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Heroes - 2/6/2009 5:48:11 PM
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rockitd
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Okay, the new season is off to a great start with Nathan as the main bad guy...of course, you have murderer Sylar, but Nathan has taken up where his parents left off and is trying to quarantine the Heroes.
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RE: Heroes - 3/6/2009 12:57:21 AM
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I absolutely love Heroes. It is the one show I purposely make time to sit and watch every week. My wife loves it to, so it makes for a good Monday night couch snuggle.
Anyhow, this season is off to a bang. I love how the heroes all had their powers "reset" at the end of last season. It was a clever way to reign things back in, since so many people were becoming uber-powerful. I like how Peter can only "hold" on to one power, and Sylar had to start "collecting" again.
I also like Sylar's new "sidekick". It is funny that he is just as much of a manipulator as Sylar is, which Sylar doesn't know whether to hate or love.
One thing I would like to see is the return of Micah. I get an inkling that he might be the mysterious "Rebel" that keeps sending text messages and emails to the heroes in hiding.
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RE: Heroes - 3/6/2009 9:05:07 AM
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I'm very conflicted about Heroes. There are some very good elements to the show, but there are many bad elements and as a whole, it could be done much better.
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One thing I would like to see is the return of Micah. I get an inkling that he might be the mysterious "Rebel" that keeps sending text messages and emails to the heroes in hiding.
That's a good guess. I'd forgotten about him.
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RE: Heroes - 3/6/2009 9:13:02 AM
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I'm very conflicted about Heroes. There are some very good elements to the show, but there are many bad elements and as a whole, it could be done much better.
agreed.
By far, my favorite is Sylar, and I'm glad he managed to keep all his powers. I don't care for his little buddy though, I'm waiting for the day when Sylar adds "microwaves" to his repetoire.
Seriously though, nuking DC? It felt really lame to me, really forced recycling. I also hated all the Kensei stuff. Good show, and I always watch, but it does leave some things to be desired
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RE: Heroes - 3/6/2009 12:47:20 PM
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I'm glad Peter has been reset to one power at a time, and finally has developed a brain.
Amen to that. I loved the fact that he turned the tables on his brother by hugging him to get his power back. Those Petrelli hugs are dangerous, man.
And it looks like Uncle Peter and Niece Claire have broken up, IRL. Wonder if it will affect their onscreen chemistry (should they have another scene together)?
Sylar's storyline is getting very old.
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RE: Heroes - 3/6/2009 4:18:12 PM
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Last thing I heard was a denial that they had broken up, but it wouldn't be surprising. She's really young.
EDITED TO ADD:
On another topic, here's something really nice that the cast of Heroes, Band from TV and Wendy & Lisa are involved with.
< Message edited by stateofgrace -- 3/6/2009 4:29:01 PM >
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RE: Heroes - 3/7/2009 4:34:51 PM
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I'm very conflicted about Heroes. There are some very good elements to the show, but there are many bad elements and as a whole, it could be done much better.
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One thing I would like to see is the return of Micah. I get an inkling that he might be the mysterious "Rebel" that keeps sending text messages and emails to the heroes in hiding.
That's a good guess. I'd forgotten about him.
-Dan.
What "bad elements" are you referring to? "Bad elements" as in morally, or technically, ie. plot holes, bad acting, etc?
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RE: Heroes - 3/7/2009 4:42:34 PM
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I'm very interested in finding out who Rebel is and would love the return of Micah. That is a very educated guess since he has power over machines.... 
It is interesting that the cutting of the skull is the very method Sylar's dad did to kill his mom. Talk about generational curse!!! 
The attack on the capitol is interesting...especially since there is a takeover of D.C. on 24!
Peter is definitely smarter this season. I wonder when Hiro will get his powers back? I'm bored with Ando's power...
I always liked Micah and his dad (wish he was still around!). They kind of punted Micah out of the story REALLY fast, which makes me wonder if he had some RL obligations or other projects to work on.
Regarding Sylar and his dad, the preview for Monday's episode shows his dad starting to cut into Sylar's skull... you already know who is going to win, but it should be a good showdown. One prediciotn I am making is that Sylar's dad sold him because he was worried he would kill his own son fr his power int he future.... maybe not though.
As far as Ando and Hiro... I love Ando and Hiro! They are two of my favorite characters. Another prediction: Remember how Hiro saw Ando killing him in the future with his red plasma discharge? Well, now we know that Ando's red plasma actually supercharges other hero's powers, which leads me to believe that Ando is not attacking Hiro, but rather pouring all of his might into giving Hiro his power back.
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RE: Heroes - 3/7/2009 7:28:51 PM
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What "bad elements" are you referring to? "Bad elements" as in morally, or technically, ie. plot holes, bad acting, etc?
Poor writing and bad acting. Noah and to a lesser degree Angela are really the only legitimately "grey" characters on the show, but last season, they tried to make a lot of them darker or more "grey" than they really should have been. Most characters are one-dimensional, poorly written, poorly acted, and lately incredibly predictable - except when they're doing something "unpredicted," at which point it just gets silly (e.g. Mohinder's injection, Nathan's round-up). Noah has been, by far, my favorite character because, despite his poor acting, he's still one of the more interesting, complicated characters. But these season, I see even him faltering.
I like the show, because it's a great concept and despite my complaints, the characters are very easy to like and root for.
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RE: Heroes - 3/8/2009 9:35:16 PM
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This show has been a trainwreck since the second season. So awful now, yet I can't help but watch. Such squandered potential.
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RE: Heroes - 3/9/2009 10:16:33 PM
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Looks like Nathan's gonna get a taste of his own medicine. I loved that he ran... flew to Claire as soon as his own cover was blown.
Wonder if Peter will take him back now that Nathan is being hunted like the rest of them?
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RE: Heroes - 3/10/2009 11:46:28 AM
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What? Character growth? Nathan? I think Nathan has likely had the least growth of all the characters on the show. He keeps making the same kind of mistakes over, and over, and over again. Even Peter seems to have grown up and gotten past some of his repeated mistakes.
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RE: Heroes - 3/10/2009 7:33:45 PM
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After last night's episode:
I am convinced more than ever that "Rebel" is Micah.
I think Sylar's dad just caused a lot of people a lot of pain. I think his "wisdom" just fueled Sylar's lust for power and gave him the will to try to take real power. I see his teaming up with the black-ops bald guy (I forget his name, sorry, the one who pushed Nathan out of the window) as a way to capture people with abilities and make himself an all-you-can-eat-buffet. Black-ops captures and cages, Sylar starts picking brains.
Did anyone ever read the "Runelords" books by David Farland? In them kings and lords received heightened senses and strength from vassals who willingly gave up those attributes. For example, the king may receive an "endowment" of sight from a vassal, sharpeneing and increasing the king's eyesight, but that vassal is then blind until the king dies, or the king loses the endowment if the vassal dies. The Wolf Lord, Raj Ahten, decides to go another route. He captures people and takes their endowments by force, then locks them away to keep them alive in a secret castle fortress somewhere. He seeks to become "the sum of all men", a person who has taken so many endowments of strength, metabolism, wit, sight, hearing, etc, that he becomes some sort of more-than-human super being.
Anyway, I write all of that because that is what I think Sylar has decided: to take so many powers that nobody can stop him from taking "real" power, as his dad called it.
Second, do you think the puppetmaster played Claire? Or do you think he turned a new leaf?
Third, when is Mohindir going to stop being such a sissy-pants?
Fourth, I understand that the writers had to take Hiro's powers away because they didn't fully think them through in the first place. A time traveling time stopper would realistically be able to stop any plot at any time pretty easily. Hiro is my 2nd favorite hero, but they writers really haven't figured a way around the age-old sci-fi problem with time travelling. They have dabbled with the way changing the past causes unexpected butterfly effects, but not very well, imo.
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RE: Heroes - 3/10/2009 7:38:56 PM
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Second, do you think the puppetmaster played Claire? Or do you think he turned a new leaf?
Oh he's evil, still. But I think the point was that Claire doesn't get to make the call of who she helps or not. She's either the kind of person who helps people, or she isn't.
And yeah, Hiro's powers worked well in Season 1, but I agree with you that he was a giant reset button and now.... I do like him, I just don't like how they've handled the character.
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RE: Heroes - 3/10/2009 7:53:48 PM
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Second, do you think the puppetmaster played Claire? Or do you think he turned a new leaf?
Oh he's evil, still. But I think the point was that Claire doesn't get to make the call of who she helps or not. She's either the kind of person who helps people, or she isn't.
That is true, playing on the comic book store manager asking Claire about which superpower she could have from the comics: something bold or something sneaky.
Regarding the Puppetmaster, I can't quite decide. One one hand, he didn't kill the agent that tried to capture him, choosing to knock her unconcious instead, even though nobody would have known better. On the other hand, when Claire asked him if he was serious about changing, his wicked grin makes you think he is evil as ever.
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And yeah, Hiro's powers worked well in Season 1, but I agree with you that he was a giant reset button and now.... I do like him, I just don't like how they've handled the character.
Maybe they will give him back his power in limited form, like they did with Peter. Maybe he will noly be able to stop time, or only teleport. The combo of time travel/freeze time/teleportation is just too much. Much like Peter's ability to absorb powers from others just by being around them was too much. Sylar's ability is similar, but he actually had to do some "work" to absorb the powers.
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RE: Heroes - 3/11/2009 6:00:08 PM
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I, too, think Rebel is Micah. I'd love to see him back!
It was weird seeing "Lionel Luthor" (Smallville) as Sylar's dad. He's a good actor and they do a great job tying in Sci-Fi and comic heroes of other genres. I wonder what Sylar will do with the "hunter".
Is the baby Matt or Matt's son?
I wonder what HRG (Noah) and Nathan will plot next?
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RE: Heroes - 3/12/2009 5:20:01 PM
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Regarding the baby "Matt Parkman" I have absolutely no idea what the heck that was about. Maybe Parkman's ex-wife had a baby and named him after Matt? I really don't know.
Also, I knew I recognized Sylar's dad! I never watched Smallville but a time or two, but now I remember him as Lex's dad.
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RE: Heroes - 3/12/2009 7:51:20 PM
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Regarding the baby "Matt Parkman" I have absolutely no idea what the heck that was about. Maybe Parkman's ex-wife had a baby and named him after Matt? I really don't know.
In the First Season, she found out that she was pregnant, but I think becsue it was alluded that she had an affair, that the Kid might not be his. In the Second Season, they mentioned that she had the baby, and it was Matt's, but by this time they had separated, and the ex-wife and baby were mentioned only once or twice after that.
I'm taking it that the baby in the future then is not Matt and the speedsters, but baby Matt.
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RE: Heroes - 3/13/2009 2:38:55 PM
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Regarding the baby "Matt Parkman" I have absolutely no idea what the heck that was about. Maybe Parkman's ex-wife had a baby and named him after Matt? I really don't know.
In the First Season, she found out that she was pregnant, but I think becsue it was alluded that she had an affair, that the Kid might not be his. In the Second Season, they mentioned that she had the baby, and it was Matt's, but by this time they had separated, and the ex-wife and baby were mentioned only once or twice after that.
I'm taking it that the baby in the future then is not Matt and the speedsters, but baby Matt.
Point well taken...
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RE: Heroes - 3/24/2009 8:17:30 PM
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Just curious - I'm in the UK and was just wondering how far behind we are at the moment. Last night's episode was where the "aww isn't he cute" mini-Sylar saw his mom being murdered by his dad.  So can anyone tell me what the gap is currently between us and you?
That happened in 3.18 and 3.20 just aired here last night. We had a rerun last week, so you caught up a little.
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