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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 9/10/2009 1:38:05 PM
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cow451
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So, are people still worried about the birth certificate thing, or not?
Some folks are, but it seems to be more of a question of why he will not just release a certified copy of the "Life Birth Certificate", of which he has not. I figure it is not a conspiracy on his part; just arrogance.
The state of Hawaii-- the only legal authority that can--- has certified it. There is no other authority, including the President.
I have a certified copy of my live birth certificate signed by the doctor, my parents, and the folks who filed it; but Obama will not produce his.
Illegal alien, probably not; just arrogant beyond extreme.
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Certified by who?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 9/10/2009 1:41:37 PM
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he did produce it...it is the state certified copy that has been shown OVER and OVER and OVER again.......
I don't have in MY possession a certified copy of my birth certificate.....but I can apply for one (for a fee) or I can (if I were running for public office) pay to have it released to the courts...which is what Obama did.
Is he arrogant? NO DOUBT...but it has nothing to do with the birth certifcate.
come on...get a grip and get over the lousy Birth certificate. It's time to man up and deal with the real issues.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 9/10/2009 3:13:39 PM
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he did produce it...it is the state certified copy that has been shown OVER and OVER and OVER again.......
I don't have in MY possession a certified copy of my birth certificate.....but I can apply for one (for a fee) or I can (if I were running for public office) pay to have it released to the courts...which is what Obama did.
Is he arrogant? NO DOUBT...but it has nothing to do with the birth certifcate.
come on...get a grip and get over the lousy Birth certificate. It's time to man up and deal with the real issues.
The one produced is not the "ORIGINAL" live birth Certificate, which in Hawaii is a longer form than the "FILE" cople that anyone could manufacter. I am not saying that it was manufactored, but could have been for it is not the "ORIGINAL LIVE BIRTH" certificate.
I am not a birther by any stretch, but also do not like the president not being forthcoming. I would like to see his Papers and know more about his time in Columbia, what did he study, what were his grades, where did he live, who were his friends, who paid for his trip to Pakistan, all of which Obama claims to have forgotten.
I know that he states that he took a lot of dope during that periond, but come on now. If he took that much dope he probably damaged him brain.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 9/10/2009 3:19:56 PM
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he did produce it...it is the state certified copy that has been shown OVER and OVER and OVER again.......
Well HERE is a link to his Kenyan birth certificate.
Maybe Obama would submit to a comparision of the footprint?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 9/10/2009 5:08:18 PM
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he did produce it...it is the state certified copy that has been shown OVER and OVER and OVER again.......
Well HERE is a link to his Kenyan birth certificate.
Maybe Obama would submit to a comparision of the footprint?
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So, we are to believe that this concerned citizen bribed a Kenyan official into giving a "true photocopy"? There is no court in America that would admit that kind of "evidence". You want to say hawaii should produce original documents, but that birthers can slide by with a copy. Can't have it both ways.
You cannot compare a photocopy of a footprint that is of such poor quality.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 9/10/2009 5:13:13 PM
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he did produce it...it is the state certified copy that has been shown OVER and OVER and OVER again.......
I don't have in MY possession a certified copy of my birth certificate.....but I can apply for one (for a fee) or I can (if I were running for public office) pay to have it released to the courts...which is what Obama did.
Is he arrogant? NO DOUBT...but it has nothing to do with the birth certifcate.
come on...get a grip and get over the lousy Birth certificate. It's time to man up and deal with the real issues.
The one produced is not the "ORIGINAL" live birth Certificate, which in Hawaii is a longer form than the "FILE" cople that anyone could manufacter. I am not saying that it was manufactored, but could have been for it is not the "ORIGINAL LIVE BIRTH" certificate.
I am not a birther by any stretch, but also do not like the president not being forthcoming. I would like to see his Papers and know more about his time in Columbia, what did he study, what were his grades, where did he live, who were his friends, who paid for his trip to Pakistan, all of which Obama claims to have forgotten.
I know that he states that he took a lot of dope during that periond, but come on now. If he took that much dope he probably damaged him brain.
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not every hospital issues those live birth papers to the parents...not every person has access to theirs. I do not have mine...my mother lost it in a move when I was a child....so if I were in his position...I could not produce it.
Again.....while this is interesting...HOW does it help us address the actual issues that are happening NOW? He is president. He has been certified as validly elected. WE cannot change that nearly 2 years into his presidency.....so why keep dragging a dead and stinking horse around when there are wild mules to catch?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 9/12/2009 4:56:41 PM
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The official in charge of Vital records for the State of Hawaii has explicitly stated that the birth certificate meets all legal requirements.
If Obama took that "Certificate" that is being circulated to get a passport, they would refuse because it is not a certified copy.
I just went through the passport process and had to get a signed certified copy of my original birth certificate from the Bureau of Vital Statistics in the State where I was born. No seal, no certification, then the peice of paper is worthless junk.
The same type birth certificate is required for a driver's liscense here in Oklahoma; no signature, no seal, no driver's liscense.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 9/12/2009 8:05:41 PM
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If Obama took that "Certificate" that is being circulated to get a passport, they would refuse because it is not a certified copy.
I just went through the passport process and had to get a signed certified copy of my original birth certificate from the Bureau of Vital Statistics in the State where I was born. No seal, no certification, then the peice of paper is worthless junk.
With all due respect, RC - you're facts are incorrect (not that anyone really cares about the facts on this issue).
Here's a link to an article from FactCheck.org (a non-partisan research organization that is plenty hard on both sides of the political spectrum) that includes actual high resolution photos of the birth certificate, including the raised seal, the certified signature, and a description of the document from people who have actually seen and handled it.
Obama Birth Certificate Details
I'm sure none of this will change anyone's opinion - it honestly seems that the facts just don't matter anymore.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 9/12/2009 8:53:29 PM
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If Obama took that "Certificate" that is being circulated to get a passport, they would refuse because it is not a certified copy.
I just went through the passport process and had to get a signed certified copy of my original birth certificate from the Bureau of Vital Statistics in the State where I was born. No seal, no certification, then the peice of paper is worthless junk.
With all due respect, RC - you're facts are incorrect ......
I'm sure none of this will change anyone's opinion - it honestly seems that the facts just don't matter anymore.
ISN'T that the truth.....but people would rather focus on conspiracy theories, and not a real citizen theories than face the real and actual dangers that are coming out of this administration faster than a cow can moo when milked with cold hands......
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 9/14/2009 12:54:51 PM
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The official in charge of Vital records for the State of Hawaii has explicitly stated that the birth certificate meets all legal requirements.
If Obama took that "Certificate" that is being circulated to get a passport, they would refuse because it is not a certified copy.
I just went through the passport process and had to get a signed certified copy of my original birth certificate from the Bureau of Vital Statistics in the State where I was born. No seal, no certification, then the peice of paper is worthless junk.
The same type birth certificate is required for a driver's liscense here in Oklahoma; no signature, no seal, no driver's liscense.
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RC
In case you haven't been noticing... the President has had a passport for many years. He got his the same way everybody else did at the time. I've been through the passport process and the birth certificate I got looks nearly identical to the President's.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 9/14/2009 1:17:10 PM
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In case you haven't been noticing... the President has had a passport for many years. He got his the same way everybody else did at the time. I've been through the passport process and the birth certificate I got looks nearly identical to the President's.
*GASP****
You aren't a real american?
OH MY!?!?!?!?!?!
ROFL.
sorry...couldn't resist.
But you are right cow....the President has a US passport as well as a US driver's license...I somehow think his birth certificate passed those inspections.......
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 9/18/2009 12:20:22 PM
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Another Birther lawsuit jack-slapped out of court. Birther Queen attorney filed suit for military doctor trying to dodge deployment.
First, Plaintiff’s challenge to her deployment
order is frivolous. She has presented no credible evidence and has
made no reliable factual allegations to support her unsubstantiated,
conclusory allegations and conjecture that President Obama is
ineligible to serve as President of the United States. Instead, she
uses her Complaint as a platform for spouting political rhetoric
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RE: Truth Seekers Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 9/18/2009 1:03:50 PM
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Here's a good link regarding this topic:
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
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It is correct that questions have been asked regarding our now President Obama’s birth place and the fact the issues of Obama’s citizenship is all over the internet, however, the rest of the assertions are inaccurate. The only document purporting to be Mr. Obama’s birth certificate was actually a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth [COLB], an image of which was placed on Obama’s campaign website in June of 2008. It is important to note, Hawaii also issues Certification of Live Births to children born abroad upon the registration by a family member of the birth. A Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth is issued to children who are United States “natural born” citizens as well as “naturalized” citizens, who did not qualify for “natural born” status. quote:
Take for instance, Maya Soetoro, Mr. Obama’s half-sister who was born in Jakarta, Indonesia in 1970, she too has a Certification of Live Birth, however, she is not a United States “natural born” citizen. There are serious questions as to the Associated Press, Honolulu’s recent statements that Dr. Fukino, the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health stated she has verified Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack H. Obama was in fact born in Hawaii. If you recall October 31, 2008 and early November 2008, this same paper, AP, Honolulu ran an article stating Dr. Fukino and Hawaii Governmental Officials had in fact verified that Barack H. Obama was born in Hawaii. This is completely false, if you look at Dr. Fukino’s Press Release dated October 31, 2008, no where is it stated Barack H. Obama was born in Hawaii or that any person verified that he was born in Hawaii. Instead, what it stated was Dr. Fukino along with the Hawaiian Registrar had verified Barack H. Obama’s birth certificate was on file according to the laws of Hawaii. At no time prior to AP Honolulu’s July 28, 2009 story, which is questionable, has any Hawaii Official, including Linda Lingle, backed up the claim that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
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RE: Truth Seekers Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 9/18/2009 1:38:40 PM
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ORIGINAL: looktotheeast
Here's a good link regarding this topic:
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
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It is correct that questions have been asked regarding our now President Obama’s birth place and the fact the issues of Obama’s citizenship is all over the internet, however, the rest of the assertions are inaccurate. The only document purporting to be Mr. Obama’s birth certificate was actually a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth [COLB], an image of which was placed on Obama’s campaign website in June of 2008. It is important to note, Hawaii also issues Certification of Live Births to children born abroad upon the registration by a family member of the birth. A Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth is issued to children who are United States “natural born” citizens as well as “naturalized” citizens, who did not qualify for “natural born” status. quote:
Take for instance, Maya Soetoro, Mr. Obama’s half-sister who was born in Jakarta, Indonesia in 1970, she too has a Certification of Live Birth, however, she is not a United States “natural born” citizen. There are serious questions as to the Associated Press, Honolulu’s recent statements that Dr. Fukino, the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health stated she has verified Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack H. Obama was in fact born in Hawaii. If you recall October 31, 2008 and early November 2008, this same paper, AP, Honolulu ran an article stating Dr. Fukino and Hawaii Governmental Officials had in fact verified that Barack H. Obama was born in Hawaii. This is completely false, if you look at Dr. Fukino’s Press Release dated October 31, 2008, no where is it stated Barack H. Obama was born in Hawaii or that any person verified that he was born in Hawaii. Instead, what it stated was Dr. Fukino along with the Hawaiian Registrar had verified Barack H. Obama’s birth certificate was on file according to the laws of Hawaii. At no time prior to AP Honolulu’s July 28, 2009 story, which is questionable, has any Hawaii Official, including Linda Lingle, backed up the claim that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
All of this is interesting, but meaningless. The accuser has the burden of proof and nothing has been put forward that repudiates the State of Hawaii's determination that he is a citizen.
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RE: Truth Seekers Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 9/18/2009 3:15:02 PM
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As they say here in the South... "watch that Bill Clinton... he is a slick-'un"! How best was this phrase demonstrated than during his recent interview on ABC news... where his comments continue to generate incessant rumors at the grass root level, regarding Senator Obama's constitutional qualifications for the office of President. Clinton, the masterful dean and inventor of message innuendo said, when asked by ABC correspondent Snow about Obama being completely qualified to be President:
"The Constitution sets qualifications for the president, and then the people decide who they think would be the better president".
Bill Clinton
Did Bill want us to read between the lines
so Hillary would get it hands down? LOL
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RE: Truth Seekers Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 9/18/2009 3:22:34 PM
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Funny how a conspiracy is tossed because it's a conspiracy.............LOL
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