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A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Opening Post).
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RE: A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Open... - 10/23/2009 9:58:54 AM
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Catholicandloveit
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Perfect sinlessness is "living a one hundred percent sinless life". This will only occur when we are living in glorified bodies in heaven.
Sinless perfection is living in and through the Love of Christ with our sinful nature cleansed by grace and our hearts entirely set on willful obedience by the power of the Holy Spirit. This can and does occur in the life of every sanctified Believer who completely consecrates their entire being to God and abides fully in Him every day.
Drmark I am somewhat confused by your answer here - if you have time (your not busy at all right!) I would be interested in a more detailed description of what you consider perfect sinlessness.
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RE: A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Open... - 10/23/2009 11:13:08 AM
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RE: A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Open... - 10/23/2009 2:35:45 PM
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It's true. Read the wording. This passage talks about one who practices sin... not one who falls into temptation from time to time. You have to look at this passage in combination with others... like maybe the ones to which i referred earlier.
And what would be your definition of "Practicing" sin, versus "Falling into temptation from time to time"?
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RC
It's not my definition that counts. It's God's. Are you asking because you are actually curious, or are you trying to prove a point?
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RE: A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Open... - 10/23/2009 3:25:05 PM
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And what would be your definition of "Practicing" sin, versus "Falling into temptation from time to time"?
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RC
It's not my definition that counts. It's God's. Are you asking because you are actually curious, or are you trying to prove a point?
You had made a point about the difference, and I was hoping that you would expand on an explanation of your feelings of the difference (if any). As your point would depend on the difference, and I am sure that the folks (and I) would appreciate it.
Thanks
RC
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RE: A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Open... - 10/23/2009 3:31:46 PM
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A practicing sinner would be one who deliberately disobeyed God, with full intention to do so. They live in a sin nature, yet still do a good thing from time to time. Falling into temptation from time to time would be just the opposite. Intending and putting one's effort into obeying God, yet, because of the weakness of the flesh, making mistakes from time to time.
There aren't specific numbers. It's not a matter of "one more time and you're out of here". It's what's in the heart, and God sees that. Man does not.
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RE: A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Open... - 10/23/2009 3:36:56 PM
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I shouldn't be allowed into heaven. But God sees me through the finished work of Jesus' atoning sacrifice for my sin.
'sides, my name's written in ink in that book He's got up there. 
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RE: A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Open... - 10/23/2009 5:28:53 PM
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Intending and putting one's effort into obeying God, yet, because of the weakness of the flesh, making mistakes from time to time. Mistakes are not sin, properly so-called. Sin is willful disobedience of the known Will of God. We will never stop "making mistakes" until we are glorified in heaven!
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RE: A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Open... - 10/23/2009 6:23:33 PM
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If you were to stand before God today, and He were to ask you, "Why should I let you into My Kingdom?", what would you say? There's only one answer to that question. It is the words of the Publican written by the inspired penman Luke:
Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
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RE: A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Open... - 10/23/2009 6:25:55 PM
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Intending and putting one's effort into obeying God, yet, because of the weakness of the flesh, making mistakes from time to time. Mistakes are not sin, properly so-called. Sin is willful disobedience of the known Will of God. We will never stop "making mistakes" until we are glorified in heaven!
If something an acquaintance of mine said to me was to anger me, and without thinking I punch him in the face, only to realize a moment later my error, I would repent and ask my acquaintance forgiveness. I would still consider myself to have sinned, even though it wasn't a willful thing.
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RE: A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Open... - 10/23/2009 11:33:01 PM
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and without thinking I punch him in the face, This makes no sense, McF! It is physiologically impossible to accurately strike someone in the face "without thinking". The multiple neural pathways required for such a complex maneuver are amazing. Do you have some other realistic example of an unwillful mistake which represents true sin?
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RE: A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Open... - 10/24/2009 7:13:19 AM
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Perhaps you're just a lot better of a person than I am, because I've certainly done things without thinking only to realize my mistake seconds later. I've said things I didn't mean, etc. But since you have never experienced this, I guess we can't relate on this issue.
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RE: A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Open... - 10/24/2009 9:29:52 AM
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I've said things I didn't mean, etc. Then why did you say them? Were you under the influence of a medical condition that caused your speech to be slurred? This would not be willful sin, in my opinion. Were you confused by external circumstances that caused you to say something that wasn't true? This would not be willful sin. Or were you lashing out in anger or selfish pride toward someone? This is real sin which has nothing to do with "weakness of the flesh" and every Christian can avoid this sinful behavior every time, by God's grace and power!
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RE: A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Open... - 10/24/2009 1:32:35 PM
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"willful sin"? The Bible gives examples of people still having to atone (by Old Testament methods) for sins they have committed in ignorance, just as if they have committed them "willfully".
To answer your question, I don't know why I've said things I shouldn't have said. I claim to not be a perfect man, so if it was considered sin by your categories, I fully admit it. I consider it sin regardless, so I still fully admit it.
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RE: A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Open... - 10/24/2009 3:28:54 PM
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McFatty has put it well. If there are not perfect people, there are definitely people who try to be.
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RE: A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Open... - 11/4/2009 11:18:05 PM
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Here it is:
If you were to stand before God today, and He were to ask you, "Why should I let you into My Kingdom?", what would you say?
God bless,
Crushmaster.
I brought beer! 
Sorry, couldn't resist. Besides I like to think he'd have laughed.
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RE: A Very Important Question To Ask Yourself (See Open... - 11/5/2009 8:12:10 PM
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A practicing sinner would be one who deliberately disobeyed God, with full intention to do so. They live in a sin nature, yet still do a good thing from time to time. Falling into temptation from time to time would be just the opposite. Intending and putting one's effort into obeying God, yet, because of the weakness of the flesh, making mistakes from time to time.
There aren't specific numbers. It's not a matter of "one more time and you're out of here". It's what's in the heart, and God sees that. Man does not.
Greetings
That’s is a great reiteration of the Word there
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Falling into temptation from time to time would be just the opposite. Intending and putting one's effort into obeying God, yet, because of the weakness of the flesh, making mistakes from time to time.
There aren't specific numbers. It's not a matter of "one more time and you're out of here". It's what's in the heart, and God sees that.
That’s what David was expressing by, falling into temptation from time to time...
Ps 23:5 - Show Context
You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies ;
... I liked your analogy of baseball ("one more time and you're out of here".) It’s also like a touchdown in football...
That table that is set before us ....in those times of temptations
.....The whole body does not need to cross the goal line.... but as long as the heart just touches it... He pulls us out “in the presence of our enemies”... even at those times when we are wrong.
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