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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 9/24/2009 9:34:46 PM
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prolifepj
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I brought this topic up during lunch at the office today- one girl told me, "What part of 'Thou shalt not kill' are you not getting pj?" 'It's murder," she said.
She believes that if there is any sin in us whatsoever at our point of death, that will determine whether or not we make it in. Another said, we cannot forget his mercy, what if we didn't have the chance to repent?
I'm still going over it all. Thank you all for posting!
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 9/25/2009 6:06:37 AM
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She believes that if there is any sin in us whatsoever at our point of death, that will determine whether or not we make it in.
Did you ask her where the hope is in that kind of thinking is?
Rom 8:1 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
That breaks my heart to hear of people living so fearfully that they really can't live. Christ did not die for us to live like that.
He came to set the captives free!
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 9/26/2009 8:16:21 AM
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Christ shed His blood for ALL OUR SINS but only if we accept His salvation.
In Messiah...
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 10/13/2009 9:55:04 AM
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God gives you nothing you cant handle! to choose your own response to lifes hard times in taking your own life is to live for self and not for God??
Not judging because I am not sure. I just know that this would keep me from making this bad choice. But then again, I am mentally stable enough to know this.
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 10/27/2009 8:25:26 AM
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Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not the act of suicide - though suicide is wrong - but it is to denounce the works of God as works of God. In other words it is to say that God does not exist. The Holy Spirit teaches us of God - to squelch the move of the Holy Spirit (the wooing) is to blaspheme. That is the unpardonable sin. All other sins (including suicide) are forgivable; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never forgiven on earth or in heaven.
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 10/27/2009 10:39:50 AM
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ORIGINAL: sureclarity Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not the act of suicide - though suicide is wrong - but it is to denounce the works of God as works of God. In other words it is to say that God does not exist. The Holy Spirit teaches us of God - to squelch the move of the Holy Spirit (the wooing) is to blaspheme. That is the unpardonable sin. All other sins (including suicide) are forgivable; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never forgiven on earth or in heaven. ~sureclarity http://therealjesus-sureclarity.blogspot.com/ http://mwhosit.livejournal.com/
So far, this is the only basic answer I know of that can be backed scripturally
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 10/27/2009 10:45:41 AM
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All other sins (including suicide) are forgivable; If suicide is wrong, then how does one repent of their wrongdoing after death?
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 10/27/2009 10:55:57 AM
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As for the sin of blaspheming the Spirit (Matthew 12, Mark 3, Luke 12), in context the sin does not appear to be one discrete act. After all, Paul described himself as a blasphemer (1 Timothy 1:13), and yet he was forgiven. Rather, the blasphemy against the Spirit seems to be a condition of hard-heartedness that makes repentance impossible. The context: the outright denial of an obvious miracle, a stubborn refusal to believe. If certain of the Pharisees were unable to believe -- so far had they let the condition of their hearts deteriorate -- then there is a point of no return (Proverbs 29:1).
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 10/27/2009 12:25:18 PM
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All other sins (including suicide) are forgivable; If suicide is wrong, then how does one repent of their wrongdoing after death?
By this time it is much much too late! 
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 10/27/2009 8:47:26 PM
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As for the sin of blaspheming the Spirit (Matthew 12, Mark 3, Luke 12), in context the sin does not appear to be one discrete act. After all, Paul described himself as a blasphemer (1 Timothy 1:13), and yet he was forgiven. Rather, the blasphemy against the Spirit seems to be a condition of hard-heartedness that makes repentance impossible. The context: the outright denial of an obvious miracle, a stubborn refusal to believe. If certain of the Pharisees were unable to believe -- so far had they let the condition of their hearts deteriorate -- then there is a point of no return (Proverbs 29:1).
Agreed.
In a nutshell, the unpardonable is unbelief.
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 10/27/2009 11:03:03 PM
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All other sins (including suicide) are forgivable;If suicide is wrong, then how does one repent of their wrongdoing after death?
There is no repentance of sins after death; however, many people who commit suicide ask for God's forgiveness before they do the deed. They are forgiven. Mentally unstable people are known to God and He is merciful. We do not know why people kill themselves, but God does.
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 10/27/2009 11:13:06 PM
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After all, Paul described himself as a blasphemer (1 Timothy 1:13), and yet he was forgiven. Rather, the blasphemy against the Spirit seems to be a condition of hard-heartedness that makes repentance impossible.
Paul did not ever not believe in God, He simply could not believe that a carpenter's son could be the Son of God - the Messiah. He did not believe until Yeshua revealed Himself to him personally. It was not a matter of believing in God, but rather a matter of believing in WHO Paul ASSUMED God would BE when He came to His people.
But the {blasphemy that can never be forgiven} is the absolute denial of God and of His affirmations. It is the callous and stubborn refusal to believe in God at all that is the one sin that will never be forgiven in this world or the next. And because of this shallow and hardheartedness that will cause many to stumble and be lead astray, God will give them over to delusional mindset - meaning that He will allow their freewill to run its course in their own self-destruction. Because they will not believe and refuse the wooing of the Holy Spirit (as well as hinder others from accepting God and His Spirit), He will not force them to salvation. They will be eternally lost, as Lucifer and his unholy angels are.
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 10/28/2009 10:36:00 AM
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many people who commit suicide ask for God's forgiveness before they do the deed. So all I have to do is ask God to forgive me in advance and I can start my affair this morning with a clear conscience? NOT!
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 10/28/2009 11:25:57 AM
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All other sins (including suicide) are forgivable; If suicide is wrong, then how does one repent of their wrongdoing after death?
Are you saying that if you sin in any way whatsoever just before you die, then you are on a one-way trip to hell? Or is suicide somehow special in that it alone cancels salvation?
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 10/28/2009 2:54:14 PM
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So all I have to do is ask God to forgive me in advance and I can start my affair this morning with a clear conscience? NOT!
Are you mentally ill?
People who commit suicide are mentally ill. Yet for some, there is still something in them that calls out to God for forgiveness for what they are about to do. Mental illness is not logical.
Of course one could argue that a man who thinks he is a prize "catch" and continually cheats on his wife without remorse could be suffering delusional thinking ... which is a mental illness.
On the other hand, soldiers ask for forgiveness for the deaths they will engage in during battle. This is called "sin of omission." They know they are commanded not to kill, and yet they know they will do so in the course of their day.
Bottom line: the only unforgivable sin is the sin against the Holy Spirit of God - blasphemy of God's call to repentance and salvation. This comes about from a hardened heart and a selfish desire to be one's own god. All other sins are forgivable, though most are also avoidable.
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 10/28/2009 2:58:32 PM
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Are you mentally ill? Sometimes I wonder from posting on this thread...
Thanks for your clarity, sureclarity. I shall not bring up the issue again with you.
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 10/28/2009 3:01:13 PM
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ORIGINAL: DeliveredDarling
Rom 8:1 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
and the rest of that verse reads;
(Rom 8:1) .... who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Thanks
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 10/28/2009 6:37:10 PM
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sureclarity
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Thanks for your clarity, sureclarity. I shall not bring up the issue again with you.
I am sorry you feel offended. That was not my intent as you can see from further reading of my post in it's entirety.
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 10/30/2009 9:17:44 PM
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I would hope that God sheds some of his own tears for those even he seemed unable to help in life and gives them some peace with him in Heaven.
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 11/9/2009 7:42:37 PM
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ORIGINAL: RunnerJoel
I know the scripture says that blaspheming of the Holy Spirit is but where do people get it that suicide is?
RJ
Hi RunnerJoel,
this does not refer to suicide but refers to being born again from the wrong seed. When someone gets saved (Romans 10:9-10) they become a son of God - they receive God's seed - the gift of holy spirit. This is irreversable and can not be undone because it's seed just like a father and his son in the physical realm. When someone, who is not born again, accepts Satan as his father then they too become born from his seed. This is also irreversable and a sin (the only sin) that cannot be forgiven and therefore 'blasphemy of the Holy Spirit'. By the way, you can't be born of the two seeds.
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 11/10/2009 8:23:16 AM
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When someone, who is not born again, accepts Satan as his father then they too become born from his seed. This is also irreversable and a sin (the only sin) that cannot be forgiven and therefore 'blasphemy of the Holy Spirit'. Welcome to the Forums, Jahsony!
So how do you explain the many satanists who have been redeemed from their wicked "religion" by accepting the grace of God?
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 11/10/2009 10:49:46 AM
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All who have faith and believe in Jesus Christ to be the Son of God will be saved regardless of what has passed before. The only unforgivable sin is to die without the Spirit of God living within you.
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RE: The "Unpardonable Sin" - 11/14/2009 3:21:41 PM
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My opinion on this matter is if one does not believe in God and does not repent has committed the "Unpardonable Sin". I also believe that EVERY HUMAN who has ever lived will be Given the opportunity to be a Son Of God. Then after all is said and done, if one does not accept, then they have committed the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Not excepting God and will not be forgiven for it.
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