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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/26/2009 2:38:22 PM
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trelawrence
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I'd agree... cultural leanings might shape sermon deliverly.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/26/2009 5:28:54 PM
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I was taught that in public speaking you should be about 5X more enthusiastic and animated than you would be in private speaking or it does not come across. Speakers who project a lack of interest, passion or enthusiasm about what they are saying are not compelling and do not hold your interest.
I regularly sit under the teaching of two men who have very different styles but do occasionally holler a bit. One's favorite phrase is "ooh BABY", which in print does seem odd, but it works for him. eg "oooh BABY this is a great truth! this is just so exciting"
The other was a former pro football player and it seems to me that he would not want to be told that he got more excited about football than about church. A lot of his sermon intros do sound like a quarterback rallying the team before leaving a locker room. It's his style and it works for him.
Personally I cannot remember ever yelling while preaching, though if I'm making a point I'm sure my volume and pitch rise.
For those "TV style" crazy type shouters... I don't get it and I think it diminishes their message. I can only guess they fell into thinking that if a little excitement was good, more is better and even more even better yet. There is a point of diminishing returns and some have passed it.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/26/2009 10:19:19 PM
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I was taught in seminary that the message is more important than the style. Sometimes, if you listen carefully enough, you will find preachers with a traditional, emotional style whose messages are very liberal and other preachers with a calm, reasoned tone and a very conservative message.
I want the congregation to hear what I say, not how I say it. I find that if I am excited about a point I am making, that excitement comes through without theatrics. If I am simply going through the motions, that also comes through, even if the "motions" are extreme.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/27/2009 6:47:39 AM
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I was taught in seminary that the message is more important than the style. One of my all time favorite speakers was Derek Prince, now of blessed memory. He had been a professor of philosophy at Eaton College in England, and used that same lectionary style as he taught. Of course his scholarship and biblical soundness was rock solid.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/27/2009 9:13:41 AM
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I was taught in seminary that the message is more important than the style. One of my all time favorite speakers was Derek Prince, now of blessed memory. He had been a professor of philosophy at Eaton College in England, and used that same lectionary style as he taught. Of course his scholarship and biblical soundness was rock solid.
I would rather have truth than emotional hype any day (can't stand the yelling ~ I don't care what the message is..really..when yelling starts, I turn off)
Derek Prince has been and continues to be a major blessing in my life. I highly recommend "Blessing or Curse You can Choose" for those with ongoing issues in their Christian walk that cannot seem to be resolved.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/27/2009 10:03:00 AM
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I think it is cultural. My brother was taught to preach by the leaders of his then church and they are all very loud, very...boisterious preachers.
My normally mild mannered, calm brother started out yelling and screaming his messages.
Thank G-d my father sat him down and told him to try preaching more his style than someone else's. Since then my brother has toned it down and his church is flourishing. 
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/27/2009 10:20:13 AM
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Well, I can understand your question. But remember no matter the style, some people will not listen. But it's harder not to if the sermon is loud.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/27/2009 10:20:39 AM
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I know what you're sayin', C_M. I get weary of listening to that kind of preaching too. It has its place. . . but its place is determined by the Spirit, not by me or the preacher. 
I am a passionate person. And when I express myself in conversation, sometimes my husband will tell me I'm 'yelling' at him. My perception is NOT that I am yelling. But when I'm expressing something I feel strongly about, obviously my voice raises. I'm oblivious. He's not.
I want to be passionate about Jesus. I want to be passionate about the things He's passionate about. I hope I sound like Him. That's my prayer.
Another good question, C_M.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/27/2009 11:37:08 AM
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Hi,
Im new here to this forum. As I was looking through, I came across your post. I feel the same way you do about your voice rising but you are not yelling. I believe in the whloe counsel of The Word of God and if your not preaching that then my voice tends to raise.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/28/2009 11:43:33 AM
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It was interesting.
Some friends from my home town visited me in college and heard our sr pastor speak. He was a friend of Derek Prince, and also previously a college prof. So he spoke with a kind of academic lecture style. They were very disappointed that they did not hear any "real preachin', meaning screaming and hollering.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/28/2009 11:55:42 AM
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I haven't read the replies................so,
I call it TECHNIQUE.
Some preachers I hear I nudge the wife and whisper.........
(there's that seminary dance).
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/28/2009 1:01:59 PM
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Well, I have taken a few years of speech -- not preacher speech by any means, but speech -- and I understand the ebb and flow of speaking, but screaming in what looks like rage! That is what is puzzling to me. It looks like loss of personal control -- in many areas of the speaker's life.
For myself, when someone starts raging like that, I completely turn them off. In fact, I would get up and leave, not subjecting myself to that kind of abuse. I don't have to hear that, and I don't hear it. There needs to be respect for both the congregation and the speaker, and screaming removes all respect. If the speaker respected the congregation, s/he would not be screaming at them.
Animated? No problem! Singing your sermon with congregational responses? Again, no problem. Just don't belittle your congregation by screaming at them.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/28/2009 2:39:30 PM
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I sometimes get very passionate about what I am teacing, but do not resort to 'Screaming".
I do use a lot of tonal and volumn changes, but they are for emphasis and keeping the attention of the congregants. I do believe that monotone speakers do delivering the Gospel a great injustice.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/28/2009 3:18:33 PM
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Since we havent named any names so we can give one another a reference point, Its very hard to agree or disagree with any of you. What is loud, sharp or confrontational may not be to me. My pastor considers himself very confrontatiive and sharp to the congregation at times, I give him about a 3 on a scale of 1 to ten, ten being really confrontative and loud.
I personally cannot stand mealy mouth, talk-givers, dispassionate sermonizers that are afraid of their own shadow. Some wont speak up because they will get called down by the goat-team. Now, yell all you want at your football team, but God forbid someone behind the pulpit might get passionate loud and insistant about eternal things! Preaching is not meant to be a dispassionate lecture on some bible verse. Preaching is not weak kneed cowards who know that the loudest and meanest goats will complain, email and schedule meetings with the pastor to 'stop this loud unnecessary banter'.
Its rare that the sheep will complain about loud passionate sermons. But the goats, they are dead while they live and hate it when some preacher might actually wake them up from their spiritual comas.
Yes, I know loud is not the same as anointed, but neither is calm, smooth and funny.
To often the sermons are done in a way that will not ruffle the hair on the goats, the lowest common point is where we attempt to set the bar.
I say to hell with them, feed the sheep, thats what Jesus said. Now some nay-sayer is going to say.."volumn is not feeding". I say Volumn and passion express whats deep in a mans heart. Maybe the man is excited about what God gave him. Maybe feedings are meant to bring peace of heart from a man whos heart burns with fire and zeal.
Ill take zeal and fire any day over bland, friendly and funny.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/28/2009 3:31:41 PM
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Ill take zeal and fire any day over bland, friendly and funny.
When it comes to the message over the messenger, I'll take substance delivered quietly over drivel delivered shouting and jumping.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/28/2009 8:35:19 PM
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...he spoke with a kind of academic lecture style...
Lecturing or monotone is just a bad as shouting. The listeners need to be able to hear the preacher talking to them as individuals, because it should be God's message spoke to the heart.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/29/2009 12:29:19 AM
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I sometimes get very passionate about what I am teacing, but do not resort to 'Screaming".
I do use a lot of tonal and volumn changes, but they are for emphasis and keeping the attention of the congregants. I do believe that monotone speakers do delivering the Gospel a great injustice.
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Yeah, I can't imagine you screaming at your congregation. Passionate, yes; screaming? Uh, no!
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/29/2009 12:32:19 AM
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Ill take zeal and fire any day over bland, friendly and funny.
When it comes to the message over the messenger, I'll take substance delivered quietly over drivel delivered shouting and jumping.
As a teen, I went to a friend's church, and her father was a yeller (as compared to screamer), pulpit-circler, aisle-runner, pew-slapper, hollerer, whooper, shaker. Scared me to death. I thought he was going to hit me next. But I was aware enough to recognize that there was absolutely NO substance in the sermon -- none at all. No kidding.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/29/2009 10:39:43 AM
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Different people respond to different output methods.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/29/2009 1:11:25 PM
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Ill take zeal and fire any day over bland, friendly and funny.
I heard a tape of a set of messages recorded back in the late '60s at some pentecostal conference. One of the speakers was Derek Prince, whose style I have described earlier. His brittish accent was a bit more pointed than I was used to, but hearing him live had another decade of living in the US, which softened the accent noticabley.
Now the other speaker on the tape was much more "interesting" in his style. He had lots of 'zeal' and 'fire.' His message sounded very biblical. However, I could not really pay him any attention as I knew where he ended up.
His name? Jim Jones.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/29/2009 10:48:41 PM
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I think it just depends. If you can stand it and you can learn, I don't see too much of a problem. Some churches have their music so loud you lose your hearing--I guess its just preference and what you can or can't stand. 
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/29/2009 11:05:37 PM
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Keeps folks from falling asleep. lol
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/29/2009 11:41:17 PM
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in my experience it's very cultural. my father grew up in a tabernacle of God church, and they're very, very ... screamy. when my dad became a pastor, he definitely developed a "pastor voice" -- I think they call it hermaneutics in bible college -- but dropped the a lot of the over-the-top stuff to fit in with the more conservative Baptist church that he pastored. now my dad pastors at a non-denominational church with a laid-back atmosphere. he has changed his style to be a bit more conversational and less "pastory," but that doesn't mean he doesn't speak with conviction. in most churches where I'm from, however, you're going to find pastors that get very loud and start adding "ah-HEH" at the ends of their phrases (Ray Stevens pretty much nailed it on the head with "The Dooright Family"). it's a style.
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For myself, when someone starts raging like that, I completely turn them off. In fact, I would get up and leave, not subjecting myself to that kind of abuse. I don't have to hear that, and I don't hear it. There needs to be respect for both the congregation and the speaker, and screaming removes all respect. If the speaker respected the congregation, s/he would not be screaming at them.
I completely agree. I find that usually, when a speaker does go that route, they are simply trying to manipulate emotions. frequently there is not much substance to what they're actually saying, but they want you to get emotional/riled up/"convicted" along with them, because to them a "good service" means unsettling their listeners. it is not about actually challenging the hearer with the truth of the word of God, it's about getting a visible response from the audience. I really have a problem with this method of speaking. conveying that an emotional reaction is the "right" reaction (i.e., if you're in tune with God, my shouting is going to get you going! and if you're not in tune with God, my shouting is going to bring you there!) promotes false spirituality rather than actual life change, in my opinion. yelling amen or crying or whatever is easy enough in that setting; obeying the spirit in your day-to-day life is frequently difficult.
before I get yelled at: I don't have a problem with speaking in an animated way (with conviction!), or responding in an emotional way. sometimes God leads us to these things. I do have a problem with yelling/screaming in an affected "preacher voice" and expecting an emotional response as if these things are sure signs of God working.
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RE: Why do some preachers scream, yell, holler in their... - 10/30/2009 12:11:43 AM
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I used listen to Gilbert Patterson, the COGIC pastor that past on within a couple of years. His style was gripping, the messages were good to great. I enjoy many ministers who have that timing thing down.
I come from the Pentecostals. We believe in "being anointed" during the preaching, being led and guided by the Holy Ghost. I haven't seen screaming but I have seen loud. Hay, when the house is shouting the roof off, sometimes you have to get loud, but not screaming. Remember, most churches, tent meetings, brush arbors and the like didn't have PA systems that were on par with the House of Blues(or had people knowing how to run the equipment). The first church I went to had a 80watt Pevey head, three microphones, and some real cheap speakers sitting on the platform. Those in the front row went deaf and those in the back couldn't hear. We have come a long way.
I have seen preachers dance on folding chair backs without tipping over a one. I have watched a rabbi dance at a wedding with the same keen balance. Must be how joyous and excited you get inside about knowing your G d that it gets outside. I will also say that there is a lot of fake up out there.
Really, I have sat(stood, shouted, raised my hands in approval) listening to an "anointed" minister with an excellent message for an hour and a half to 2 hours. Usually, I can't sit for 20, let alone 30 minutes. When it's good, its good. There are some speakers out there that are a sure cure for sleeplessness. They may have a good message, but the presentation is a killer.
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