually LOSING money.
And such is the nature of the Beast (Government dole) that tends to push folks down and is not designed to lift folks up. Once somone enters into the cavern of government freebies; it is near impossible to find a way back out.
But I feel that is by design; to keep folks depending on the govenment and to keep them voting the way the government wants them to vote.
Sad, but true.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/28/2009 1:26:02 PM
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ORIGINAL: zoebob
And sometimes a single mom is working 3 jobs but still depends on food
stamps. Maybe she is so tired by the time she gets home and doesn't have the energy to make a full meal. Or maybe there's not enough time to cook a meal from scratch before the kids need to go to bed. Or maybe she'd like to get off food stamps but finds out that if she makes another $100 a month in income that not only will she be more tired but even though she won't actually bring home the full $100 month she will lose $100/month from her food stamps so she is actually LOSING money.
Now this ^^^ I have witnessed many times.
Me too.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/28/2009 1:27:48 PM
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Or maybe she'd like to get off food stamps but finds out that if she makes another $100 a month in income that not only will she be more tired but even though she won't actually bring home the full $100 month she will lose $100/month from her food stamps so she is actually LOSING money.
Or possibly lose more than $100/month from food stamps.
When I was on assistance I sat down several times to figure out what I would have to earn in order to make up for the loss of food stamps and other benefits. I calculated that I would have had to earn at least double the minimum wage at the time just to break even. There just weren't any jobs like that available to me at that time. When I did finally enter full-time into the work force I found that my calculations were wrong. I underestimated what I needed. I was getting HUD housing at the time. Before I worked full time my portion of the rent was $56 a month. I mistakenly assumed that if my income doubled then my portion of the rent would double. Wrong. My portion was increased by more than 600%. And, our food stamps dropped from over $300 a month to $12, that's right...twelve dollars a month. That wasn't worth the time and gas to apply.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/28/2009 1:50:04 PM
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In the mid-90's I founded a Church in Arkansas and Pastored it for a couple of years. They, at that time at least, had a welfare system that was geared to helping folks improve themselves and get off the dole.
They gave free training classes to teach skills (nurses aids, plebotomy, data input, etc.), if someone found a better job the State would buy them decent clothes, shoes, uniforns, etc. to start that job, the cut in benefits was less that the increased income and continued to reduce only if income increased, but never as much as the increase.
The State would even pay half the price of a certified good used car, and saw that payments were affordable by the person. This they did for folks who made the effort to improve themselves and worked steady.
Overall it would seem this would be very expensive for the state, but overall it got a lot of folks completely off of welfare, and gave them jobs and a living status that the folks could be proud of.
I do hope that program is still in place.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/28/2009 1:57:19 PM
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laura...
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ORIGINAL: rcjames
In the mid-90's I founded a Church in Arkansas and Pastored it for a couple of years. They, at that time at least, had a welfare system that was geared to helping folks improve themselves and get off the dole.
They gave free training classes to teach skills (nurses aids, plebotomy, data input, etc.), if someone found a better job the State would buy them decent clothes, shoes, uniforns, etc. to start that job, the cut in benefits was less that the increased income and continued to reduce only if income increased, but never as much as the increase.
The State would even pay half the price of a certified good used car, and saw that payments were affordable by the person. This they did for folks who made the effort to improve themselves and worked steady.
Overall it would seem this would be very expensive for the state, but overall it got a lot of folks completely off of welfare, and gave them jobs and a living status that the folks could be proud of.
I do hope that program is still in place.
Thanks
RC
It would be great if such a program spread far and wide.
Realizing what a trap public assistance was, I did the best I could, while needing it, to actually receive as little of it as I could so that when I did get a job it wouldn't have as devastating an impact. Even so, it was extremely difficult.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/28/2009 4:55:44 PM
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I think a big problem to is they count your gross income, not your net. I just got paid, and they took 70.00 out of my check. Between what I make, and what my son can make at a job, we will not qualify, only because before taxes we make too much, but after, not enough to buy food.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/28/2009 5:06:37 PM
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ORIGINAL: rcjames
In the mid-90's I founded a Church in Arkansas and Pastored it for a couple of years. They, at that time at least, had a welfare system that was geared to helping folks improve themselves and get off the dole.
They gave free training classes to teach skills (nurses aids, plebotomy, data input, etc.), if someone found a better job the State would buy them decent clothes, shoes, uniforns, etc. to start that job, the cut in benefits was less that the increased income and continued to reduce only if income increased, but never as much as the increase.
The State would even pay half the price of a certified good used car, and saw that payments were affordable by the person. This they did for folks who made the effort to improve themselves and worked steady.
Overall it would seem this would be very expensive for the state, but overall it got a lot of folks completely off of welfare, and gave them jobs and a living status that the folks could be proud of. This sounds wonderful.
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FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their cart? - 10/28/2009 7:07:58 PM
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And sometimes a single mom is working 3 jobs but still depends on food
stamps. Maybe she is so tired by the time she gets home and doesn't have the energy to make a full meal. Or maybe there's not enough time to cook a meal from scratch before the kids need to go to bed. Or maybe she'd like to get off food stamps but finds out that if she makes another $100 a month in income that not only will she be more tired but even though she won't actually bring home the full $100 month she will lose $100/month from her food stamps so she is actually LOSING money.
Now this ^^^ I have witnessed many times.
I have too. I'm not crazy about gov't ran programs at all. However, rather than gripe about them, I'd rather be thankful that I live in a country where we do help each other out in this way. There are a lot of things that I hate to see my tax dollars paying for. Feeding humans is not one of those things.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/28/2009 9:28:23 PM
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jhuperetes
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I think we get often get jaded, and sometimes a few knocks of the reality hammer helps.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/31/2009 4:10:46 PM
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zoebob
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Electronic Benefits something
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I do have to say that I did learn that you can't automatically assume well dressed people aren't struggling financially while living there. I had friends who worked in the resort hotels and ended up laid off for a few months during a downturn. Due to the type of jobs they had they never looked like the cupboards were bare but they were barely making it and going hungry.
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