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RE: Masonic beliefs? - 11/14/2009 2:38:14 AM
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lw9
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orderofscotland: I could call you bigoted and equivalent of the Christian Taliban but out of my caring for my fellow man and from my respect for others I will not do that.
You just did. Nice.
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Thousands upon thousands of Masonic Christian ministers of several Christian faiths and Priests of the Anglican church. They just shake theirs heads and laugh at so called Christians who proclaim they know all about the Freemasons and especially the Christian faith.
Diversion [red herring]. It does nothing to answer the questions posed to you.
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Why attack Freemasons and not the President of the United States.
Diversion and fallacious argument.
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Christians are falsely led to believe that just because literature comes form so Called Christian sources it has to be true. It is a disgrace the amount of Christian trash that is published and then quoted by those unable to think and reason.
Diversion and false accusation.
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A few years ago the Christian church was very vocal and upset over the FICTION book by Dan Brown titled "The Devinci Code" His new book titled "The Lost Symbol" is about the Freemasons and has sold millions of copies.
Diversion. And this has what to do with Freemasonry vs. scripture?
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To prove a Masonic Lodge is not a religion or church, several hundred Lodges applied for tax free status
in various municipalities. Not one case was ever granted the status of a church or a tax free exemption.
Diversion.
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But it is Ok for so called Christians to post all kinds of Masonic garbage and get away with it.
False accusation. Posting Freemason material directly from Freemason sources and comparing it to scripture is not anti-Masonic garbage. We are presenting the FACTS of Freemasonry and asking for a reconciliation to scripture.
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In the AA program you have 12 steps steps, and many say God and one says A HIGHER POWER, they use no bible and it is not Gospel oriented. Many of these meetings are held in local churches and are even recommended by churches for addiction.
Diversion. It's an utterly pointless and false argument that points to one group in the attempt to make something right.
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We are getting no adult or serious input from those professing to be Christian.
I am beginning to think that the responses as you can read are just from those having fun and no desire to
have serious input into serious questions. Or they do not have the ability for serious discussion.
The responses to Masonic posts show the facts.
False accusation. You have been getting plenty of facts as well as thoughtful and serious responses. Do not confuse disagreement with you as 'no serious input'.
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Everyone knows there are deep divides within the Christian denominations and the Jehovah Witness do class themselves as Christian. Just simply answer why all the different denominations publish hate literature against each other. If you are unable to answer that question just say so and we will move on.
Fallacious arugment and diversion. It's based on a false premise, doesn't reconcile Freemasonry to scripture, and has nothing to do with the questions that have been asked of you.
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I once saw a poster with a very legitimate Bible question get dumped because the question was too tough to answer.
Diversion. Has nothing to do with the topic.
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I hate to discuss this publicly on this board and you know why, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.
Later I hope we can get a chance to discuss this and other matters under Masonic terms within our own board
Diversion. No one is stopping you from discussing here. In fact, no moderator has stopped you from saying anything you want, so your 'I'm being oppressed' attitude is ridiculous. It's simply another diversion to avoid dealing with the Biblical issues asked of you.
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Thi4f... seriously, guys?? This does not bode well.
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RE: Masonic beliefs? - 11/17/2009 1:03:42 PM
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My apologies for leaving for a week without any prior announcement; there was a death in the family.
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ORIGINAL: peacebringer
One significant difference is you have entered a covenant with Freemasonry and chosen to sit under their "authority" and have them as master.
This of course leads again to scripture that you cannot serve 2 masters. Living a life of surrender to Jesus or the "master" of Freemasonry has to be difficult, so which master has precedence?
There is no conflict. Again, we are talking about nothing different than joining any organization. Agreeing to follow the by-laws of any group is not the same as serving a different master.
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Any embracing of multiple paths and interfaith is not about the Gospel. It is about tolerance. Yes, it is about tolerance. However, Masonry does not teach that there is a broad path to Heaven that all faiths may deliver. Masonry does not teach salvation.
Individual Masons are told to follow the tenants of their own faith and look for answers to spiritual matters at their particular houses of worship, not the lodge.
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ORIGINAL: prophet
The oaths are addressed in the presence of the leadershio and made in the name of god. Its not a meal prayer. OATHS As are oaths made by anyone assuming any officers position in various clubs, groups, and organizations - particularly the armed forces or elected political offices.
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Not sure what oaths taken by your soldiers exactly....but do you get paid as masons? A soldier is a career....
Also, does taking a soldiers oath dressed with many religious dressings and behind secured close doors from the public? So it's okay to disobey a Christian law if it is your paid job but not in an unpaid organization, even though both are volunteer groups? A soldier (or politician) swears to uphold the Consitution and orders "so help me God". There is no difference.
As for doors closed from the public, the same is true for most any private organization.
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ORIGINAL: peacebringer
AA: thanks for sharing what you have, can you please share what you consider to be dogma`s and doctrine and how it differs from freemasonry education.
Any Masonic education would be specifc to legends, symbols, etc. and what moral lessons could be taught from them. However, there is nothing dogmatic or doctrinal in Freemasonry as men are allowed to have differing opinions.
I may have different religious interpretations on scripture from other Christians, but those results or differences have spiritual or eternal consequences. That is not the case with Freemasonry as the lessons are not holy or a religion.
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Also recommend this article: http://www.xenos.org/essays/stoich.htm
It seems in these passages Paul is writing against the very things practiced in Freemasonry Since Freemasonry is not a religion, any rituals are not to be in competition with Christianity. According to my understanding of that article, Christians should not participate in any "non-Christian" ritual including those of the OT.
Yet Christ participated in Jewish feasts and Christians still practice circumcision.
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RE: Masonic beliefs? - 11/19/2009 10:23:39 PM
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lw9
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AlabamaAlan: My apologies for leaving for a week without any prior announcement; there was a death in the family.
No apologies necessary, and I'm very sorry to hear this news. I myself don't have much time to spend here, so I dash in and out when I can.
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As are oaths made by anyone assuming any officers position in various clubs, groups, and organizations - particularly the armed forces or elected political offices.
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A soldier (or politician) swears to uphold the Consitution and orders "so help me God". There is no difference.
The topic is Freemasonry, though, and that's what we need to stick with. Pointing to another group for justification doesn't reconcile scripture.
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Since Freemasonry is not a religion, any rituals are not to be in competition with Christianity.
Claiming something is not a religion doesn't make the issues go away.
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Yet Christ participated in Jewish feasts...
Of course He did. Jesus, being God in the flesh and a Jew, faithfully followed God's established Judaic laws and customs for that time. Jesus is also the fulfillment of the law.
God did NOT, however, establish the man-made Freemason rituals - which are pagan in nature. God actually condemns these types of practices many times over. Yes, I have a loved one and in-laws who were involved with Freemasonry and it's associated groups, so I know more than you might think I know.
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.... and Christians still practice circumcision.
It's typically for sanitary reasons, not because they are under the law. Big difference. Christians are completely free to NOT be circumcised if they choose, and I'm not seeing your point on this.
1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts.
< Message edited by lw9 -- 11/19/2009 10:53:22 PM >
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