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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/9/2009 10:45:46 AM
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TheTartanTammy
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It is not a question of a Christian going to hell, it is a question of what it means to walk in the light that the Lord provides. I prefer, as much as possible to walk in the light, not in the shades of dark that satan provides
To say that my dressing up like Santa is to walk in the shades of dark that satan provides is a sermon too far Tammy.
Methinks you're losing credibility on this one.
We've agreed that Christmas has been commercialised and the true message of Christmas diluted. But to blame it all on Santa is unfair.
I bet he won't be visiting you this Christmas. You've upset him.
I have the greatest respect for you, but I believe that you are now twisting your own words in an attempt to avoid the real issue. Walking inthe light is nothing to do with dressing as santa, telling deliberate lies is.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/9/2009 11:47:00 AM
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Thanks for the fun, Tammy! We have some real die hard's here don't we?
There is one thing that can be changed about Christmas. That's the date. I propose that we Christians ban together and get it off the 25th of Dec. I'm talking about Christ's birth. Let them have their 'Christmas' on the 25th, but let us, as Christians pick another date for the real celebration.
Lets pick a date away from the Holidays. I've always felt they come too close together. Makes me exhausted every year, and glad when it's over.
In the US we have Halloween, a month later Thanksgiving, a month later Christmas, a week later, New Years. A boring January, then Valentines day. You probably don't celebrate a Thanksgiving so close in. Oh, well, it's just a thought.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/9/2009 12:01:12 PM
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Hi Tammy,
I really don't know where this Thread is leading to.
It started with the commercialisation of Christmas and how the real meaning of the event has been diluted through the years.
I've agreed with you several times on this one. Christianity itself, not just Christmas, is under real pressure here in Britain, and I suspect elsewhere too.
Then we moved on to Santa. I said he is only a bit of fun. You saw him as contributing to a lie.
Now the Thread has moved on to walking in the light (or darkness) and the contribution lies make to this.
Again, I agree with you that lies are wrong and contrary to the 9th Commandment.
But there are lies and then there are lies.
A young man who tells his elderly mother that he is perfectly OK when he knows full well he is suffering from a serious disease is of course lying. But with good intentions. His breaking of the Commandment will not, in my view, send him to hell.
And neither will a parent telling his children that Santa is coming down the chimney.
So I ask you, most sincerely and humbly, do you consider both examples above as lies leading to hell?
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/9/2009 12:35:58 PM
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mvic said, "But there are lies and then there are lies.
A young man who tells his elderly mother that he is perfectly OK when he knows full well he is suffering from a serious disease is of course lying. But with good intentions. His breaking of the Commandment will not, in my view, send him to hell. And neither will a parent telling his children that Santa is coming down the chimney. So I ask you, most sincerely and humbly, do you consider both examples above as lies leading to hell?"
You are the only one bringing hell into it! Where is the thread going? Where it has always been going;
I said, " With the onset of August, Christmas begins to creep into our thinking more and more ( )! But seriously! With the west being more prone to celebrating a Christless Christmas, should real Christians celebrate it quietly without all of the wordly razzamatazz, glitter, greed and the trimmings?
It seems to me if they (the world) want to do Christmas without Christ, then we should want to do it without all stuff that just makes it a sham!
Any thoughts?
P.S. As an aside, is it wrong for Christians to teach their children about a Santa who doesn't exist, whilst the world ignore a God who does?"
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/9/2009 12:39:38 PM
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Thanks for the fun, Tammy! We have some real die hard's here don't we?
There is one thing that can be changed about Christmas. That's the date. I propose that we Christians ban together and get it off the 25th of Dec. I'm talking about Christ's birth. Let them have their 'Christmas' on the 25th, but let us, as Christians pick another date for the real celebration.
Lets pick a date away from the Holidays. I've always felt they come too close together. Makes me exhausted every year, and glad when it's over.
In the US we have Halloween, a month later Thanksgiving, a month later Christmas, a week later, New Years. A boring January, then Valentines day. You probably don't celebrate a Thanksgiving so close in. Oh, well, it's just a thought.
bj
Nice thought, the problem being that very often in the Christian life, the closer that you seek to walk closer to the truth, the further away from others we seem to get!
I recently joined a drama group, they for practical reasons celebrate Christmas in July, mainly because they are too busy with productions between Nov and Apr. Maybe we could adopt their idea!!
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/9/2009 12:50:51 PM
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I don't understand the fuss, Jesus wasn't even born on that date any way..wasn't it a celebration of some thing else before it became christmas?
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/9/2009 12:58:25 PM
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I don't understand the fuss, Jesus wasn't even born on that date any way..wasn't it a celebration of some thing else before it became christmas?
Absolutely, but sadly it is a huge fuss for a number of reasons;
1. It is a multi-billion pound/dollar industry worldwide.
2. Whilst the west goes Christmas crazy each year, tens of thousands die of starvation etc at the same time throughout the world.
3. The west which is becoming increasingly God denying is happy to enjoy Christmas, in one breath whilst denying our Lord with another.
4. Sadly, far too many Christians get drawn in each year on the commercial merry go round.
5. What is meant to be one day takes up the last quarter of each year.
Yes, a huge fuss!
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/9/2009 1:14:28 PM
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No harp playing for me... the Bible says,
Psa 84:11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
So there will be a 9' Stienway Grand Piano for me practice on for eternity...
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/9/2009 1:26:38 PM
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Christmas..aww yes gives people a warm and fuzzy feeling..all the goodies and complements of the season!
Bah Humburg......Dec 25th and the day we call Christmas, has nothing Christian about it except the first part of the name. It is strictly a pagan day dedicated to the winter solstice by the early Babylonians, many years prior to Jesus birth. They had celebrations at that time of the year for sun god worship, and this is also where the decorating the tree comes in as well. (Check what God thinks of this in Jeremiah 10). Rome, in the early Christian era carried forward this tradition, and decided to combine it with Christian events..from this Rome, also brought us the pagan oriented holiday easter.. The Gospels supprort that Jesus was born in September. As Jesus teachings say, why do you follow the traditions of man, and keep not my commandments? (Matthew 15 (7-9). and Mark 7 (7-9). Good old Rome brought us a lot of false and pagan customs and days which we are encumbered by, even to this day!
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/9/2009 4:33:16 PM
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Whilst the west goes Christmas crazy each year, tens of thousands die of starvation etc at the same time throughout the world.
Tammy, could you have survived on less calories than you consumed yesterday?
If you could have; then why did you not and give the excess to some poor starving Pigmy in Borneo.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/9/2009 6:42:27 PM
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 2:53:56 AM
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Whilst the west goes Christmas crazy each year, tens of thousands die of starvation etc at the same time throughout the world.
Tammy, could you have survived on less calories than you consumed yesterday?
If you could have; then why did you not and give the excess to some poor starving Pigmy in Borneo.
Thanks
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Sounds like an attempt to lead us down a blind alley, by side stepping the real issue! Nice try RC, but it won't work this time.
Also, a but insensative to the starving of the world!!!!
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 2:57:53 AM
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No harp playing for me... the Bible says,
Psa 84:11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
So there will be a 9' Stienway Grand Piano for me practice on for eternity...
Sorry! I don't see the relevance of this post in relation to the thread!!
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 3:05:14 AM
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Whilst the west goes Christmas crazy each year, tens of thousands die of starvation etc at the same time throughout the world.
If this means it is sinful for Christians to participate in Christmas, then where are your threads decrying Hummers, name brand clothes, and potato chips?
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 3:26:08 AM
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I don't understand the fuss, Jesus wasn't even born on that date any way..wasn't it a celebration of some thing else before it became christmas?
Exactly. Christmas was originally a pagan festival which was 'Christianized' so as to make it more acceptable, and Jesus actual birthday was around September/October time, at the Feast of Tabernacles...so if you're genuinely wanting to celebrate Jesus' birthday, at least do it at the right time and celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles instead of Christmas.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 3:29:39 AM
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Christmas..aww yes gives people a warm and fuzzy feeling..all the goodies and complements of the season!
Bah Humburg......Dec 25th and the day we call Christmas, has nothing Christian about it except the first part of the name. It is strictly a pagan day dedicated to the winter solstice by the early Babylonians, many years prior to Jesus birth. They had celebrations at that time of the year for sun god worship, and this is also where the decorating the tree comes in as well. (Check what God thinks of this in Jeremiah 10). Rome, in the early Christian era carried forward this tradition, and decided to combine it with Christian events..from this Rome, also brought us the pagan oriented holiday easter.. The Gospels supprort that Jesus was born in September. As Jesus teachings say, why do you follow the traditions of man, and keep not my commandments? (Matthew 15 (7-9). and Mark 7 (7-9). Good old Rome brought us a lot of false and pagan customs and days which we are encumbered by, even to this day!
Know the truth and the truth will set you free
Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy
God bless us all.
Totally agree... 
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 5:57:19 AM
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Whilst the west goes Christmas crazy each year, tens of thousands die of starvation etc at the same time throughout the world.
If this means it is sinful for Christians to participate in Christmas, then where are your threads decrying Hummers, name brand clothes, and potato chips?
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 5:59:04 AM
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I don't understand the fuss, Jesus wasn't even born on that date any way..wasn't it a celebration of some thing else before it became christmas?
Exactly. Christmas was originally a pagan festival which was 'Christianized' so as to make it more acceptable, and Jesus actual birthday was around September/October time, at the Feast of Tabernacles...so if you're genuinely wanting to celebrate Jesus' birthday, at least do it at the right time and celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles instead of Christmas.
How does celebrating the Feast of the Tabernacles only serve Christianity?
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Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 8:50:10 AM
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I wasn't even thinking about Christmas till this thread....
Now I want turkey!
And Christmas cookies, and stuffing, and candied yams, and cornbread dressing, and punkin' pie, and...... 
Me too! I'm coming to your house to get it. 
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 10:31:46 AM
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What puzzles me is that the OP condemns the trappings, santa, etc. while still accepting a converted pagan holiday. The line seems to be blurred a bit.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 10:35:52 AM
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I do celebrate Christmas, but prefer it to be low key and not be drawn into the worlds twisted idea of Christmas. Sure, Christmas can be celebrated with quite family time and gifts with more meaning than dollar signs.
It can also be celebrated with lights and ribbons and garland and trees and ornaments and lots of loud laughter and expensive presents.
Neither one is more right or more wrong. Just different strokes for different folks.
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Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 10:41:04 AM
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I do a tree, a few other decorations and little money spent on gifts. Other Christians celebrate it differently. As long as a person is at peace with Christ about how they choose to celebrate or not celebrate, I'm cool with that.
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