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RE: Kicka #6 - 8/31/2009 9:20:42 PM   
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Status: online 		Thank you Sarah, that's kind of how I viewed it, but you better explained it than I. I'm even thiking it's covenental, but I don't think I could explain that fully. Got to go and answer you know who and see how confussed I get afterward. The man makes me nuty.

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RE: Kicka #6 - 8/31/2009 11:18:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't assume righteousness ... as, back then, it needed to be earned. She may have been righteous. She may not have been righteous.

Now, for those of us who follow Christ, we are clothed in HIS righteousness. (Which HE earned.)



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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/1/2009 9:06:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll stick my neck out here and say that I think Christian authors take far too many liberties with people of the bible, with Jesus, with God and with all manner of "religious" things in their work. I started a thread on this awhile back, too, and ruffled a few feathers. I'm personally appalled by a lot of things I read that assign emotion, physical characteristics and speech to Jesus (and to God). That includes things I've read here on CW. That includes The Shack.

And now I'll step down from the box.
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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/1/2009 10:46:47 AM   
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I wouldn't assume righteousness ... as, back then, it needed to be earned. She may have been righteous.


In the OT times, righteousness was not 'earned' as in doing the right outward behaviors; it was the faith of an individual that was the basis for their righteousness.

God established a covenant with Noah, and his family was spared -- in effect reaping the benefits of Noah's belief and action.
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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/1/2009 11:55:27 AM   
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Status: online 		I also tend to think Noah's family fell under his umbrella of righteousness. We won't know for sure on this side because it simply does not say, but I definitely think it's implied.

We also have to keep in mind (if you take Genesis 6:3 to mean that God decided 120 years before the Flood that it was going to occur, as I do) that Noah's three sons were born after Noah had found favor with God and God had said he would spare him and his family -

After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham and Japheth. ~ Genesis 5:32

Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. ~ Genesis 7:6


I don't even visit the theology forums anymore. It makes me sad, because I originally joined Crosswalk because I love reading and discussing theology. But it soon enough became clear that this was not the place for me to do so.

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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/1/2009 12:15:44 PM   
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Status: online 		Stella, that sounded like a good thread. Is it still open? I know the woman that I mentioned that worte that book had good intentions, but when the bible doesn't say much about something I always figured it was better not to add anything to it. If God didn't see it as important then why should I right? Even my quesitioning Noah's family "righteousness" isn't important, just more of "why do people assume" type of thing.

Dana, it's hard to stay in some of those thread because, as I can atest to, they get heated and I've walked away with a bad attitude.

So are we all in agreement that Noah's family was covered under his righteousness? I did bring up the whole Ham thing later on in Gen. 9 in the other thread and will see what they say. If Hamm was righteous, did we slip like we do and sin so gravly that his decendants were cursed? I find the whole way God dealt with people in the OT so very interesting.

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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/1/2009 12:39:58 PM   
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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/1/2009 12:48:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Harvie
One of my local Facebook friends lost her 22 year old male cousin to H1N1 a few weeks ago. He had no known underlying health issues ... just got the flu really bad, clogged up his chest, he spent a week in ICU on a respirator, then died. From what I've heard, it hits many people mildly, and some people -- really hard.

Harvie

I'm sorry for your friend's loss.

Do you know if her cousin was on Tamiflu at all?

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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/1/2009 1:32:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: manda59

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ORIGINAL: Harvie
One of my local Facebook friends lost her 22 year old male cousin to H1N1 a few weeks ago. He had no known underlying health issues ... just got the flu really bad, clogged up his chest, he spent a week in ICU on a respirator, then died. From what I've heard, it hits many people mildly, and some people -- really hard.

Harvie

I'm sorry for your friend's loss.

Do you know if her cousin was on Tamiflu at all?


He was... on Tamiflu and then on a number of other medications. They even did a post-mortem examination of him (with his family's permission, of course), and confirmed that he had no underlying health issues (like a bad heart).

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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/1/2009 6:48:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just heard about a 27-yr-old police officer that died from it; they said he never even had a fever-- just chest pains. I'm not sure how long he was sick, but he died. There was a local elementary-aged boy here that died a couple of days ago; it scares me that it gets the ones who should be least susceptible (as far as dying from it). But, I think that's what scares a lot of us.

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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/1/2009 7:57:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, my wonderful DH and I got our regular, annual flu shot today.

As soon as the H1N1 vaccine is available, we'll get that, too. It won't only protect US, after all, but it will help ensure we don't pass it on to someone who could get reallly really sick from it.

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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/1/2009 8:23:27 PM   
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Status: online 		I've never gotten a flu shot. Dh gets a free one at work every year.

Gen. 6:18- God makes a covenant with Noah. I went back and read the entire text and thought I'd post that.

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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/2/2009 1:23:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm surprised that more employers don't offer free flu shots, actually.

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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/2/2009 2:01:18 PM   
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Status: online 		When I worked at the hospital, we got a $5 lunch voucher if we got a flu shot. Better than free! LOL

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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/2/2009 2:37:34 PM   
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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/2/2009 4:12:50 PM   
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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/2/2009 4:27:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		My employer usually has someone come out here and give flu shots each fall, but we have to pay $25 to get it. I always do. Small price to pay not to get the flu.

I'm not sure about getting the H1N1 vaccine, esp since we are TTC. I heard it has mercury in it. True or false?

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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/2/2009 4:44:26 PM   
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I heard it has mercury in it. True or false?

here is part of a repost Ryanne put in another thread about it (pregnancy related thread)

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ORIGINAL: Mrs.Wifey

1) It contains Thimersol
2) It uses an adjuvent called squalene which, when used in vaccines has been found to be a potential inducer of arthritis and other auto-immune disorders.

Chronic T-Cell-Mediated Arthritis in Rats

I personally also believe that it could be a possible cause of gulf-war syndrome, but the data on that varies depending on what you read. If you do some research in PubMed you can find a bunch of study abstracts that have linked the anthrax vaccine(which contains/contained squalene) to auto-immune disorders like Rheumatoid arthritis and also to Gulf War syndrome.

Because my family has a tendency towards arthritis, especially RA, I won't be risking anything.

3) It has not been tested long enough for me to be comfortable with it's use.

4) Neither my doctor nor Gabby's pediatrician are recommending it's use.


But... I would be on the lookout for flu symptoms and I would be willing, as a pregnant woman, to use Tamiflu when I normally would not.


the Thimersol she refers to is mercury

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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/2/2009 5:08:26 PM   
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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/2/2009 6:38:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		While I respect your position laughinggirl, I have to ask ... if the H1N1 vaccine is so dangerous for pregnant women (due to Mercury), why would the CDC and WHO and pretty much every other health organization and group out there be strongly urging pregnant women, especially, to get the vaccine?

(I am not trying to be argumentative ... I just wonder if the "powers that be" have determined that the minute traces of mercury in the vaccine poses less of a risk to pregnant women than getting the H1N1 flu?)

And I'm not advocating you get the vaccine, I am just trying to better understand your point of view ... if you care to share. If not, that's ok too.

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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/2/2009 6:51:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Isn't the mercury thing still debated? I thought they (CDC, WHO, etc.) never thought/found themselves that trace amounts of mercury caused harm, but some people (and scientists) think so. I remember reading on the CDC's site that there was no convincing evidence that mercury did any harm (in vaccines), and that it was removed from vaccines as a precautionary measure. It led me to believe that some large health/medical organizations don't believe it causes problems. If so, then it makes sense that they'd suggest it for pregnant women and babies.

ETA: I understand trying to avoid getting a fever/virus while pregnant, especially during early pregnancy and recommending it on that basis by itself.

< Message edited by solo_soprano23 -- 9/2/2009 7:00:31 PM >

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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/2/2009 6:52:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm usually in favor of getting vaccinated and I do get a flu shot every year. I guess I'm just a little more concerned about this one because it's new and it contains a chemical that is pretty controversial and has been removed from most other vaccines because of that.

I will probably ask my doctor about it just to see what he says.

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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/2/2009 7:20:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Harvie...a lot of things that are pushed or suggested that pregnant women get, they are urged NOT to get in the first trimester. So it could have a lot to do with that for a lot of people.


new topic. A friend just posted this on FB...thoughts?
Vermont is now performing same sex marriages, and in support of this, Ben & Jerry's shops are changing the name of their "Chubby Hubby" ice cream to "Hubby Hubby" for the month of September. link to their website.

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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/2/2009 7:24:20 PM   
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I suspect a lot of people won't even notice...

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RE: Kicka #6 - 9/2/2009 8:02:32 PM   
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