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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/3/2009 10:42:47 AM
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huangshan
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So Bush taking swipes at MSNBC was equally ill judged?
Yes
...and yet no one was up in arms about it...
...and conservative commentator Cal Thomas seemed quite pleased with it...
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/3/2009 3:19:07 PM
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tacitus
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Wow, I never thought I'd see the day that I got tired of Glenn Beck, but this post is sure doing it for me.
And no, Bush never sought to discredit MSNBC as not being a legit news source, nor did he encourage other networks "not to follow their lead", etc....
Yeah, right....
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Mr. Capus, I'm sure you don't want people to conclude that there is really no distinction between the "news" as reported on NBC and the "opinion" as reported on MSNBC, despite the increasing blurring of those lines. I welcome your response to this letter, and hope it is one that reassures your broadcast network's viewers that blatantly partisan talk show hosts like Christopher Matthews and Keith Olbermann at MSNBC don't hold editorial sway over the NBC network news division.
Sincerely,
Ed Gillespie
Counselor to the President
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/gillespies_letter_to_nbc_news.html
And from Perino's press briefing the next day:
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MIKE EMANUEL [Fox News correspondent]: On the back-and-forth between you guys and NBC News, one of the issues Ed Gillespie brings up is NBC calling Iraq a civil war for a period, and then Ed notes that it stopped around September of 2007. Then Ed asks in his exchange with NBC, "Will the network publicly declare the civil war has ended, or that it was wrong to declare it in the first place?" I'm wondering if you guys have gotten a response on that matter, and if not, are you still calling for a response from NBC?
MS. PERINO: We have not heard back from them on that specific matter. We anxiously await any response that we would get on it. But I think it's quite telling that they have been silent.
The reason that we sent the letter yesterday is because we had gotten fed up with the way that the President's policies are being mischaracterized, or the situations on the ground weren't being accurately reflected in the reporting. We had complained before. And it just reached a boiling point when things had boiled over when we believed that NBC News specifically edited out -- intentionally edited out -- something that the President said in response to a question in an interview regarding Iran, and that it mischaracterized the whole interview because of it.
As regards the civil war, I remember very distinctly how there was quite the pomp and circumstance when NBC, on the Today Show, decided to declare -- that they were declaring that Iraq was a civil war. But since then, after the surge and things certainly improved in Iraq, NBC has never had a corresponding ceremony to say that Iraq is not in a civil war. I was just curious to find out what they believe.
Perino also admitted that they "didn't do much with MSNBC towards the end" (i.e. they froze them out). Bush also never gave a single interview to the New York Times, not even in the aftermath of 9/11, where New York City was so terribly affected.
So let's give up this silly notion that Obama is doing something that no other president has done.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/3/2009 3:49:48 PM
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huangshan
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Ah, yes. Hypocrisy.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/3/2009 3:53:46 PM
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If you say so
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/3/2009 4:27:56 PM
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Yeah, right....
Oh, my! I am so incredibly injured by the superior wordplay evident in this response....I guess I'll have to deal with the Jerry Spring staple "whatever" next....
As I've said, Presidents can grant interviews to whomever they wish, and likewise decline. But that's far different from actively seeking to isolate and discredit them as the Chosen One is doing with Fox.
As much as I despise the liberal press, I have to hand it to them for stepping up in defense of Fox....
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/3/2009 4:50:29 PM
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Perino also admitted that they "didn't do much with MSNBC towards the end" (i.e. they froze them out). Bush also never gave a single interview to the New York Times, not even in the aftermath of 9/11, where New York City was so terribly affected.
So let's give up this silly notion that Obama is doing something that no other president has done.
We are not talking about Obama's freezing out of Fox as far as not granting them interviews rather the administration's claim that Fox is not a valid news organization and attempting to prevent them from partaking in the press corps coverage. Big distinction.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/3/2009 5:24:52 PM
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If you say so
Obama does something, it's the end of the world, trampling on the constitution, anti-free-speech...
Bush did the same thing, it's "well, nobody watches MSNBC so who cares?"
I gotcha. The grievances are partisan.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/3/2009 5:32:57 PM
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Rockwall
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Of course the other mainstream media networks are not biased.
For example:
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Chris Matthews: Religious Right In America Resembles The Taliban
MATTHEWS: That's not fair. The group in this country that most resembles the Taliban, ironically, is the religious right.
LINK 1
No hint of bias there.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/3/2009 5:36:08 PM
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huangshan
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Of course the other mainstream media networks are not biased.
For example:
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Chris Matthews: Religious Right In America Resembles The Taliban
MATTHEWS: That's not fair. The group in this country that most resembles the Taliban, ironically, is the religious right.
LINK 1
No hint of bias there.
Has anyone been arguing that other networks are not biased?
Really.
I haven't seen anyone suggest anything of the sort.
So I wonder why people keep bringing it up.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/3/2009 7:17:44 PM
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If you say so
Obama does something, it's the end of the world, trampling on the constitution, anti-free-speech...
Bush did the same thing, it's "well, nobody watches MSNBC so who cares?"
Well except the fact that the two incidents were not the same at all. Bush did not say that MSNBC was not a part of the press, Bush did not deny any of the members of the press corps access to the news briefings, Bush just didn't give as much access to those who trashed him. And the Bush administrations response to the NBC issues was to confront specific issues and do it in a respectful fashion.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/3/2009 8:02:10 PM
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Perino also admitted that they "didn't do much with MSNBC towards the end" (i.e. they froze them out). Bush also never gave a single interview to the New York Times, not even in the aftermath of 9/11, where New York City was so terribly affected.
So let's give up this silly notion that Obama is doing something that no other president has done.
We are not talking about Obama's freezing out of Fox as far as not granting them interviews rather the administration's claim that Fox is not a valid news organization and attempting to prevent them from partaking in the press corps coverage. Big distinction.
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So let's give up this silly notion that Obama is doing something that no other president has done.
Here it is in principal...
John
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If you were of the world, the world would love its own.
Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, ....
>Therefore.... the world hates you. = Obama's freezing out of Fox... and Bush never giving a single interview to the New York Times are one in the same and = is Because Obama and the NY Times loves its own =the world
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/3/2009 8:22:01 PM
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_jjp_
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Ah, yes, they used different words to do the same thing.
Bush never made a claim that MSNBC or NBC were not a part of the press did he?
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So Bush didn't deny access... he just denied some access?
I think I understand now.
I don't think you do. As others have stated, not giving interviews is a different animal than denying access to a media outlet which has paid into the press corps pool. That coupled with Obama's team coming out and claiming that Fox is not a part of the press makes it a much different animal than the Bush administration addressing a specific complaint.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 2:54:17 AM
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tacitus
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As far as I can recall, MSNBC never organized and heavily promoted protests against the Bush administration. If they had done, I have no doubt that Bush would have retaliated and I have absolutely no doubt that people around here would have been cheering him on every step of the way.
So, yeah, hypocrisy.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 4:18:56 AM
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jaymai
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Ah, yes, they used different words to do the same thing.
Bush never made a claim that MSNBC or NBC were not a part of the press did he?
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So Bush didn't deny access... he just denied some access?
I think I understand now.
I don't think you do. As others have stated, not giving interviews is a different animal than denying access to a media outlet which has paid into the press corps pool. That coupled with Obama's team coming out and claiming that Fox is not a part of the press makes it a much different animal than the Bush administration addressing a specific complaint.
Yeah. It's like the difference between me ignoring my wife while I'm watching a football game on TV, or just not allowing her in the room. I guess ignoring her is not nearly as bad. Of course if I don't allow her in the room, I can always apologize later on and say I didn't know the room was locked and couldn't hear her knocking. 
Seriously though. I know the incidents were different, but I still don't see how what Obama did so, so, so much worse than what Bush did? Or any other president would have done if they were being incessantly attacked and their positions distorted (in their opinion) unfairly by one organization?
As far as the "accusation" that Fox news is not part of the press...well, so what? Does anyone seriously think that's going to hurt them? It's like some Wendy's representative saying that McDonalds uses frozen meat. People like what they like and right now, the majority of people who watch news in prime time (as opposed to the quadzillions of others who watch other things or don't watch TV at all), like Fox better.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 6:00:24 AM
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As far as I can recall, MSNBC never organized and heavily promoted protests against the Bush administration. If they had done, I have no doubt that Bush would have retaliated and I have absolutely no doubt that people around here would have been cheering him on every step of the way.
So, yeah, hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy based on a hypothetical? That clears the water doesn't it?
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 6:06:11 AM
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Seriously though. I know the incidents were different, but I still don't see how what Obama did so, so, so much worse than what Bush did? Or any other president would have done if they were being incessantly attacked and their positions distorted (in their opinion) unfairly by one organization?
Fox foots part of the bill for the press corps coverage and Obama wanted to deny them access to a press corps event even though they pay. Bush never did that he just didn't give one on one interviews with them. I don't care that Obama doesn't give interviews with Fox, he would be a fool to do so but to attempt to prevent them having access to a press corps event was well beyond anything Bush did.
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As far as the "accusation" that Fox news is not part of the press...well, so what? Does anyone seriously think that's going to hurt them? It's like some Wendy's representative saying that McDonalds uses frozen meat. People like what they like and right now, the majority of people who watch news in prime time (as opposed to the quadzillions of others who watch other things or don't watch TV at all), like Fox better.
So you would have no problem with the Obama adminsitration claiming that your chosen denomination wasn't a real religious organization? I mean those who choose that denomination aren't going to switch denominations so who cares?
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 8:48:35 AM
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If you say so
Obama does something, it's the end of the world, trampling on the constitution, anti-free-speech...
Bush did the same thing, it's "well, nobody watches MSNBC so who cares?"
I gotcha. The grievances are partisan.
You really don't get it, do you? Bush never set out to single out and try to discredit a specific news agency.
Your Obama-colored glasses are getting fogged up!
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 9:13:11 AM
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And please don't misunderstand....I want Obama to keep up his anti-Fox tirade...it's doing wonders for Fox's ratings!
Not to mention that it demonstrates beyond all doubt what a shallow, egocentric little man we now have in our White House.....
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 10:14:49 AM
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Obama did something -
His (so far) unsuccessful attempt to freeze out Fox News as a legitimate news organization when granting interviews.
His attempts to de-legitimize Fox News.
That goes way beyond "well, nobody watches MSNBC so who cares?"
He took over General Motors and Chrysler. Where in the Constitution is there anything that gave him the right to do that?
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If you say so
Obama does something, it's the end of the world, trampling on the constitution, anti-free-speech...
Bush did the same thing, it's "well, nobody watches MSNBC so who cares?"
I gotcha. The grievances are partisan.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 10:23:38 AM
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davemiller7
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Are there such things as non-partisan grievances? Besides, what is wrong with partisanship? In very serious matters, it isn't necessarily "can't we all just get along." People have differences of opinions and will have until the end of time.
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I gotcha. The grievances are partisan.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 10:34:08 AM
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tafkam
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He took over General Motors and Chrysler. Where in the Constitution is there anything that gave him the right to do that?
For that matter, where in the Constitution does it grant government the right to force people to buy a certain product (healthcare)?
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