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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/26/2009 9:07:25 PM
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ladioffaith
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Oh my ... here comes the rush to judgement! WOOOSHHH!!!
We NEVER know the circumstances of people in line.
One time I was in line with somebody buying huge quantities of meat and canned goods ... they were preparing for a dinner for the needy.
Another time, I saw people guying lots of beverages ... they were getting ready for a youth festival.
Rarely do I ever see people getting multiple carts of anything. Maybe I'm just too busy to shop during prime time. But when I do, I notice they always make a point of mentioning why they are buying so much, as if I'm looking that closely at whether the card they swipe is an EBT or simply a debit card. Sad that it all comes down to this.
As for my friends on food stamps, I sometimes question their tendency to buy everything at the beginning of the month. But then I realize I often have a tendency to "overspend" as well. (For me, "overspending" means $45 worth of stuff ... all purchased on sale at an overall savings approaching 50 percent off!) And I also notice they are among the first to purchase Angel Food from my church ... which does not yet accept food stamps ... or purchase groceries for friends in need at the expense of their own households.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/26/2009 9:08:23 PM
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First I'd rather see the government get out of the welfare business. Let the churches do it. Since the government has taken over the function of the church, the government has replaced God
Second, if the government is going to continue distributing aid to those the government defines as qualified for services, make drug testing a requirement of receiving services.
Lastly, if the government is going to continue providing such services, items with no nutritional value should not be covered. The government expresses concern with the obesity epidemic and they want the citizenry to learn to make better choices, then limit the choices recipients can make.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/26/2009 9:12:35 PM
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Since the government has taken over the function of the church, the government has replaced God
The only reason the government has taken over is because the Church has laid down on the job - at least here in America. If we'd been doing our job, the government never would have taken over.
With regards to the OP -
I honestly have never seen someone buying things with food stamps, or any other form of government provision. Maybe I just don't know what to look for, I don't know.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/26/2009 9:23:40 PM
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In the other shoppers defense, RC, I have been known to do that occasionally. I buy a TON of soda, stock up and just refill my mini fridge when needed. I have a lot of teenagers in and out of my house and like to have a good supply of drinks and snacks for them.
Well evidently I did not do a good job of explaining how many cokes were bought. A mini fridge would not contain them, a full sized fridge would not hold them. I would take an honest guess and say maybe 600 to 800 cans (maybe a lot more) at 24 cans per case and three walmart shopping cart stacked full and underneath also.
If I was cynical, I would say the lady was going to trade them for cash at a store or bar somewhere.
Maybe she was doing a religious liquid fast. 
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One year I had to do some shopping for our county's 4-H fair. I probably bought about that much soda.
When I worked at Wal  Mart, I used to see people buying in bulk like that all the time, with out using ebt.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/26/2009 9:24:29 PM
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Since the government has taken over the function of the church, the government has replaced God
The only reason the government has taken over is because the Church has laid down on the job - at least here in America. If we'd been doing our job, the government never would have taken over.
With regards to the OP -
I honestly have never seen someone buying things with food stamps, or any other form of government provision. Maybe I just don't know what to look for, I don't know.
I agree.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/26/2009 9:34:34 PM
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WIC = Supplemental nutrition program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC)
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WIC provides Federal grants to States for supplemental foods, health care referrals, and nutrition education for low-income pregnant, breastfeeding, and non-breastfeeding postpartum women, and to infants and children up to age five who are found to be at nutritional risk.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/26/2009 11:08:22 PM
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It might be interesting to note that just about everyone in the military below the rank of E-5 can probably qualify for WIC benefits for their babies. I know my sister and her hubby took advantage of it when they had their first (who is now 19). It is an excellent program that pays for a LOT of formula and good things for growing young children to eat. Other than formula I think they are only allowed to by store brands of anything, not name brands.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/27/2009 12:55:51 AM
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Speaking only for myself, I was on food stamps (the EBT card, actually) a few years ago when I was broke and jobless, and there was a specific list of groceries and foods that I could buy and couldn't buy using the benefits. And being diabetic, most of what I bought was produce, canned meats and sliced chicken. It was humiliating at the time to apply for food stamps, but it was there when I needed it and I am thankful to the Lord for that safety net.
I can only guess that if anyone does go all out with fancy groceries, it may because their EBT card may be for cash assistance or general relief, which are not as restrictive as food stamps.
Even if others scam or abuse the system, and I have known people who have, it does me no good to get angry, steamed or ballistic about it; it eventually comes back to bite them in the form of broken homes, social worker calls, children taken away, convicted in the court system, and so forth. I am thankful my tax dollars paid for such services when I needed them the most, and leave it at that.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/27/2009 2:20:06 AM
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Even if others scam or abuse the system, and I have known people who have, it does me no good to get angry, steamed or ballistic about it; it eventually comes back to bite them in the form of broken homes, social worker calls, children taken away, convicted in the court system, and so forth.
When these"others" get bit, we all pay for that in addition to whatever was paid for while they were going about their scam. We all pay for the broken homes, the social workers and the foster care, the court system, the police protection, the probation officers. So called victimless crimes leave a trail of victims.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/27/2009 2:45:44 AM
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The only reason the government has taken over is because the Church has laid down on the job - at least here in America. If we'd been doing our job, the government never would have taken over.
I can't disagree with this. But, who is the church? Why is it that when "the church" learns of a need, referrals are made to government agencies? Once social workers become involved, the church will often get shoved out of the picture.
I've been a government employee for 20+ years. I've seen this far too often. A couple of years ago I had a woman whose probation I was supervising. As a result of her conviction and some mental health issues, she had an army of people assigned to provide her services. She began attending a church and the church was meeting her transportation needs. The social workers had a fit because they needed to be able to document how this service was being paid for. Then, I had social workers upset with me for suggesting that they get out of the way and let the church do what it's supposed to do.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/27/2009 6:37:55 AM
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well, if this was a couple years ago or whatever, i would have said yes... i would look at each item, and in my head go off on the person buying the items on food stamps for being a moron. but i think i'm making alot of progress in life as far as minding my own business... so much so that it really more just iritates me being around others who can't seem to do so :P so used to i got angry at people who did stupid stuff... now i just get angry at people who point out how stupid they perceiev otehr people to be... whatever... a quick story, then i'll get back on subject...
i really didnt start to notice how jaded i was until i started to get to know my mother in law. she is a fine person, but she has a very sour taste in her mouth from life. and she sees one thing a person does, and already knows their whole story. take for instance this teenage girl that my wife worked with. she was very 'boy crazy' if you will... and just because of that. that one thing of this girl likeing boys, MIL hypothesizes that this girl is loose, and has no morals. then the girls mom came in, and MIL said from meeting her she can already tell she is a druggie because of just how she talks. (could be... but whatever) then MIL saw from a disance one night this girl's mom outside a hotel with a baby and it was around midnight. so she comes by my wifes place of employment "i saw so & so's mom at a hotel, you KNOW she was there cause shes a prostitue. and she had a baby with her. i knew that girl had no morals! that HAS To be her kid. and now shes making her mom raise it. and you can bet your bottom line that her mom was there trying to score some drugs" all this from driving past a hotel. it just gets so sickening after a while. i'm just like "enough already. you don't know these people. just mind your own business!"
back to the op. if my wife and i did have kids, and push came to shove and we had to have foodstamps, the sad thing is if i were to go grocery shopping, i would be buying generic oats, cheese, cheap bread, stuff like that. just to make teh money last as far as possible... and i would break the benefit up into 4 parts, and do 1 part per week. just to make it last all month. if my wife were to go, she would be buyiong cases of pop, twinkies, ding dongs, doritos, cool-aid, and all this. so i can sympathise with these people who buy all this junk food... because my wife is still learning how to manage money, and how "coke is a luxury, not a privilage. we have water at the house. we don't need any hostess cakes either." and stuff like that. but i help her out though with grocery shopping, and theres other things she helps me with too that i can't seem to grasp.
this was a subject on the neal boortz show last night (i youtubed it... look it up "neal boortz segment food stamps" ) and he was ranting and raving about how people who use foodstamps are mooches and thiefs and what not. it was pretty intense. and he went to follow it up today with all the e-mails he receieved... and his follow up was even worse. so i'm sure about half the country now (or how ever many listen to him) are probably scared to even use food stamps now. but i'm getting to the point in life where its none of my business, and if they run out of help, they run out. its not my problem and i shouldnt waste any energy thinking about it.
and further education on WIC: i worked at walmart as a checker, and at that time (2006) wic was nothing more than a glorified grocery list. they are sent "blank checks" in the mail, and on these checks is printed their grocery list "1 loaf of generic white bread, 1 12 pack of generic eggs. 1 quart sized genereic can of baby formula, 3 blocks of generic cheese, 3 quart sized cans of generic fruit juics, 1 galon of generic milk" and so on. everyone has their own list on their checks, it changes for each person. and the list has to be followed to a t, or the register will not deduct that item from the cash owed. we ring up the charges, the register scans the check, and then deducts the items listed on their grocery list, and then i give them their new total sans items on WIC stub (say they bought beer with it too or clothes, or steak or something) and each check is usually only good for 1 week, and 1 week only "only good for july 7-july 15" so WIC is VERY closely monitored and organized. if someone is on WIC there is really no way to scam that system... unless they have no kids, and lied about THAT fact :P
< Message edited by keithyhuntington -- 10/27/2009 6:52:02 AM >
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/27/2009 8:59:24 AM
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Out of curiosity, how do you know someone if someone is using food stamps? Do you see them take it out of their purse and swipe with it, and you just know what it looks like? If so, how do you know what one looks like? Do you have to pay close attention to figure out whether they are using food stamps or not?
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/27/2009 9:11:58 AM
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In my state we get cards the look like debit cards, so one would have to be looking pretty close to tell if it was a food stamp card or not. That in and of itself gives alot of insight into those who are watching.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/27/2009 9:19:39 AM
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Out of curiosity, how do you know someone if someone is using food stamps? Do you see them take it out of their purse and swipe with it, and you just know what it looks like? If so, how do you know what one looks like? Do you have to pay close attention to figure out whether they are using food stamps or not?
according to some people, you just assume they are using foodstamps because of their clothes, attitude, and their grooming appearance.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/27/2009 9:23:00 AM
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according to some people, you just assume they are using foodstamps because of their clothes, attitude, and their grooming appearance.
 That's awful!
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FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their cart? - 10/27/2009 9:26:59 AM
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In my state we get cards the look like debit cards, so one would have to be looking pretty close to tell if it was a food stamp card or not. That in and of itself gives alot of insight into those who are watching.
That's true. Even as a cashier, I often didn't know if someone was paying by debit, credit or ebt. Even when the prompts came up, for us ebt and debit were done the same. So, you still didn't know if it was debit or ebt. I guess I should've assumed that everyone paying by debit was really paying by ebt. 
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/27/2009 9:34:32 AM
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"Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven."--Jesus, Matthew 18:10
Do you claim to follow Jesus and yet despise people for their situation or decisions? That's not yours to judge.
If you just believe there should be no assistance provided to people and want to make "choices" your "moral" point, take a look in the Book before posting your righteous judgment.
I went to a church where a man was hesitant to pray for a sick family because he had seen them check out at the store and thought they deserved to be sick for what they ate.
Not Biblical.
^^^ This entire post needs to be repeated.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/27/2009 9:42:26 AM
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And like I said, I buy a LOT in advance, and then refill my mini fridge when needed.
Also, there is the thought of receptions, gatherings, family reunions...stuff like that.
I remember for my cousins wedding his brother and I went to Sam's about bought a couple of those flat bed carts full of beer and soda. They were pretty full. Almost $1000 worth of beverages on that one trip alone. *shrug* quote:
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I remember years ago reading in Dear Abby about someone complaining that a woman in front of another in a check out line b0ought a huge birthday cake and paid with food stamps. The woman who bought the cake wrote back and said it may have been her. But here's why-
The daughter has cancer, and they get food stamps due to all the medical costs they incurred for her daughter's treatment, and as far as I remeber the mom couldn't work because of her illness. As for the cake, they got her a big nice one because more than likely it would be the daughter's last birthday. That's something to think about. Thank you Tink and Grace.
Who are we to deem ourselves as all-knowing when it comes to why someone is buying something? The adage of why not to assume is quite applicable in such instances.
It's also quite applicable when comparing how someone is dressed to what they are wearing. Appearances can be deceiving.
It's not any of my business what people are buying or how they pay. In fact, I don't even know what someone is buying or how they are paying; I've never considered it any of my business.
To take that further, I don't even know what any form of assistance looks like in regards to when someone is paying for their stuff.
. . . What about gift cards? Are people to be judged over what they're buying because they're using a gift card? Until the other day, I didn't even know that grocery stores had such things.
But . . . A client recently hired me for an unusual project; part of which involves my buying some stuff at the grocery store. To make things easier, they simply bought a "gift card" for the grocery store and gave it to me to use when I make their purchases. The stuff I will be buying is pretty pricey stuff.
I can see gift cards being used by individuals to give to someone they know who doesn't have money to buy food. I'm sure such cards are already being used for that purpose. Are people going to now start watching those purchases as well and then making up their own speculations and ensuing judgments against people using gift cards?
Actually . . . what about when people are paying in cash? How do we know the cash is money they've earned versus money they've been given? I've been given anonymous cash before.
What if that person in front of you buying that steak and paying for it with cash didn't earn that money but received it as a gift? Are we to judge him as well?
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/27/2009 9:47:45 AM
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I will say, it was hugely embarrassing to purchase WIC foods as a young teenager still in high school as people looked down their nose at me.
I did have one saving grace and will always remember it. I was in line and suddenly five people with FULL carts came up behind me. Each purchase took a while to make and I was using at least four coupons. I got flustered, messed up, the cashier had to start over, and then Thing 1 started bawling. I wanted to sit down and cry with him.
The couple behind me were so kind. The man gently asked if he could help and began organising my purchases and the woman picked up Thing 1 and started cooing. He settled down and she chatted with me about her colicky children (she saw his soy formula) and what worked with them. Her husband finished up my purchases, loaded up my cart and walked me out to my car.
They didn't know my circumstances, my situation, just that I was a scared teenager with a baby. It was pretty cool and 13 years later I still remember it vividly.
I have noticed I don't judge on how people are paying for things, but I do wonder as I look in carts and see lack of fresh veggies, and nothing but frozen dinners, sweets, and sodas. It makes me sad until my children are hounding me to buy them candy. 
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/27/2009 9:51:49 AM
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I can honestly say it used to annoy me.
Perhaps it's because of all the circumstances involved in it.
Like a woman all gussied up, wearing a fur coat (fake?), driving
a cadillac, and then whipping out a fist full of food stamps at the
check out counter.
That was decades ago. Today they have those cards.
Now, I basically don't care, it's none of my business as not enough
people will stand up at the voting booth to vote what is right instead
of what they will get out of it.
Now, today, I'm sure there will be more and more people using these
as the government has destroyed millions of jobs. I'm more mature
now, hopefully, so I don't get annoyed at all about all this. It is what it is.
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And that old saying, "The government took over because the church
laid down on the job" is a myth. The government just took over.
Now, many people aren't satisfied with the church helping them out,
they want more hand outs because the church owes them. well,
everyone owes them. Those are the moochers. Not those that need help.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/27/2009 10:00:25 AM
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Regarding educating people, I think it's a wonderful idea for people who are on assistance to be required to take mandatory classes on finances and other applicable "life issues" where perhaps some training would be of benefit to them. But, there's a caveat with that in that I think that the individual situations should be considered before requiring such classes to be taken. Sometimes people fall on hard times through outside circumstances and not through any of the "stereotypes" that are so often applied to people on assistance.
I also think less government involvement (and various programs) would be necessary if humanity as a whole looked out for their fellow human being more than is currently being done.
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On a different, but somewhat similar note of the OP . . . I cannot stand it when someone peaks into my grocery cart to survey what is in there. Or, worse yet, when someone makes comments about what they see.
I eat pretty healthily; the very vast majority of my shopping is done around the parameter of the store and not down the aisles.
I also spend more on food than other people do. That's really nobody's business to comment on; but people certainly do when they look in my cart and see what I'm buying. -OR- if I happen to be a little lax with what I'm buying and someone sees baking ingredients that I normally don't buy or some other not-often purchased "goodie". -OR- if someone is in Camp A about what is and is not considered healthy, and my idea of what is healthy doesn't line up with what their idea is. In any of these examples, such people usually will either then give me "the look" or make a snide comment to me about my purchases.
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Are people really that empty in their own lives that they have to go around and make themselves the grocery police? And do they really have that much time on their hands that they can even do this in the first place?
When I'm in line checking out, my mind is on a variety of things; all of them revolving around the rest of my day or perhaps thinking about a friend, etc. It doesn't occur to me to make it my business regarding the person in front of me, what they're buying and how they're paying for it.
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/27/2009 10:03:36 AM
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I will say, it was hugely embarrassing to purchase WIC foods as a young teenager still in high school as people looked down their nose at me.
I did have one saving grace and will always remember it. I was in line and suddenly five people with FULL carts came up behind me. Each purchase took a while to make and I was using at least four coupons. I got flustered, messed up, the cashier had to start over, and then Thing 1 started bawling. I wanted to sit down and cry with him.
The couple behind me were so kind. The man gently asked if he could help and began organising my purchases and the woman picked up Thing 1 and started cooing. He settled down and she chatted with me about her colicky children (she saw his soy formula) and what worked with them. Her husband finished up my purchases, loaded up my cart and walked me out to my car.
They didn't know my circumstances, my situation, just that I was a scared teenager with a baby. It was pretty cool and 13 years later I still remember it vividly. Very cool, Tink!
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RE: FOOD STAMPS - Do you second guess what's in their c... - 10/27/2009 10:04:44 AM
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Lapidoth
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quote:
When I'm in line checking out, my mind is on a variety of things;
My mind is usually on thinking "don't they train their check-outs any more?" LOL
No offense to you wonderful people who stand all day behind a register.
I used to sack groceries behind a lady whom checked everything manually and
it was all I could do to keep up with her sacking the groceries. And she never
made a mistake. Now we have all this electronic stuff and how many times do
we stand waiting for the what-you-call them to come correct an error. LOL.
And when the power went out, whew, I could not crank the register fast enough.
Now they lock down and you have to mill around the store (wally world). LOL
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