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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/12/2009 12:50:19 PM
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Tammy:
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Sorry if it seems that I am splitting hairs,
As long as you don't split the hairs on Santa's beard we're OK.
Tammy,
You say: "Santa on the other hand is not able to save, but sadly is very capable of keeping people away from the power of the Gospel,".
We all understand and respect your position and your wish to keep Santa out of your Christmas and that of your family. But when you make statements like the one above, you invite responses (if that indeed is your wish in this Thread).
Give me an instance where Santa has kept people away from the Gospel. Have any children or their parents turned away from the Gospel because of Santa?
Christians know that Santa is a fable, a fictitious character based on St Nicholas or whoever. They also know about God and His greatest gift Jesus. They are hardly going to turn away from the Bible and follow Santa - are they?
Please ... please ... don't point fingers at those celebrating Santa and say that they are wrong.
Santa over the years has collected millions for various charities by standing at street corners in many cities collecting moneys. He has done more good than any harm you may think a little white lie will do.
Do you think children are that naive when they see several Santas in shops and street corners? They know it is a bit of fun - not to be taken seriously.
I cannot give an instance of where santa has kept someone from the Gospel, but I can give you an instance of each year Christians with whole nations colaberating in the biggest lie this side of Eden, namely that santa;
a. Is real.
b. All knowing.
c. All seeing.
d. Has the power to reward or punish.
Hold on! This is beginning to sound familiar!! Oh yes, I am confusing it with the bible and our trinitarian God and Creator.
P.S. If you are wondering why I spell santa with a small s, it is because he doesn't really exist.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/12/2009 12:56:01 PM
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Are you saying that there are people (Christians and/or non-believers) who confuse Santa as being God?
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/12/2009 4:50:08 PM
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I cannot give an instance of where santa has kept someone from the Gospel, but I can give you an instance of each year Christians with whole nations colaberating in the biggest lie this side of Eden, namely that santa;
a. Is real.
b. All knowing.
c. All seeing.
d. Has the power to reward or punish.
Hold on! This is beginning to sound familiar!! Oh yes, I am confusing it with the bible and our trinitarian God and Creator.
So first you equate Santa Clause to Satan and now you equate Santa Clause to God. Which is it Tammy???????
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/12/2009 5:10:25 PM
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Are you saying that there are people (Christians and/or non-believers) who confuse Santa as being God?
I honestly believe that the post is self explanitory!!
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/12/2009 5:12:48 PM
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I cannot give an instance of where santa has kept someone from the Gospel
But I can give plenty of instances where I've heard people they don't like Christianity because of how uptight and hypocritical we can be by doing things like, hm, calling Christmas evil.
Has your conviction to not celebrate Christmas, and decry anyone and everyone who does celebrate Christmas, furthered the Gospel of Christ in any way?
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/12/2009 5:14:42 PM
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I cannot give an instance of where santa has kept someone from the Gospel, but I can give you an instance of each year Christians with whole nations colaberating in the biggest lie this side of Eden, namely that santa;
a. Is real.
b. All knowing.
c. All seeing.
d. Has the power to reward or punish.
Hold on! This is beginning to sound familiar!! Oh yes, I am confusing it with the bible and our trinitarian God and Creator.
So first you equate Santa Clause to Satan and now you equate Santa Clause to God. Which is it Tammy???????
You may have noticed that I was in fact responding to someone else's post, therefore you need to read it in context!!
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/12/2009 5:21:04 PM
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I cannot give an instance of where santa has kept someone from the Gospel
But I can give plenty of instances where I've heard people they don't like Christianity because of how uptight and hypocritical we can be by doing things like, hm, calling Christmas evil.
Has your conviction to not celebrate Christmas, and decry anyone and everyone who does celebrate Christmas, furthered the Gospel of Christ in any way?
If you took the time to read through each post instead of judging, you would find that your observation is not only wrong, but also unwelcome.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/12/2009 5:29:07 PM
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If you took the time to read through each post instead of judging, you would find that your observation is not only wrong, but also unwelcome.
I made an observation and asked a question. I notice you didn't answer my question.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/12/2009 6:26:24 PM
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I honestly believe that the post is self explanitory!!
Tammy,
If your post is self-explanatory then obviously I am too thick to understand it.
I understand your reservations about Santa and Christmas in general. But I can't understand what it is that you wish.
Do you want the whole world to exclude Santa out of their festivities? This won't happen.
Do you want all Christians to stop celebrating Christmas through food and drink, and gifts and trees, and garlands and ribbons, and singing and dancing and Santa too? That won't happen either.
We all seem to have accepted your argument that Santa is a fable, a fictional character and a lie even. But we cannot see or understand what the fuss is all about.
He is and has been a part of Christmas for ages without causing any apparent harm to Christianity, society, or the upbringing of children.
So what is the one major objection you have about him; and how do you wish to remedy this.
I'm not being critical of you Tammy, because I respect you and like your other Threads. I just don't understand you on this one.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/13/2009 2:52:38 AM
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ORIGINAL: Memaw.
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By post is semi-tongue in cheek, and semi not!
I guess the seriousness of this thread is in question even by the author. 
If celebrating Christmas is sinful and wrong for you, then don't do it.
I won't make you stumble...but I hope you give the same respect.
How you came to that conclusion after reading all my posts is beyond me! If you look again you will discover that I have said that I prefer low key celebrations at Christmas.
Since I don't know how to do the multiple quotes, I'll have to do it the way I know how...
The following quotes are taken from your posts:
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With the west being more prone to celebrating a Christless Christmas, should real Christians celebrate it quietly without all of the wordly razzamatazz, glitter, greed and the trimmings?
This makes it seem as though those who do want a tree, trimmings and glitter are not real Christians.
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True Christians don't need a special day of the year to celebrate the birth of the Saviour. All I am suggesting is that we are buying in more to the worlds idea of Christmas, which in reality is anti-Christian.
This too seems as though you are saying those Christians who do choose to celebrate Christmas on December 25 are worldly and anti-Christian.
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I do celebrate Christmas, but prefer it to be low key and not be drawn into the worlds twisted idea of Christmas.
This is your preference, which no one has said was wrong, if I choose a different way, is my way twisted?
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Surely, as Christians we are called to a life of simplicity? If so, how can we live that way and still live in a way that allows the world to dictate to us how Christmas should be celebrated.
A life of simplicity? Who makes the guidelines for this?
Your measure of simplicity may not be the same as mine.
(Scripture please for a life of simplicity.)
BTW, I do not bow to any person, so no human dictates to me how I celebrate Christmas.
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Christmas 1999/New Year 2000 - during that particular period of festivities which lasted for about 7 weeks in total, when we take into account the run up to Christmas and the period up to and including New Year (2nd Jan). During that particular 7 weeks, 36 billion pounds were spent on presents etc. On Christmas day alone, it is reckoned that 1/2 million pounds in food alone was binned, put down to waste.
Were you or your family part of this massive amount of spending and waste?
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Glad I am not a lone voice concerning satan (oops) I mean santa. Its so easy to get these ones who guise as angels of light mixed up!!
This appears to be saying that anyone who does bring santa into their childrens' little world is actually following satan.
Tammy, I truly appreciate your views on this topic and I really do understand them, but you have to understand that not everyone has the same views.
If I choose to put up a tree, decorate it with tinsel and place gifts under it for my children and grandchildren, and delight with joy to see their little faces light up, yet you do not choose that way, does that make one of us "more" Christian than the other?
If I choose to not have a "low key" celebration, am I really wrong?
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/13/2009 3:18:17 AM
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Memaw said, "Tammy, I truly appreciate your views on this topic and I really do understand them, but you have to understand that not everyone has the same views."
Welcome to the world of debate!
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/13/2009 3:24:00 AM
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I honestly believe that the post is self explanitory!!
Tammy,
If your post is self-explanatory then obviously I am too thick to understand it.
I understand your reservations about Santa and Christmas in general. But I can't understand what it is that you wish.
Do you want the whole world to exclude Santa out of their festivities? This won't happen.
Do you want all Christians to stop celebrating Christmas through food and drink, and gifts and trees, and garlands and ribbons, and singing and dancing and Santa too? That won't happen either.
We all seem to have accepted your argument that Santa is a fable, a fictional character and a lie even. But we cannot see or understand what the fuss is all about.
He is and has been a part of Christmas for ages without causing any apparent harm to Christianity, society, or the upbringing of children.
So what is the one major objection you have about him; and how do you wish to remedy this.
I'm not being critical of you Tammy, because I respect you and like your other Threads. I just don't understand you on this one.
OK! I concede that it wasn't as self explanitory as I had hoped. What I was saying was that when you look at how people view santa, and who we know God to be is too close for comfort.
Are some people capable of confusing the two? Sadly, I think that they are in this post-modern, post-Christian, pluralistic society in which we live.
What do I want? Very simply, open and honest debate where concerns and opinions are aired, which we seem to be achieving.
Will we agree on everything? Do we ever? 
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/13/2009 3:28:14 AM
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If you took the time to read through each post instead of judging, you would find that your observation is not only wrong, but also unwelcome.
I made an observation and asked a question. I notice you didn't answer my question.
Your question is a non-question because it does not reflect my position.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/13/2009 3:40:26 AM
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Hang in there Tartan you are on the right track!. If these people want to follow pagan worship that is their choice..How ridiculous is that following a day that is not Biblical, in honour of the sun god of ancient Babylon and later Rome, and then some weird mythical creature named santa. As a society we cannot keep God's commandments, but we sure jump at a chance to follow these pagan days and pagan figures..
God bless us all
Know the truth and the truth will set you free
Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/13/2009 6:00:36 AM
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Hang in there Tartan you are on the right track!. If these people want to follow pagan worship that is their choice..How ridiculous is that following a day that is not Biblical, in honour of the sun god of ancient Babylon and later Rome, and then some weird mythical creature named santa. As a society we cannot keep God's commandments, but we sure jump at a chance to follow these pagan days and pagan figures..
God bless us all
Know the truth and the truth will set you free
Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy.
Thank you for your encouragement.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/13/2009 8:41:52 AM
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Hang in there Tartan you are on the right track!. If these people want to follow pagan worship that is their choice..How ridiculous is that following a day that is not Biblical, in honour of the sun god of ancient Babylon and later Rome, and then some weird mythical creature named santa. As a society we cannot keep God's commandments, but we sure jump at a chance to follow these pagan days and pagan figures..
God bless us all
Know the truth and the truth will set you free
Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy.
Let's pretend that you decided to have a day in which you celebrate with your children. You decide that there are certain activities that you will do on this day. It goes really well. You decide to continue doing it every year until they are grown. As they grow up, you share this idea with others. They begin to emulate your idea. Flash forward for 3 centuries... Lo and behold, millions of people are now emulating your idea. Are they now pagans?
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/13/2009 10:32:35 AM
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If you try and call yourself a Christian and follow pagan days what do call yourself? You will have to answer that yourself? God is the one who is supposed to command the Holy days that He wants us to follow. Too many religions teach, they can make any day they want Holy, as does the Roman church right from the beginning of it's existence. As Jesus said "You follow the commandments of man, and not the Commandments of God! These pagan days with your "family" maybe all warm and fuzzy to you, but do you think God is impressed?
God bless us all
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Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/13/2009 10:33:50 AM
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Hmmm...I'd never consider Christmas a "holy" day.
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Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/13/2009 10:34:33 AM
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but do you think God is impressed?
Yes I do. I think it blesses Him to see His people joyously celebrating His birth.
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