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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/22/2009 6:59:40 AM
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Bettawrekonize
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Looks like a good idea at first; But here's what happens. Congress puts forth a bill full of freebies, for "losers in life's lottery" as Dick Gephart put it, and of course, the 'rich' will pay for all of it. Popular vote result: LANDSLIDE VICTORY! Franklin said that a democracy was two wolves, and a lamb, deciding what's for dinner. Our represenatives are supposed to represent us, and the Senate is supposed to represent the State. I'll let you determine how they're doing on that.
Actually I'm sick and tired of the government passing laws that benefit the rich and the powerful and no one else (and acting in the best interest of the rich and the powerful and no one else). For one thing, the government already funds a lot of the medical R&D yet the pharmaceuticals profit from those drugs (with patents) as though they put the money to invest in it (see The FDA and health post 4. Heck, Bayer got away with selling Aids Tainted blood and the FDA allowed it and no one in the U.S got in trouble. They ban red yeast rice containing more than just trace amounts of lovastatin although Red yeast rice naturally contains more than just trace amounts of lovastatin and has been used by the chinese for hundreds of years in order to prevent it from competing with lovastatin, despite the fact that it's shown to be safer and more effective than many of the statin drugs out there, yet they legalize cigarettes which have killed many). The government consistently passes laws that favor the rich and the powerful at the expense of everyone else and they consistently act in the best interest of the rich and the powerful at the expense of everyone else. Then this stuff hardly ever makes it on mainstream media because the cable companies and such have a government sanctioned monopoly (thanks to their lobbying efforts that benefit only them by eliminating competition) over the cable infrastructure making it easier for special interest groups to control such information. So if anyone are the losers it's the rich and the powerful that can't compete in the free market so they must resort to lobbying the government for laws that benefit only them and pretending like those laws are somehow intended to benefit society. This shouldn't be about what's best for the rich and the powerful (which is all the U.S. government seems to care about), it should be about what's best for society. It seems like all the rich and the powerful think about is themselves and what laws are best for them, with no regard for what's best for society as a whole (even if that means passing laws to restrict the free market in ways that only benefit them). Then they claim to be pro free - market but they're only pro free market to the extent that it benefit them, to the extent that the free market benefits the general population where restrictions could benefit the the rich and the powerful (even if at the cost of everyone else) they want to restrict the free market and pretend those restrictions are somehow in the best interest of society.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/22/2009 11:20:19 AM
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See Post  above (ie, (see The FDA and health post 4). I would read and study all the posts and links on that thread, to start with.
Here is another example of a government grant.
Date:2/12/2008
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CARLSBAD, Calif., Feb. 12 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Isis Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (Nasdaq: ISIS) announced today that its majority-owned subsidiary, Ibis Biosciences, Inc. (Ibis), has been awarded two new Phase 2 Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR) grants and a new government contract totaling up to approximately $2.8 million.
Isis Announces Approximately $2.8 Million in Government Grants and Contracts Awarded to its Ibis Subsidiary to Advance Ibis' Pathogen Identification Technology
and when drugs do come into the market they should not be patented by anyone since the government funded the R&D.
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"The ongoing government support we received enables us to broaden the utility of the T5000 System in new applications such as blood supply screening, where there is a need to expand the breadth of screening technologies to identify all important organisms," said Michael Treble, President of Ibis and Vice President of Isis.
(emphasis added, same link).
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/22/2009 11:30:42 AM
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Bettawrekonize
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See Post above (ie, (see The FDA and health post 4). I would read and study all the posts and links on that thread, to start with.
Also see the red yeast rice and health thread post 38 for more examples of the government funding research and development and then granting pharmaceuticals monopolies.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/22/2009 11:44:26 AM
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Personally I am not sure what R&D grants have to do with the current healthcare proposals; in fact I don't think it really does anything about them at all.
To sum up (and return to what is actually being discussed by this administration vis a vis helathcare) it doesn't appear that the current plan will actually cut costs, improve efficiencies, improve quality, or allow the flexibility earlier promised by the President. And contra his direct promise, the average families premium is not going to be reduced $2500.
What will almost certainly happen is that the federal government, already in unprecedented debt, will accrue increasingly more debt, become more centralized and imposing, create less efficiency and more brueaucracy, reduce quality over all, reduce the incomes of health care professionals and profits of healthcare facilities, and reduce our choices of health palns, so we all have the same low quality care.
Of course, the benefit is that this bad care will be shared by a wider number of people, so there is some semblance of equality threre, which after all is the goal of liberalism.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/22/2009 12:02:38 PM
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Personally I am not sure what R&D grants have to do with the current healthcare proposals; in fact I don't think it really does anything about them at all.
It is relevant because a lot of the discussion is related to how pharmaceuticals are funded and part of the argument is that pharmaceuticals require huge R&D costs but the counter argument is that the government already funds much of the R&D and pharmaceutical corporations spend more on marketing and advertising than they do on R&D.
Another example of a more recent grant (though it doesn't say for how much, I imagine it's probably for a few million).
21. July 2009 20:32
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Parabon NanoLabs, a leading designer and manufacturer of breakthrough products at the nanoscale, announced today its award of a National Science Foundation (NSF) Small Business Innovative Research (SBIR) grant.
The grant will be used to demonstrate the viability of a new class of anticancer molecules that are engineered to automatically self-assemble from interlocking strands of synthetic DNA.
Parabon NanoLabs awarded research grant to develop novel cancer therapeutics
How much do you want to bet that this grant leads nowhere or that it leads to a very expensive patented product that doesn't improve things much. Just like in post 38 under the red yeast rice thread, these pharmaceuticals promise the world, the government grants them all this money, then the pharmaceuticals deliver nothing.
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To sum up (and return to what is actually being discussed by this administration vis a vis helathcare) it doesn't appear that the current plan will actually cut costs, improve efficiencies, improve quality, or allow the flexibility earlier promised by the President.
I don't necessarily disagree with you (the government is a wasteful entity and I find it hard to believe this will help the government become less wasteful) but what we already have is a mess where the government funds special interest groups to exploit the public. its_GO_time calls the people who would take advantage of such a system the "losers in life's lottery" as if the poor are the losers and the rich are somehow superior but the truth is that the only "losers in life's lottery" are the rich who can't compete in the free market so they lobby the government to hold their hand and give them money and grant them government sanctioned monopolies (ie: cable companies and pharmaceuticals).
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/22/2009 12:17:12 PM
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Personally I am not sure what R&D grants have to do with the current healthcare proposals; in fact I don't think it really does anything about them at all.
The subject came up on Page 2; Post #'s 28, 29, 38 & 39.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/22/2009 1:01:23 PM
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It is relevant because a lot of the discussion is related to how pharmaceuticals are funded and part of the argument is that pharmaceuticals require huge R&D costs but the counter argument is that the government already funds much of the R&D and pharmaceutical corporations spend more on marketing and advertising than they do on R&D.
Another example of a more recent grant (though it doesn't say for how much, I imagine it's probably for a few million).
I understand 'why' it might be relevant, and I understand it has come up previously (and might be interesting in it's own right), but my point is the current healthcare reform, to my knowledge, doesn't address this at all, so I don't think it is pertinent to the current discussion of the legislation that is underway as we speak.
In short, it's a bit of distraction from what is really happening.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you (the government is a wasteful entity and I find it hard to believe this will help the government become less wasteful) but what we already have is a mess where the government funds special interest groups to exploit the public. its_GO_time calls the people who would take advantage of such a system the "losers in life's lottery" as if the poor are the losers and the rich are somehow superior but the truth is that the only "losers in life's lottery" are the rich who can't compete in the free market so they lobby the government to hold their hand and give them money and grant them government sanctioned monopolies (ie: cable companies and pharmaceuticals).
Well, I am not rich, and I have health insurance (like over 80% of Americans) and I am more concerned that the current plan will diminish my healthcare than will benefit the few who don't currently have insurance, much more so than that I will be 'exploited' by some nameless rich people. I think being exploited by our government to expand it's own power is much more likely at this juncture.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/22/2009 2:10:24 PM
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but my point is the current healthcare reform, to my knowledge, doesn't address this at all, so I don't think it is pertinent to the current discussion of the legislation that is underway as we speak.
Perhaps an important aspect of the discussion should include if and how the bill addresses this issue. We don't really know whether or not the bill addresses these issues at all because, unfortunately (one of the things we already discussed), these bills are not presented to the public for review before being approved.
As I have already pointed out, Obama said, "I will not sign on to any health plan that adds to our deficits over the next decade. And by helping improve quality and efficiency, the reforms we make will help bring our deficits under control in the long term."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83FvLjsUOJg
He also says, "our proposals cut hundreds of billions of dollars in unnecessary spending and unwarranted giveaways to insurance companies in medicare and medicaid."
He is suggesting that unnecessary spending will be cut and he will make things more efficient. What does that mean exactly and how does that include these issues (does it include these issues)?
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/22/2009 3:46:24 PM
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Perhaps an important aspect of the discussion should include if and how the bill addresses this issue. We don't really know whether or not the bill addresses these issues at all because, unfortunately (one of the things we already discussed), these bills are not presented to the public for review before being approved.
As I have already pointed out, Obama said, "I will not sign on to any health plan that adds to our deficits over the next decade. And by helping improve quality and efficiency, the reforms we make will help bring our deficits under control in the long term."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83FvLjsUOJg
He also says, "our proposals cut hundreds of billions of dollars in unnecessary spending and unwarranted giveaways to insurance companies in medicare and medicaid."
He is suggesting that unnecessary spending will be cut and he will make things more efficient. What does that mean exactly and how does that include these issues (does it include these issues)?
Well, I have to say, at this point I have absolutely no confidence (nor any evidence) that Obama will cut 1 cent out of the budget; indeed, I am quite certain that he will continue to add to it in an unprecedented manner.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/24/2009 4:45:45 PM
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And, which is it here, $19B, or $0.42B?
National Institutes of Health
• $8.5B for biomedical research in areas such as cancer, Alzheimer's, heart disease, stem cells; and to improve NIH facilities.
• $1.5B for NIH to renovate university research facilities and help them compete for biomedical research grants
Total: $10B
Prevention and Comparative Effectiveness Research
• $1B for the Prevention and Wellness Fund - to fight preventable chronic diseases, and infectious diseases
• includes hospital infection prevention, Preventive Health and Health Services Block Grants for state and local public health departments, immunization programs, and evidence-based disease prevention.
• $1.1B to the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, NIH, and HHS to evaluate the relative effectiveness of different health care services and treatment options.
Total: $2.1B
Health Information Technology
• $2B in discretionary funds
• $17B for investments and incentives through Medicare and Medicaid to ensure widespread adoption and use of interoperable health information technology
Total: $19B
Indian Health Service Facilities
• to modernize hospitals and health clinics, and make healthcare technology upgrades to improve healthcare for underserved rural populations.
Total: $0.42B
Again, what's wrong with giving money to these?
And, again, in any event, the fact of the matter is, is that long before the stimulus package came along, our privatized healthcare system was failing, for a long time: failing 40+ million Americans who have no health insurance and do not get adequate care; failing because it was so costly that 'Joe the plumber' can't even pay for it out of his own pocket, therefore having to pool his money with others thru health insurance that is also very costly; failing because Joe the plumbers mom and dad had to sell their house so that they could simply pay for heart surgery; failing families who had to sell their house so that they could pay for surgeries...this, in the richest country in the world? This is outrageous.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/24/2009 5:07:38 PM
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And, again, in any event, the fact of the matter is, is that long before the stimulus package came along, our privatized healthcare system was failing, for a long time: failing 40+ million Americans who have no health insurance and do not get adequate care; failing because it was so costly that 'Joe the plumber' can't even pay for it out of his own pocket, therefore having to pool his money with others thru health insurance that is also very costly; failing because Joe the plumbers mom and dad had to sell their house so that they could simply pay for heart surgery; failing families who had to sell their house so that they could pay for surgeries...this, in the richest country in the world? This is outrageous.
Well again, the popular and misleading '40+' million uninsured Americans is misleading at best:
How Many Americans Are Uninsured? It Depends On Whom You Ask:
A new report by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), "How Many People Lack Health Insurance and For How Long?," paints a portrait of the uninsured population as a far more fluid group than is generally acknowledged: a significant number are chronically uninsured, but many are without insurance for a short period only.
And one of the problems of "uninsurance"—a term commonly used to denote not having health insurance—appears to be one with legs: some people are likely to be insured, uninsured, then insured again within the same year. Short- and long-term states of uninsurance are separate problems that may require distinct policy approaches, the CBO report suggests.
Notably, the CBO report refutes the widely disseminated figure of 40 million uninsured, saying the number of Americans without health insurance for an entire year is more likely to be between 21 million and 31 million.
And among those it's not clear how many are illegal immigrants, or simply don't seek insurance for whatever reason.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/24/2009 6:25:00 PM
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Liza, I don't think she was saying there's something wrong with giving money for those, but that their money should not come from what patients should have to pay for care.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/24/2009 11:50:08 PM
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Liza, I don't think she was saying there's something wrong with giving money for those, but that their money should not come from what patients should have to pay for care.
You are correct; thank you for hearing what I'm saying! None-the-less, some people --- even with Large Font Size in Bold Letters saying it --- just refuse to hear what another is saying; I get very tired wasting my breath repeating stuff over and over again on these type people.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/25/2009 2:32:41 AM
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Well, I have to say, at this point I have absolutely no confidence (nor any evidence) that Obama will cut 1 cent out of the budget; indeed, I am quite certain that he will continue to add to it in an unprecedented manner.
I really hope you're wrong. Unfortunately I don't have a lot of faith in our government. My position is similar to that of Ron Paul's. But maybe some good will come out of Obama's plans, who knows. We just have to wait and see (but I'm not going to hold my breath).
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/25/2009 2:24:18 PM
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but what we already have is a mess where the government funds special interest groups to exploit the public. its_GO_time calls the people who would take advantage of such a system the "losers in life's lottery" as if the poor are the losers and the rich are somehow superior but the truth is that the only "losers in life's lottery" are the rich who can't compete in the free market so they lobby the government to hold their hand and give them money and grant them government sanctioned monopolies (ie: cable companies and pharmaceuticals).
Sorry, but Democratic Senator, and one-time Presidential canadiate Dick Gephart gets the credit for the 'losers' quote. But he's a Democrat(you know, he cares about the "little guy"), so he gets away with it.
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the rich who can't compete in the free market so they lobby the government to hold their hand and give them money and grant them government sanctioned monopolies (ie: cable companies and pharmaceuticals).
I would agree with this statment; GE/NBC/MSNBC, has a vested intrest in the green garbage, being foisted upon us, as well as Al Gore, and other politicans. I have no doubt that the healthcare debacle has their own partners in crime, too.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/29/2009 2:27:35 PM
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We may have us a winner:
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Lawmakers on both sides of the U.S. Capitol made significant progress on healthcare reform on Wednesday, with a group of Democratic conservatives reaching agreement with party leaders in the House of Representatives on a bill.
Senate Republican and Democratic senators negotiating a healthcare reform deal also got a boost from congressional budget analysts who priced their bill at less than $900 billion -- below some cost estimates of $1 trillion or more.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090729/pl_nm/us_usa_healthcare_16
For better or worse it looks as if the GOP is on board. They may as well try and get some input in because they can't do anything to stop it.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/29/2009 5:47:07 PM
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Rep. Kratovil hung in effigy by health care protester
If this is the face of anti-health care reform protest, the GOP has a serious problem.
This unidentified man decided he was doing the Tea Party-anti-reform effort a real solid by hanging freshman Maryland Democratic Rep. Frank Kratovil in effigy [note the creepily expert knotted noose] with a placard "Congress Traitors The American [and a word that looks like "idol"]......
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/Rep_Kratovil_hung_in_effigy_by_health_care_protester_.html
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/29/2009 5:50:55 PM
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Republicans Lying to Old People About Euthanasia
Back to the mind-bending crazy. I detailed some of these attacks last week, and my friend Michael J. Elston (Washington, DC radio's "Buzz Burbank") hit some of the arguments in his new Huffington Post blog as well. But who knew they would top themselves this week with an attack so simultaneously absurd and shameless that it easily fits comfortably in the Birther/Truther wackaloon syllabus.
This is of course the notion that the president's healthcare reform plan includes a mandate to kill old people.
First, here's Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-Cuckoo's Nest) on the House floor:
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It'll make sure we bring down the cost of healthcare for all Americans, and that ensures affordable access for all Americans, and is pro-life because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government.
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Sean Hannity believes it. So does House Minority Leader John Boehner. Talk show host Fred Thompson calls it "the dirty little secret" of the health care reform debate.
Yes, if you believe what these cranks are selling, the Obama administration is engaged in an elaborate plot to rid the nation of its burdensome population of old people. All this fluff about a public option, all the debate about reducing costs and making health insurance more affordable is merely subterfuge in the White House's scheme to impose a final solution to the nation's obvious elderly problem. .......
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/republicans-lying-to-old_b_247400.html
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/29/2009 9:30:16 PM
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Rep. Kratovil hung in effigy by health care protester
If this is the face of anti-health care reform protest, the GOP has a serious problem.
This unidentified man decided he was doing the Tea Party-anti-reform effort a real solid by hanging freshman Maryland Democratic Rep. Frank Kratovil in effigy [note the creepily expert knotted noose] with a placard "Congress Traitors The American [and a word that looks like "idol"]......
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/Rep_Kratovil_hung_in_effigy_by_health_care_protester_.html
That knot is **** - the loops are really loose and uneven. I've been able to tie a better noose than that since my uncle showed me how to do it when I was about 9. IMO, the tricky part is figuring out exactly how much length you need to get the proper number of turns (13).
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/30/2009 8:15:28 AM
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Rep. Kratovil hung in effigy by health care protester
If this is the face of anti-health care reform protest, the GOP has a serious problem.
This unidentified man decided he was doing the Tea Party-anti-reform effort a real solid by hanging freshman Maryland Democratic Rep. Frank Kratovil in effigy [note the creepily expert knotted noose] with a placard "Congress Traitors The American [and a word that looks like "idol"]......
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/Rep_Kratovil_hung_in_effigy_by_health_care_protester_.html
Why is it a problem? Have you looked at the bill? In the old days if the leaders had passed some of the bills they have passed they would have been tarred and feathered.
Here's some of the things our "representatives" have in store for us:
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PG 59: The federal government accesses your bank accounts for mandatory funds transfers.
PG 65, Sec 164: Creates special, federally-subsidized coverage for Unions and “Community Organizing” groups.
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Dictates the benefits packages of all private health insurance plans.
PG 85, Line 7: Limits what private insurers can offer (rationed care).
PG 91, Lines 4-7: Mandates that health care providers pay for interpreters for illegal immigrants.
Pg 95, Lines 8-18: The mandatory use of ACORN and Americorps for signing up Americans to government insurance.
PG 85, Line 7: Imposes more limits on coverage (rationing).
PG 102, Lines 12-18: Mandates Medicare for all who fit criteria (removes all choice).
PG 124, Lines 24-25: Bans companies from suing the federal government, bans the entire judicial system from hearing any cases on the legitimacy of this blatantly unconstitutional socialist health care takeover (no judicial review allowed whatsoever).
PG 127, Lines 1-16: Instructs doctors/AMA on what salaries they are allowed to make.
PG 145, Line 15-17: Requires all employers to enroll all new employees in the government system (no choice whatsoever).
PG 126, Lines 22-25: Requires employers to independently provide insurance for part-time workers, whether they can afford it or not (no choice).
PG 149, Lines 16-24: Imposes an 8% payroll tax penalty for any employer (making over $400k) who fails to force his employees onto government insurance.
PG 150, Lines 9-13: Employers making between $251k and $400k pay 2-6% penalty.
PG 167, Lines 18-23: Imposes 2.5% income tax penalty on any privately-insured individual who fails to get “adequate” private insurance.
PG 170, Lines 1-3: Stipulates that all non-resident aliens pay nothing (we foot the bill).
PG 195: Federal officers will have full access to every citizen’s most private records.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 8/4/2009 7:22:17 PM
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ORIGINAL: Jhud
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And, again, in any event, the fact of the matter is, is that long before the stimulus package came along, our privatized healthcare system was failing, for a long time: failing 40+ million Americans who have no health insurance and do not get adequate care; failing because it was so costly that 'Joe the plumber' can't even pay for it out of his own pocket, therefore having to pool his money with others thru health insurance that is also very costly; failing because Joe the plumbers mom and dad had to sell their house so that they could simply pay for heart surgery; failing families who had to sell their house so that they could pay for surgeries...this, in the richest country in the world? This is outrageous.
Well again, the popular and misleading '40+' million uninsured Americans is misleading at best:
How Many Americans Are Uninsured? It Depends On Whom You Ask:
A new report by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), "How Many People Lack Health Insurance and For How Long?," paints a portrait of the uninsured population as a far more fluid group than is generally acknowledged: a significant number are chronically uninsured, but many are without insurance for a short period only.
And one of the problems of "uninsurance"—a term commonly used to denote not having health insurance—appears to be one with legs: some people are likely to be insured, uninsured, then insured again within the same year. Short- and long-term states of uninsurance are separate problems that may require distinct policy approaches, the CBO report suggests.
Notably, the CBO report refutes the widely disseminated figure of 40 million uninsured, saying the number of Americans without health insurance for an entire year is more likely to be between 21 million and 31 million.
And among those it's not clear how many are illegal immigrants, or simply don't seek insurance for whatever reason.
Well, this is the number that is provided by MANY sources. Please provide another if you disagree with it.
Peace and God bless,
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