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Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN?
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/6/2009 7:59:51 PM
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Mr. Fribbles, there is a wise way to celebrate Thanksgiving Day, and there is a foolish way. Some of us do not pig out, but we do find it to be a day of making sure others eat. Some celebrate Thanksgiving in soup kitchens, others invite over people who need to be fed, some give to families.
So if you just have family/friends over to have a big dinner, that's foolish?
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wise parents do all they can to protect their children, and will not allow their children to go out after dark without adult supervision. AND wise parents don't allow children to take candy from strangers.
Is that wise parents, or over-protective parents? Yes, bad things happen on Halloween, but is wrapping our children in bubble-wrap the answer? Do we want our children to grow up being afraid of everyone outside the front door?
Of course, one must also utilize proper discernment. Some places are less safe than others, and some places just don't celebrate Halloween. Last year, my wife and I were all set to hand out oodles of candy, but we only got a single trick-or-treater the whole night. It seems our neighborhood doesn't care much for Halloween, so if I had a child, I'd probably just make a family outing to our church's event that night - not because I fear for their safety, but because I imagine it would be more fun.
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/6/2009 8:03:30 PM
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Individuals treat food as they will treat food. I do not take responsibility for others' personal choices, unless I am, indeed, responsible for them.
Re parenting, you can name it whatever you wish. I don't tell you how to set boundaries, and I don't expect others to tell me what my boundaries are either. Regarding your remarks on discernment, exactly.
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/7/2009 1:12:10 AM
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I think worrying about dressing up in Halloween costumes, handing out candy, and horror movies on tv is the last of our worries when we have churches preaching that it's okay for homosexuals to preach, that living together before marriage still counts as marriage, everyone can get away with their first abortion, the Bible is mostly figurative and never meant to be taken literal, and that premarital sex doesn't exist is lot scarier than any fake costume will be to me. JMO.
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/7/2009 3:32:36 AM
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My bottom line is that people glorify death, gore, and all things ugly with this holiday. Why should we, who are believers, participate in that? Death, sickness, gore, and all things unseemly are satan's specialty. What business do we who are walking in the light have with darkness, which halloween exalts?
OUCH. pretty much my entire year is dedicated to glorifying blood gore and violence, with the video games and movies im into. i dont need 1 special day for that :P i can't get enough of the stuff. but i dont see that slowing down anytime soon. i LOVE zombie movies, and the more people getting ripped apart, the better. and i love gratuitously violent games too.
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NPR suggests that if you are going to allow the children to collect candy, set up a barter system by which the children buy privileges, family-game-playing, toys, etc. with the candy they get. You take the candy, remove the wrappers, and dig it deep into your garden, where it becomes food for the soil.
and no offense to you, cause your a fairly intelligent and decent poster, but FULL offense to NPR, because i despise NPR very much... thats about the dumbest thing i've ever heard or read. i'm speechless at the absurdity of this idea. i would've bopped both my parents if they did that to my candy. thats just wrong. (once again, directed to NPR, not the poster  )
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/7/2009 6:53:27 AM
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'Cause sex-and-gore sells a lot better than just plain old gore, it seems.  Sexy devil, sexy witch, sexy fairy, sexy pirate, sexy vampire, sexy Greek goddess, sexy police officer... 
and for THAT i take my hat off and salute the stars and stripes, while wiping a tear away, and declare "God... Bless... America!" halloween is the one day of the year females can get away with being scantilly clad, and i oblige them
at 'the store' my wife works in this department and shes always sending me pictures of the newest sexy costumes. fun times.
I trust you are joking? In all respects?
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im stating the facts in a mere jovial manner. i'm not a pervert, and i dont really have a problem with lust and/or fantasizing about other woman... but at the same time, im not gonna rain on some nicely proportioned female wearing not much. it just gives me a small perk in my otherwise boring and mundane life. kind of like a cat finding a grasshopper.
and my wife works at a halloween store in the 'sexy section' so yeah, shes always txting pics of the latest additions. heh. but its usually because shes adding: "can you believe this comes in a size XXX-L?!?!" heh.
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/7/2009 7:33:00 AM
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When I took my children to storytime at the Library, our librarian announced that the Library would not officially "do" Halloween. We live in a somewhat conservative area, imo, so they might've been bowing to pressure. The kids will be doing costumes if they wish the week before Halloween, and the storytime will feature stories about "not being scared".
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/7/2009 11:06:35 AM
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Great article here from Albert Mohler:
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Is Halloween Really that Significant?
Albert Mohler - Author, Speaker, President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary
Over a hundred years ago, the great Dutch theologian Hermann Bavinck predicted that the 20th century would "witness a gigantic conflict of spirits." His prediction turned out to be an understatement, and this great conflict continues into the 21st century.
The issue of Halloween presses itself annually upon the Christian conscience. Acutely aware of dangers new and old, many Christian parents choose to withdraw their children from the holiday altogether. Others choose to follow a strategic battle plan for engagement with the holiday. Still others have gone further, seeking to convert Halloween into an evangelistic opportunity. Is Halloween really that significant?
Well, Halloween is a big deal in the marketplace. Halloween is surpassed only by Christmas in terms of economic activity. According to David J. Skal, "Precise figures are difficult to determine, but the annual economic impact of Halloween is now somewhere between 4 billion and 6 billion dollars depending on the number and kinds of industries one includes in the calculations."
Furthermore, historian Nicholas Rogers claims that "Halloween is currently the second most important party night in North America. In terms of its retail potential, it is second only to Christmas. This commercialism fortifies its significance as a time of public license, a custom-designed opportunity to have a blast. Regardless of its spiritual complications, Halloween is big business."
Read the rest of Is Halloween Really that Significant?
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/7/2009 11:43:40 AM
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we didn't get one trick or treater last year. Ended up giving the big tub of sweets to some of our neices and nephews in the end. I think in England children dont tend to do trick or treating etc
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/7/2009 6:40:46 PM
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Yuh huh...Snow White did.
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/7/2009 8:06:06 PM
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Want to party? Do Sukkot. That is an 8-day party
Just to think I thought this was and Irish tradition for weddings and funerals!!!
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How is it pagan? There is no worship going on, no acknowledgment of pagan deities.
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Easter is from pagan tradition as the eggs represent Fertility
And all Christians know Jesus as not born on Dec.25th, I believe Paul used the pagan tradition to turn it into a Christ theme to convert folks. Christ birthday was closer to Sept. (maybe Labor day, lol okay j/k).
I voted that I am not sure.
I know growing up we did this as children and even when I worked in the hospital dressed up 1 year as dracula, until midnight. (would want to kill a patient).
But since then haven't done anything with this day. I will buy a minature pumkin, but I do not carve it, I paint a face on it for my son. I also never dressed him up or took him trick or treating.
At one point I lived in a security building, so no one was allowed in and where I presently live, there is hardly any children. Last year no one knocked on our door.
The Lord hasn't convicted me one way or another on the subject, yet I can understand where folks believe it is a Mockery to the Ressurection. We will not be coming back as Zombies, Ghouls,etc.. looking for revenge upon the world or offenders.
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/7/2009 8:14:46 PM
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Great article here from Albert Mohler:
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Is Halloween Really that Significant?
Albert Mohler - Author, Speaker, President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary
Over a hundred years ago, the great Dutch theologian Hermann Bavinck predicted that the 20th century would "witness a gigantic conflict of spirits." His prediction turned out to be an understatement, and this great conflict continues into the 21st century.
The issue of Halloween presses itself annually upon the Christian conscience. Acutely aware of dangers new and old, many Christian parents choose to withdraw their children from the holiday altogether. Others choose to follow a strategic battle plan for engagement with the holiday. Still others have gone further, seeking to convert Halloween into an evangelistic opportunity. Is Halloween really that significant?
Well, Halloween is a big deal in the marketplace. Halloween is surpassed only by Christmas in terms of economic activity. According to David J. Skal, "Precise figures are difficult to determine, but the annual economic impact of Halloween is now somewhere between 4 billion and 6 billion dollars depending on the number and kinds of industries one includes in the calculations."
Furthermore, historian Nicholas Rogers claims that "Halloween is currently the second most important party night in North America. In terms of its retail potential, it is second only to Christmas. This commercialism fortifies its significance as a time of public license, a custom-designed opportunity to have a blast. Regardless of its spiritual complications, Halloween is big business."
Read the rest of Is Halloween Really that Significant?
I have a lot of respect for Albert Mohler but it really saddens me to see the number of factual errors in this article. As part of his argument he restates two factually incorrect statements, that "Halloween is surpassed only by Christmas in terms of economic activity". First of all, precise figures are not difficult to determine (as he claims), the National Retail Federation publishes sales figures for every holiday season and Halloween ranks sixth, behind Christmas, Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, Father's Day and Easter.
His remaining arguments may hold some validity but it's hard to take an article that opens with those glaring misstatements of fact very seriously.
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/7/2009 8:18:45 PM
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Great article here from Albert Mohler:
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Is Halloween Really that Significant?
Albert Mohler - Author, Speaker, President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary
Over a hundred years ago, the great Dutch theologian Hermann Bavinck predicted that the 20th century would "witness a gigantic conflict of spirits." His prediction turned out to be an understatement, and this great conflict continues into the 21st century.
The issue of Halloween presses itself annually upon the Christian conscience. Acutely aware of dangers new and old, many Christian parents choose to withdraw their children from the holiday altogether. Others choose to follow a strategic battle plan for engagement with the holiday. Still others have gone further, seeking to convert Halloween into an evangelistic opportunity. Is Halloween really that significant?
Well, Halloween is a big deal in the marketplace. Halloween is surpassed only by Christmas in terms of economic activity. According to David J. Skal, "Precise figures are difficult to determine, but the annual economic impact of Halloween is now somewhere between 4 billion and 6 billion dollars depending on the number and kinds of industries one includes in the calculations."
Furthermore, historian Nicholas Rogers claims that "Halloween is currently the second most important party night in North America. In terms of its retail potential, it is second only to Christmas. This commercialism fortifies its significance as a time of public license, a custom-designed opportunity to have a blast. Regardless of its spiritual complications, Halloween is big business."
Read the rest of Is Halloween Really that Significant?
In this article he did not cover all the basis. Oh I think it was in the 90's where Wiccans was trying to make it a legal Holiday in which they could celebrate their religion.
I know when I lived in California, the news reporter would advise folks to keep their pets indoors approaching this day, as some of the darkside folks would kidnap your beloved pet for sacrifice. People seem to forget to some folks it is more than just a harmless fun day for these people.
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/7/2009 10:42:24 PM
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I'm on the fence about this. I grew up both ways: When I was very little, I dressed up and my parents took me trick or treating. When I got a little older, my parents decided we weren't gonna do Halloween anymore because it's the devil's holiday. So then we went to church parties or bonfire get-togethers, things like that. At this point, I only hand out candy (eating some of it myself, of course!  ) I don't see anything wrong with christians trick-or-treating, but I'm sad to see anyone dressed in something not pleasing to God, such as a ghost, ax murderer, or Playboy bunny I do not believe christians should be dressing in such a way. I also feel like we should not be dressing up our homes with skulls and witches.
To summarize, I don't think there's anything wrong with dressing up, going out and getting candy, and socializing with others who are doing the same. I think it doesn't look good if you (or your child) are dressed in something you think God would not approve of, or if you're decorating your home with items that bring gruesome death to mind.
For whatever you decide to do this year, keep in mind that it's God's opinion of you, not man's, that counts.
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/7/2009 10:44:48 PM
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Great article here from Albert Mohler:
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Is Halloween Really that Significant?
Albert Mohler - Author, Speaker, President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary
Over a hundred years ago, the great Dutch theologian Hermann Bavinck predicted that the 20th century would "witness a gigantic conflict of spirits." His prediction turned out to be an understatement, and this great conflict continues into the 21st century.
The issue of Halloween presses itself annually upon the Christian conscience. Acutely aware of dangers new and old, many Christian parents choose to withdraw their children from the holiday altogether. Others choose to follow a strategic battle plan for engagement with the holiday. Still others have gone further, seeking to convert Halloween into an evangelistic opportunity. Is Halloween really that significant?
Well, Halloween is a big deal in the marketplace. Halloween is surpassed only by Christmas in terms of economic activity. According to David J. Skal, "Precise figures are difficult to determine, but the annual economic impact of Halloween is now somewhere between 4 billion and 6 billion dollars depending on the number and kinds of industries one includes in the calculations."
Furthermore, historian Nicholas Rogers claims that "Halloween is currently the second most important party night in North America. In terms of its retail potential, it is second only to Christmas. This commercialism fortifies its significance as a time of public license, a custom-designed opportunity to have a blast. Regardless of its spiritual complications, Halloween is big business."
Read the rest of Is Halloween Really that Significant?
In this article he did not cover all the basis. Oh I think it was in the 90's where Wiccans was trying to make it a legal Holiday in which they could celebrate their religion.
I know when I lived in California, the news reporter would advise folks to keep their pets indoors approaching this day, as some of the darkside folks would kidnap your beloved pet for sacrifice. People seem to forget to some folks it is more than just a harmless fun day for these people.
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I think those animal sacrifice claims were largely overstated. Wiccans I know celebrate Samhain, not Halloween.
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/7/2009 11:18:13 PM
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I'm sad to see anyone dressed in something not pleasing to God, such as a ghost,
Out of curiosity, why do you feel God is not pleased by someone dressing up as a ghost?
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/7/2009 11:22:45 PM
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I for one am a former professional makeup artist, and have done Zombie or special effects makeup in various venues, including film. And I am also Christian. I am not against Halloween at all as it has evolved since ancient times into a more family-friendly holiday, from the evil, dark, sinister event it originated, by my ancestral Celts/Druids. And that was literally thousands of years ago????
My mega church supports the holiday, as do many churches, by hosting a Harvest Fest, complete with costumes (none scary or satanic), candy, games, prizes, etc. As for adults, I am not against dressing as a sexy pirate wench or what, just to enjoy myself at a local Halloween party. When I was married to my ex years ago, it was like being married to an ornate Priest. God forbid I even mention the word, let alone express a compliment on someone's costume! What I do not support is the darker side of it such as ghost hunts, seances, etc. The Bible warns very clearly about practicing or engaging in mystical, magic, or occult activity. I am not in to that. I merely appreciate the fun of dressing up, adding a few cute holiday decor, and even visiting a local 'haunted house' attraction. In fact, I've patronized our local The Haunt, several years in a row now. I've also attended Cedar Points' 'Halloweekend' several times. I am fascinated by the sophisticated makeup effects today's professional artists use.
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/7/2009 11:32:58 PM
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I'm sad to see anyone dressed in something not pleasing to God, such as a ghost,
Out of curiosity, why do you feel God is not pleased by someone dressing up as a ghost?
I feel that it can be considered somewhat satanic, as it seems to glorify death and lost souls.
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/8/2009 5:09:45 AM
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I for one am a former professional makeup artist, and have done Zombie or special effects makeup in various venues, including film. And I am also Christian. I am not against Halloween at all as it has evolved since ancient times into a more family-friendly holiday, from the evil, dark, sinister event it originated, by my ancestral Celts/Druids. And that was literally thousands of years ago????
My mega church supports the holiday, as do many churches, by hosting a Harvest Fest, complete with costumes (none scary or satanic), candy, games, prizes, etc. As for adults, I am not against dressing as a sexy pirate wench or what, just to enjoy myself at a local Halloween party. When I was married to my ex years ago, it was like being married to an ornate Priest. God forbid I even mention the word, let alone express a compliment on someone's costume! What I do not support is the darker side of it such as ghost hunts, seances, etc. The Bible warns very clearly about practicing or engaging in mystical, magic, or occult activity. I am not in to that. I merely appreciate the fun of dressing up, adding a few cute holiday decor, and even visiting a local 'haunted house' attraction. In fact, I've patronized our local The Haunt, several years in a row now. I've also attended Cedar Points' 'Halloweekend' several times. I am fascinated by the sophisticated makeup effects today's professional artists use.
kudos on this post! :) but to me it comes down to a personal conviction It seems now, I guess.
As far as blood and gore being 'evil,' a bazilion Christians went and suppored Passion of the Christ, and it was all kinds of gory... I smell a double standard! Tsk tsk.
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RE: Should Christians particpate in HALLOWEEN? - 10/8/2009 8:35:36 AM
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Great article here from Albert Mohler:
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Is Halloween Really that Significant?
Albert Mohler - Author, Speaker, President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary
Over a hundred years ago, the great Dutch theologian Hermann Bavinck predicted that the 20th century would "witness a gigantic conflict of spirits." His prediction turned out to be an understatement, and this great conflict continues into the 21st century.
The issue of Halloween presses itself annually upon the Christian conscience. Acutely aware of dangers new and old, many Christian parents choose to withdraw their children from the holiday altogether. Others choose to follow a strategic battle plan for engagement with the holiday. Still others have gone further, seeking to convert Halloween into an evangelistic opportunity. Is Halloween really that significant?
Well, Halloween is a big deal in the marketplace. Halloween is surpassed only by Christmas in terms of economic activity. According to David J. Skal, "Precise figures are difficult to determine, but the annual economic impact of Halloween is now somewhere between 4 billion and 6 billion dollars depending on the number and kinds of industries one includes in the calculations."
Furthermore, historian Nicholas Rogers claims that "Halloween is currently the second most important party night in North America. In terms of its retail potential, it is second only to Christmas. This commercialism fortifies its significance as a time of public license, a custom-designed opportunity to have a blast. Regardless of its spiritual complications, Halloween is big business."
Read the rest of Is Halloween Really that Significant?
I have a lot of respect for Albert Mohler but it really saddens me to see the number of factual errors in this article. As part of his argument he restates two factually incorrect statements, that "Halloween is surpassed only by Christmas in terms of economic activity". First of all, precise figures are not difficult to determine (as he claims), the National Retail Federation publishes sales figures for every holiday season and Halloween ranks sixth, behind Christmas, Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, Father's Day and Easter.
His remaining arguments may hold some validity but it's hard to take an article that opens with those glaring misstatements of fact very seriously.
I noticed he directly states Halloween is 2nd to Christmas in terms of parties. Then secondly in regards to retail sales for Valentine's and Easter I could see sales being high for candy and flowers, but Halloween sales go far beyond candy. Halloween sales overall consist of candy, costumes, make up, music, pumpkin sales, party decorations, party food, contest and so on. Of course, alcohol sales too. I could see "overall" sales for Halloween being higher, so I don't know what criteria the National Retail Federation used to make there sales rankings or if it considered everything.
However, maybe you could ask him what source he used to make those statements in regards to "retail". Maybe his source was flawed with error and not him directly. I just started listening to Albert Mohler over the last several months and really enjoy his radio show.
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