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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 3:06:30 AM
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ManimalX
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The point isn't whether or not Mao wrote or spoke a few sensible things here or there. The point is that Ms. Dunn claims that he is one of her two favorite philosophers and a person whose philosophy she turns to most. That isn't a quote here or there, that is an influence and hero.
It isn't hard to see this.
Oh, wait. We are just "quotemining". 
Because, as we all know, we should NEVER hold a liberal accountable for the words that came out of their mouths! I mean, tomorrow they will just have a different belief anyway, so what's the point, right?
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 5:33:02 AM
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The point isn't whether or not Mao wrote or spoke a few sensible things here or there. The point is that Ms. Dunn claims that he is one of her two favorite philosophers and a person whose philosophy she turns to most. That isn't a quote here or there, that is an influence and hero.
Nietzsche is one of my favorite philosophers, but I don't think he was particularly right a lot of the time. He just had a way with words. He's not an influence or a hero. If I have an influence or a hero I'll say influence and hero. As I noted earlier, she may have been joking anyways.
She also didn't say she turns to Mao's philosophy most. That's a textbook quotemine you just pulled. Watch the video again and don't make stuff up.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 9:24:30 AM
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Mao was an awful person and an awful leader of a country, but he was pretty smart with warring and revolutioning and had a lot of endurance.
I think that, given the context and her explanation, that woman isn't advocating Maoism or anything like it.
It is certainly correct that Mao was smart with warring. During WWII, he hung back and let the armies of Chiang Kai Shek do most of the heavy lifting beating back the Japanese. Then when the Japanese were beat, Mao pounced on Kai Shek and defeated him. But of course, revolutionary Marxists have never been known for being honorable.
But I disagree with your point about Mao having "endurance". It is easy to have "endurance" when you have thousands and millions of slaves at your beck and call. When George Washington and his men were surviving the winter at Valley Forge, now THAT took endurance because Washington was there with his men, suffering with them. (By the way, why is it that leftists like Anita Dunne never cite George Washington as being one of their role models or heroes?).
And of course, it wasn't Chairman Mao who personally endured the rigors and hardships of "The Long March", that was endured by his followers.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 12:29:47 PM
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The point isn't whether or not Mao wrote or spoke a few sensible things here or there. The point is that Ms. Dunn claims that he is one of her two favorite philosophers and a person whose philosophy she turns to most. That isn't a quote here or there, that is an influence and hero.
Nietzsche is one of my favorite philosophers, but I don't think he was particularly right a lot of the time. He just had a way with words. He's not an influence or a hero. If I have an influence or a hero I'll say influence and hero. As I noted earlier, she may have been joking anyways.
Juan Williams, NPR reporter and commentator, was part of a news panel talking about Miss Dunn's comments about Mao. He said if you watch the entire video she isn't joking but serious about Mao being her hero.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 1:02:03 PM
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Mao was an awful person and an awful leader of a country, but he was pretty smart with warring and revolutioning and had a lot of endurance.
I think that, given the context and her explanation, that woman isn't advocating Maoism or anything like it.
But I disagree with your point about Mao having "endurance". It is easy to have "endurance" when you have thousands and millions of slaves at your beck and call. When George Washington and his men were surviving the winter at Valley Forge, now THAT took endurance because Washington was there with his men, suffering with them. (By the way, why is it that leftists like Anita Dunne never cite George Washington as being one of their role models or heroes?).
And of course, it wasn't Chairman Mao who personally endured the rigors and hardships of "The Long March", that was endured by his followers.
Mao was essentially deposed for a time from about 1962 until the start of the Cultural Revolution. He had to work his way back into real power. He also participated in the Long March, which is where he originally rose to power.
So, yeah, endurance.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 1:06:27 PM
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The point isn't whether or not Mao wrote or spoke a few sensible things here or there. The point is that Ms. Dunn claims that he is one of her two favorite philosophers and a person whose philosophy she turns to most. That isn't a quote here or there, that is an influence and hero.
Nietzsche is one of my favorite philosophers, but I don't think he was particularly right a lot of the time. He just had a way with words. He's not an influence or a hero. If I have an influence or a hero I'll say influence and hero. As I noted earlier, she may have been joking anyways.
Juan Williams, NPR reporter and commentator, was part of a news panel talking about Miss Dunn's comments about Mao. He said if you watch the entire video she isn't joking but serious about Mao being her hero.
When did she say he's her hero?
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 1:17:07 PM
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No he said it was obvious watching the entire video she was serious about her admiration, etc. She wasn't joking or being funny or ironic.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 1:28:48 PM
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No he said it was obvious watching the entire video she was serious about her admiration, etc. She wasn't joking or being funny or ironic.
The only thing she said about admiration is that he and Mother Theresa are two of her favorite political philosophers. Then she gave a good explanation for why.
Is Mother Theresa really a political philosopher?
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 1:31:38 PM
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If Mother Teresa was a political philosopher it would be a surprise to me.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 1:42:36 PM
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If Mother Teresa was a political philosopher it would be a surprise to me.
..and as such I have to wonder at the seriousness of her comment.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 1:57:22 PM
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Just remember that some folks see any comments on morality or events of the day as political.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 2:45:17 PM
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...so the Fox witch hunt continues. ....sigh.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 4:40:01 PM
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If the Republicans want to follow Glenn Beck's lead, then--as a liberal--I am all for it!
BTW: John McCain has been known to quote Mao favorably too. But then, most of you already thought he was a commie too.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 4:43:48 PM
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Marcus.
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No, just a RINO like all the Neo-cons.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 8:38:15 PM
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Hey, Hitler's blitzkrieg was beyond brilliant. Anybody want your high schooler to hear someone extoll his philosophical virtues, even in jest?
The woman wasn't joking, she's just ignorant (or at least I hope so). Let's not lose sight of this, especially you libs that want to avoid this obviously troubling window into the liberal mind by focusing on who broke the story.
Ms. Dunn was speaking to high school students at their graduation (I hear it was Al Gore's old school, BTW). A graduation speaker is charged with giving the grads words of inspiration and wisdom to take with them as they enter adult life.
Even if she was joking, Mao should be the LAST person in the world you joke about. But he isn't, is he? Just that fact alone gives light to the moral relativism and hypocrisy of the liberal mind, and would explain her giving no thought to the impact of citing Mao as a favorite philosopher.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 9:01:59 PM
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The woman wasn't joking, she's just ignorant (or at least I hope so). Let's not lose sight of this, especially you libs that want to avoid this obviously troubling window into the liberal mind by focusing on who broke the story.
Ms. Dunn was speaking to high school students at their graduation (I hear it was Al Gore's old school, BTW). A graduation speaker is charged with giving the grads words of inspiration and wisdom to take with them as they enter adult life.
Even if she was joking, Mao should be the LAST person in the world you joke about. But he isn't, is he? Just that fact alone gives light to the moral relativism and hypocrisy of the liberal mind, and would explain her giving no thought to the impact of citing Mao as a favorite philosopher.
So... what was the ignorance that she was espousing? What was the bad stuff that she was saying?
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 9:40:00 PM
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The woman wasn't joking, she's just ignorant (or at least I hope so). Let's not lose sight of this, especially you libs that want to avoid this obviously troubling window into the liberal mind by focusing on who broke the story.
Ms. Dunn was speaking to high school students at their graduation (I hear it was Al Gore's old school, BTW). A graduation speaker is charged with giving the grads words of inspiration and wisdom to take with them as they enter adult life.
Even if she was joking, Mao should be the LAST person in the world you joke about. But he isn't, is he? Just that fact alone gives light to the moral relativism and hypocrisy of the liberal mind, and would explain her giving no thought to the impact of citing Mao as a favorite philosopher.
So... what was the ignorance that she was espousing? What was the bad stuff that she was saying?
She's ignorant of what Mao really did, I suspect. Or, as I said, I hope she is. If not, we have a major figure in Obama's election and administration that gives honor to the political philosophy of the most brutal and despotic man in history. By saying that somehow a politically shrewed leader, who used that attribute to carry out unbelievable atrocities, is on a par with Mother Theresa and should be looked to for life inspiration, she gives alarming evidence about what is considered acceptable in Obama's inner circle.
This woman is beyond radical, as are so many of Obama's political appointees and allies.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 10:48:23 PM
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The woman wasn't joking, she's just ignorant (or at least I hope so). Let's not lose sight of this, especially you libs that want to avoid this obviously troubling window into the liberal mind by focusing on who broke the story.
Ms. Dunn was speaking to high school students at their graduation (I hear it was Al Gore's old school, BTW). A graduation speaker is charged with giving the grads words of inspiration and wisdom to take with them as they enter adult life.
Even if she was joking, Mao should be the LAST person in the world you joke about. But he isn't, is he? Just that fact alone gives light to the moral relativism and hypocrisy of the liberal mind, and would explain her giving no thought to the impact of citing Mao as a favorite philosopher.
So... what was the ignorance that she was espousing? What was the bad stuff that she was saying?
She's ignorant of what Mao really did, I suspect. Or, as I said, I hope she is. If not, we have a major figure in Obama's election and administration that gives honor to the political philosophy of the most brutal and despotic man in history. By saying that somehow a politically shrewed leader, who used that attribute to carry out unbelievable atrocities, is on a par with Mother Theresa and should be looked to for life inspiration, she gives alarming evidence about what is considered acceptable in Obama's inner circle.
This woman is beyond radical, as are so many of Obama's political appointees and allies.
How is she honoring Mao's political philosophy? She compared his political philosophy to Mother Theresa, hardly a political philosopher herself.
Is there something wrong with the actual content of what she said? 'Cause this looks a lot like guilt by association. Dunn didn't actually advocate atrocities, Maoism, Marxism, or anything else along those lines. She extracted a message that both Mao and Mother Theresa espoused. What's wrong with that?
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/18/2009 11:02:33 PM
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I should add, your fake quote in the title of this thread is a real honest framing of this discussion.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 12:25:39 AM
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I should add, your fake quote in the title of this thread is a real honest framing of this discussion.
Actually, I'll grant you that. I had intended to change the wording when I re-read the article, but didn't. Point for huangshan.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 12:34:22 AM
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How is she honoring Mao's political philosophy? She compared his political philosophy to Mother Theresa, hardly a political philosopher herself.
Is there something wrong with the actual content of what she said? 'Cause this looks a lot like guilt by association. Dunn didn't actually advocate atrocities, Maoism, Marxism, or anything else along those lines. She extracted a message that both Mao and Mother Theresa espoused. What's wrong with that?
She said he was one of her two FAVORITE political philosophers. Mother Theresa wasn't political, but Mao absolutely was, and was the very embodiment of the evils of Communism. Just linking him philosophically to a saintly person is outrageous enough, but to take him as a personal favorite? Anyone who can't make a moral judgement on that association, I fear, is just as morally blinded by relativism and ideology as Dunn is.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 1:03:54 AM
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How is she honoring Mao's political philosophy? She compared his political philosophy to Mother Theresa, hardly a political philosopher herself.
Is there something wrong with the actual content of what she said? 'Cause this looks a lot like guilt by association. Dunn didn't actually advocate atrocities, Maoism, Marxism, or anything else along those lines. She extracted a message that both Mao and Mother Theresa espoused. What's wrong with that?
She said he was one of her two FAVORITE political philosophers. Mother Theresa wasn't political, but Mao absolutely was, and was the very embodiment of the evils of Communism. Just linking him philosophically to a saintly person is outrageous enough, but to take him as a personal favorite? Anyone who can't make a moral judgement on that association, I fear, is just as morally blinded by relativism and ideology as Dunn is.
Actually she said, "...two of my favorite political philosophers, Mao Tse Tung and Mother Teresa...", so yes, she apparently considers Mother Theresa a political philosopher along with Mao. And she links them for good reason: For the purposes of what Dunn was saying, they espoused a very similar message. Is this not true?
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 1:07:47 AM
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Actually, Glen Beck showed a video of her speaking to HIGH SCHOOL students LAST June. She said that she admired the political philosophies of Mao Tse Tung and Mother Theresa. Didn't Mao murder 70-100million of his people?
From Jeff Cooper's Commentaries.
The syndicated columnist, Walter Williams, who happens to be a college professor, has finished a study (September 1995) of governmental murder and has concluded that in the twentieth century far more people were killed by their own governments than died in war. Statistics are always questionable, but Williams' come out as follows:
Killed in Warfare: 39 million
Killed by Lenin and Stalin: 62 million
Killed by Mao Tse-tung: 35 million
Killed by Hitler: 21 million
These are the leaders, and the figures are beyond comprehension, but coming down to more comprehensible numbers we find that 2 million were killed in Turkey, 2 million in Cambodia, 1.5 million in Mexico, and 1 million by Tito in the Balkans. It should be noted that the time over which these atrocities were perpetrated has a bearing on the magnitude of their atrocity. Combined executions committed by Lenin and Stalin, for example, were spread over 70 years between 1917 and 1987. Mao's murders took place over about 37 years between 1949 and 1987, so his intensity could have been greater. Hitler's 21 million were murdered over a much shorter period, and so the intensity factor pretty well evens out, but the fact remains that vastly more homicide was perpetrated in this century of slaughter by governments against their own people than by armies against enemies. Man's inhumanity to man seems more virulent when it is domestic.
I was looking at a new book on Mao the other day, and in it the author states that in one year(1960), 22 million Chinese peasants were purposely starved to death by Mao. He took all their grain and rice to sell abroad to finance his arms build up. When asked about the high cost in human lives of his policies, he said "half of China may well have to die" for his goals to be met.
That's 22,000,000 people (not just long-ago, far-away peasants - people created in God's image) in ONE YEAR. Thanks to Mao, more humans died in that year than any year in history, according to the author. And our deluded White House communications director ranks him as her favorite philosopher. Mind boggling! 
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 2:32:42 AM
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Irregardless of numbers of murdered, all of the dictators listed are no better than Hitler and should receive the same treatment in history classes.
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