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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/23/2008 8:30:18 AM
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delete123
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What part did I leave out, when I said: This Is What I Was Taught?!
and from a Baptist church no less
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/23/2008 10:17:00 AM
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What part did I leave out, when I said: This Is What I Was Taught?!
and from a Baptist church no less
And that is what you believe?
Always test all things in light of Scripture. And many churches have the moniker 'Baptist' in its name and they are far from it. The cult of Westboro Baptist comes to mind.
But now we're really off topic.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/23/2008 1:21:54 PM
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Hey Abby,
I don’t think that because your aunt is not afraid that this means she is not saved (if I’m understanding your question right). The Bible tells us that we do *not* need to be afraid of Satan or demonic forces, but I think we should be aware of the reality and danger of certain situations. I do think your aunt should at least be concerned enough to take authority. Until she does this, Satan thinks he has free reign in their home.
According to scriptures, I don’t believe your uncle is saved through your aunt’s faith alone. God has given us the gift of free will and the gift of eternal life must be a personal choice. However, I do believe that God is greater than anything of this world and that the anointing of the Holy Spirit over your aunt is far more powerful than any stronghold Satan might hold over your uncle. I do believe your uncle is the head of the household in God‘s eyes though, and it may be that the stronghold wont be entirely broken until he turns to God himself. However, your aunt can take shelter in Christ and continue claiming authority for her home and family and praying for your uncle’s salvation.
I think Delete might have been making reference to 1 Cor.7:12-16, which says the husband or wife will be sanctified by the faith of the spouse. I believe this means that the spouse which is saved can claim a spiritual covering and protection over the family (such as from spiritual bondage). However, I don’t believe this means that the entire family is automatically saved through the faith of one person, because this idea conflicts with other scriptures speaking of salvation through faith, personal accountability, free will, etc. (Paul even tells us we must confess with our mouths that Jesus is the Son of God, which in itself is a personal choice and an individual action.)
1 Corinthians 7:16 says, “For how may you be certain, O wife, that you will not be the cause of salvation to your husband? or you, O husband, that you may not do the same for your wife?” The verse does not say that the spouse *will* be the source of salvation, but it does say that they may be.
Continue praying for and talking to your uncle, and continue to pray for and receive God’s promises from His Word. Pray for God’s wisdom and for opportunities to be a witness to your uncle. It sounds like you’re doing all of these things already, so just keep at it! You don’t have to be afraid or discouraged, because God is greater no matter what. There is power in prayer so just keep standing firm in your faith
In Christ,
Megan :0)
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/23/2008 1:35:48 PM
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Thank you Megan~
My grandmother, aunt, and another uncle who is a preacher have been to my aunt's home, and they have anointed it, they have went through every room doing this. The last time I talked to her, she said that she hasnt seen it. She is a very strong Christian woman, I admire her and love to be with her, she loves the Lord so much! But she did say, that my uncle has continued seeing it. She said, that its almost like, it has stopped showing itself to her, but it continues to show itself to my uncle. And the question came up, if this continues, can it take over, can it inhabit my uncle? Im not sure, and I dont have the answers to this, but I think its something to think about and to continue to pray about.
I havent mentioned this, not only has my uncle had a heart attack, and now diabetes, and went into a diabetic coma, but he also takes alot of pain meds, and you can tell when he is on them.....he is more hateful than ever! And to hear him talk with such hatefulness, to use God's name invane, and he even speaks to the grandkids something terrible, that they are getting to where they dont even want to be around him anymore.............I almost wonder sometimes if it hasnt already taken control....can this happen? And how would a person know for sure? He has absolutely no fear of it, and has even said, "I can be on the couch laying down, and it will sit down." Im not kidding or making this up, its serious, and it just amazes me how he has no concern...its almost like he has invited it there!!!! They moved from the country to town, and this thing came with them!!!!
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/23/2008 1:38:48 PM
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The bible is silent on this question. There are some that claim to have physically felt the presence of demons. I suppose it may be possible.
I thought I found the verse, but as it turns out, the possessed man did all the touching:
Act 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said to them, "I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?"
Act 19:16 And the man, in whom was the evil spirit, leaped on them and subdued all of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/23/2008 4:54:46 PM
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And the question came up, if this continues, can it take over, can it inhabit my uncle? Im not sure, and I dont have the answers to this, but I think its something to think about and to continue to pray about.
I believe it can, because your uncle does not have the light in him. This is why a demon or spirit can not enter a believer. Darkness can not dwell where Light is.
This is why the spirit that bothered King Saul could only oppress him, but not enter him. (eventhough he disobeyed God, he was still considered annointed)
Then you have the woman who the made money for others as a soothsayer that had evil spirits dwell in her. She was not a believer and once she received deliverance the spirits left her and the men were angry. (Gospels)
I truly believe it is your aunt's faith in which your uncle is being kept safe. Eventually he will have to make a choice, just pray it is the right one.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/23/2008 6:35:19 PM
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Abby, I'm curious as to when he started seeing it. Could it be that he is not afraid of it because he has been seeing it since he was a child? Could this demon be almost like a companion to him? The way you describe him I would also ask if he has not let go of a hurt from many years ago. Demons just love bugging people who are holding a grudge. This thing is not appearing to her anymore because it knows she's covered with the blood and she's already confronted it.
I am married to a man who was once a Christian and turned to atheism a few years after we were married. Trust me....the activity here, in the spiritual realm....is well, interesting. But, I know that they hate the name of Jesus and fear it. And I agree that the armor of God is very important when you are dealing with these things. We are made strong by the Holy Spirit within us.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/23/2008 6:42:44 PM
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Abby, I'm curious as to when he started seeing it. Could it be that he is not afraid of it because he has been seeing it since he was a child? Could this demon be almost like a companion to him? The way you describe him I would also ask if he has not let go of a hurt from many years ago. Demons just love bugging people who are holding a grudge. This thing is not appearing to her anymore because it knows she's covered with the blood and she's already confronted it.
I am married to a man who was once a Christian and turned to atheism a few years after we were married. Trust me....the activity here, in the spiritual realm....is well, interesting. But, I know that they hate the name of Jesus and fear it. And I agree that the armor of God is very important when you are dealing with these things. We are made strong by the Holy Spirit within us.
To be honest with you, Im not really sure when they began seeing it, or how long it has been with him. They lived out in the country, probably 10 years ago, and Im not sure how long it had been showing itself there, well then they moved to town, my dad buit them a house here, and the activity was very strong, and alot of it.....they never told us about it, until the night my mom stayed the night, and slept on the couch, and heard the noises that woke her up, she went in there, and there was nothing! The next morning, she was telling my aunt, and she stated, "Well I guess I need to tell you whats going on." It was then, that we all found out. I almost think it is a companion to him, its quiet scary to be honest. I have never seen it, nor do i want too! There son seen it, he is not a Christian, and it scared him to death! They all describe it as a full figure, as looking like a man, but a dark shadow.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/23/2008 7:11:13 PM
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Have you ever watched "Ghost Hunters" on the Sci-Fi channel? How I wish these guys would come to the knowledge that they are not investigating ghosts, but demons. They have caught these "shadowy" figures on film! The devil has so many people fooled into believing that the demons are deceased people....it is sad and scary at the same time. The Bible debunks the ghost theory. It says that it is appointed once for a man to die and then the judgment. Nowhere does it say that you die, hang around and haunt.
Anyway, I really sympathize with your aunt. Praise God for the precious blood of Jesus!!!!!! I hope everyone here gets convicted to pray for your uncle and family.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/23/2008 9:33:54 PM
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Momma-Mo I totally agree with you on the Ghost Hunters thing! Satan is the Deceiver, and if he can put doubt in a person's mind about the afterlife he most certanly will. And the people involved with that show are most certainly exposed to some dangerous stuff.
Getting back on topic, I have felt similar things. I've only seen one "scary" movie in my life ("The Village" which most people don't consider all that scary), but since I had always been extremely sensitive to what I put in my spirit and also a very visual person I began to have nightmares for several weeks. I would be going along having a normal or even dismal dream when all of a sudden I would be completely paralyzed with fear. The first one I recall was when a demon grabbed me from behind and had the most awful, evil, high-pitched laugh. I was frozen between the sleep state and conciousness. When I would wake up I would be covered in a cold sweat yet burning up and still frozen with fear. It almost *always* used to happen to me around 3:00 am. It took me a long time before these demonic encounters would cease. I would repeat "Jesus" until I felt some level of peace. I realize that certain brain waves correspond directly with our nerve endings and can replicate physical sensations even when there are none. All I'm saying is what I felt was not good.
Now, my little sister, Gabby (11) has had a similar experience just last weekend even, which angers me. I'm upset that they would attack such a young Christian, my baby sister! Anyway, she was sitting on her bed in the evening when she felt a thick, leathery hand grab her (unsure where at the moment); needless to say she was spooked. We've since begun to teach her how to take authority over these forces and command them to leave. In fact, I told her whenever she feels or sees (another topic all its own: seeing) these things she should get angry that they're invading her room and tell them to go back to Hell where they came from.
On the flip side, I also felt angels (much more comforting). I never asked to feel them; it just began to happen. I remember just praying in church and feeling a presence beside me. I was so sure of its existence that I passed it off as being a person. Then I would feel hands on my back, arms, chest (near my heart), etc., but when I looked to see who it was supporting me in prayer there was no one there (yet I still felt the hands plain as day!!!). It definitely got my attention. Sometimes I would feel as many as six or seven hands at once, quite overwhelming in a good way. I'm not sure why God allows these visitaions/encounters/experiences (whatever you wanna call them), but the Lord knows. On a good number of occasions angels have poked me in my side, back or even the side of my face to get my attention at school. It was so real I thought someone around me was doing it, but my classmates also just look at me like I'm crazy. The purpose of these experiences? Unsure. But it does make laugh. Angels have fun, too. And since certain ones are assigned to follow us around and protect us, why not give them something to do? Many are bored for want of an assignment. (Sorry for following that rabbit trail)
I say all of that to say that we need to realize that the spiritual realm is more real than this natural realm... after all, everything in this realm came out of that realm. What do we consider a physical healing??? Simply a manifestation of something that took place in the spiritual realm. God's realm touched our realm and won, basically.
Above all, realize the authority Christ Jesus gave us. He said "Whatever you bind on earth is bound in Heaven, and whatever you lose on earth is loosed in Heaven." Bind that thing in the name of Jesus, and it leaves. No other choice but to obey. There is never a need to fear, although I acknowledge it is often much easier said than done. Even now as I am recalling these old "touches" I feel slightly uneasy, but ultimately we have the authority to shut them up, kick them out, whatever.
Hope I was able to help and perhaps stimulate deeper thought (: God bless.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/23/2008 9:47:02 PM
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Momma-Mo I totally agree with you on the Ghost Hunters thing! Satan is the Deceiver, and if he can put doubt in a person's mind about the afterlife he most certanly will. And the people involved with that show are most certainly exposed to some dangerous stuff.
Getting back on topic, I have felt similar things. I've only seen one "scary" movie in my life ("The Village" which most people don't consider all that scary), but since I had always been extremely sensitive to what I put in my spirit and also a very visual person I began to have nightmares for several weeks. I would be going along having a normal or even dismal dream when all of a sudden I would be completely paralyzed with fear. The first one I recall was when a demon grabbed me from behind and had the most awful, evil, high-pitched laugh. I was frozen between the sleep state and conciousness. When I would wake up I would be covered in a cold sweat yet burning up and still frozen with fear. It almost *always* used to happen to me around 3:00 am. It took me a long time before these demonic encounters would cease. I would repeat "Jesus" until I felt some level of peace. I realize that certain brain waves correspond directly with our nerve endings and can replicate physical sensations even when there are none. All I'm saying is what I felt was not good.
Now, my little sister, Gabby (11) has had a similar experience just last weekend even, which angers me. I'm upset that they would attack such a young Christian, my baby sister! Anyway, she was sitting on her bed in the evening when she felt a thick, leathery hand grab her (unsure where at the moment); needless to say she was spooked. We've since begun to teach her how to take authority over these forces and command them to leave. In fact, I told her whenever she feels or sees (another topic all its own: seeing) these things she should get angry that they're invading her room and tell them to go back to Hell where they came from.
On the flip side, I also felt angels (much more comforting). I never asked to feel them; it just began to happen. I remember just praying in church and feeling a presence beside me. I was so sure of its existence that I passed it off as being a person. Then I would feel hands on my back, arms, chest (near my heart), etc., but when I looked to see who it was supporting me in prayer there was no one there (yet I still felt the hands plain as day!!!). It definitely got my attention. Sometimes I would feel as many as six or seven hands at once, quite overwhelming in a good way. I'm not sure why God allows these visitaions/encounters/experiences (whatever you wanna call them), but the Lord knows. On a good number of occasions angels have poked me in my side, back or even the side of my face to get my attention at school. It was so real I thought someone around me was doing it, but my classmates also just look at me like I'm crazy. The purpose of these experiences? Unsure. But it does make laugh. Angels have fun, too. And since certain ones are assigned to follow us around and protect us, why not give them something to do? Many are bored for want of an assignment. (Sorry for following that rabbit trail)
I say all of that to say that we need to realize that the spiritual realm is more real than this natural realm... after all, everything in this realm came out of that realm. What do we consider a physical healing??? Simply a manifestation of something that took place in the spiritual realm. God's realm touched our realm and won, basically.
Above all, realize the authority Christ Jesus gave us. He said "Whatever you bind on earth is bound in Heaven, and whatever you lose on earth is loosed in Heaven." Bind that thing in the name of Jesus, and it leaves. No other choice but to obey. There is never a need to fear, although I acknowledge it is often much easier said than done. Even now as I am recalling these old "touches" I feel slightly uneasy, but ultimately we have the authority to shut them up, kick them out, whatever.
Hope I was able to help and perhaps stimulate deeper thought (: God bless.
Thank you for sharing that with us, and you are so right, I do believe angels can do the same, and I never thought about it like that. I was on the couch one day, and had been watching someone on tv preaching, and had been praying, and from no where, I felt a poke in the back of my head, I thought it was evil, trying to scare me, but I had no fear at all, but Im still not certain which it was, now that you have brought up angels touching us :) And I also once heard someone say, "There are more invisible things to be seen in this world, than there are visible." Now thats something to think about.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/23/2008 10:36:01 PM
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Wow! That's definitely neat, Abby. It doesn't sound demonic to me at all. In fact, be encouraged because not everyone experiences the supernatural like that. However, "blessed is the man who does not see and believes."
Oh dear!! Something very exciting the Lord reminded me of just now...
6On the very night when Herod was about to bring him forward, Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains, and guards in front of the door were watching over the prison. 7And behold, an angel of the Lord suddenly appeared and a light shone in the cell; and he struck Peter's side and woke him up, saying, "Get up quickly " And his chains fell off his hands.
Acts 12:6-7 (emohasis added)
Confirmation?? 
BTW, welcome to the forums.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/23/2008 10:36:41 PM
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Hi FieryDeb and welcome to the forums!
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/24/2008 8:43:15 AM
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Wow! That's definitely neat, Abby. It doesn't sound demonic to me at all. In fact, be encouraged because not everyone experiences the supernatural like that. However, "blessed is the man who does not see and believes."
Oh dear!! Something very exciting the Lord reminded me of just now...
6On the very night when Herod was about to bring him forward, Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains, and guards in front of the door were watching over the prison. 7And behold, an angel of the Lord suddenly appeared and a light shone in the cell; and he struck Peter's side and woke him up, saying, "Get up quickly " And his chains fell off his hands.
Acts 12:6-7 (emohasis added)
Confirmation??
Wow! I read that this morning and was going to post it! Yes, an angel struck Peter on the side to get his attention. If God's angels can touch us then so can the fallen angels.
Welcome Deb! 
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/24/2008 9:09:46 AM
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Wow! I read that this morning and was going to post it! Yes, an angel struck Peter on the side to get his attention. If God's angels can touch us then so can the fallen angels.
I don't agree. God's angels have a right to touch believers, demons don't.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/24/2008 12:34:55 PM
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Megan,
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Another scripture which came to mind this morning concerning the OP question, I thought would be when Jacob wrestled with an angel...which would qualify as a spirit of God, the equal of which would be a spirit of Satan...I think. But when I read that verse I couldn't help but wonder where religious tradition decided it was even an angel. The scripture doesn't seem to validate that POV.
The spirit in this scripture is actually Jesus ;0)
What is your authority for believing the above. As I mentioned, I see nothing in the verse or its context to indicate a spirit at all, and are you now saying it was Jesus in the flesh???
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However, we should also remember that demons are not given any authority over us, except that which we give to them.
Would you consider 'the beast' of Revelation as a spirit or demon? If your answer is yes then how do you deal with the following verse?
REV 13:7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation,
Personally, I have been taught that 'at a new spiritual level there's a new devil, and that devil is stronger than you, and his purpose in God is to drive you to a new level of submission to Christ.' It is only there that you have access to the authority to overcome that devil's authority.
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They will try to confuse or hinder us, their main purpose being to distract us from God and cause us to forget our authority which Jesus Christ won for us.
Don't forget "rob, kill, and destroy". 
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If you rebuke Satan in the name of Jesus, he has to leave. Have you ever been in a demonic manifestation situation where you used the name of Jesus and the demon didn't leave. I have. Why didn't the demon obey, in your opinion?
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Also they cannot be in the presence of the Holy Spirit.
I hear the above comment a lot. I would like you to please give me a scripture to back that comment.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/24/2008 2:34:01 PM
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My 2 cents.. I have been in a situtaion where a demon was present and i have been touched by jesus also (well, I am almost positive it was Him). I do not watch any demonic or satanic movies and keep all that kind of stuff out of the house. i wont have anything to do with that because it is like inviting satan in. Believers are protected from evil spirits and I prefer to keep it that way. I know that satan will try to attack believrs but at the same time he leaves us alone becaue he knows that Holy Spirit in dwelling in us. Light and dark do not mix. it is eith Light or dark. Light overcomes darkness everytime, it is like flipping a switch on in a dark room.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/24/2008 7:24:24 PM
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Hey Abby,
Yeah, pretty much agree so far with what everyone else is saying. If you're uncle is allowing this spirit a foothold I'd say it could inhabit him eventually. Demons not only possess, but oppress people also (possession being when they actually inhabit the person and oppression being when they influence certain emotions or thoughts in people [such as depression, rage, lust, etc] without actually possessing them) If your uncle is actually spending time with the spirit and then expressing rage and defensive feelings, there's a pretty good chance it's influence by the spirit.
Satan loves to make ppl think things like "ghost-hunting" or conversing with the dead is harmless. It's pretty sad. People seem especially drawn to this "dark" side even more so lately. We definately need to be praying for our world.
As for Angelic experences, I definately believe these occur too. What you felt could also have been the Holy Spirit. I've felt someone lay their hand on my head or shoulder while worshipping in church and then opened my eyes to see no one there. I've also felt someone take my hands and raise them up during worship. God is awesome in ways He shows Himself to us. To think He doesn't have to show Himself at all, but yet He does! :0)
We just have to be careful sometimes, because I believe that Satan is capable of "mimicking" the Holy Spirit and performing "mock-miracles" Always receive these things with prayerful discernment and test it with scripture.
God bless,
Megan :0)
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/24/2008 8:50:18 PM
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Megan,
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ORIGINAL: Him4all
Another scripture which came to mind this morning concerning the OP question, I thought would be when Jacob wrestled with an angel...which would qualify as a spirit of God, the equal of which would be a spirit of Satan...I think. But when I read that verse I couldn't help but wonder where religious tradition decided it was even an angel. The scripture doesn't seem to validate that POV.
The spirit in this scripture is actually Jesus ;0)
What is your authority for believing the above. As I mentioned, I see nothing in the verse or its context to indicate a spirit at all, and are you now saying it was Jesus in the flesh???
It states in Genesis 32:24-30
... And A MAN wrestled with him until dawn. 25 and when the Man saw that he couldn't win the match, he struck Jacob's hip, and knocked it out of joint at the socket.36 Then the Man said, "Let me go, for it is dawn." But Jacob panted, "I will not let you go until you bless me."27 What is your name? The Man asked. "Jacob," was the reply. 28 "It isn't anymore!" The Man told him. " It is Israel-- one who has power with God. Because you have been strong with God, you shall prevail with men." 29 What is your name? Jacob asked him. "No you mustn't ask," the Man told him. And he blessed him there. 30 Jacob named the place "Peniel" ("the Face of Gdo"), for he said, I have seen God face to face, and yet my life is spared." (TLB)
I believe Megan was referring to this scripture and I also was taught by a different church that this is so. Jacob wrestled with God
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/24/2008 9:06:57 PM
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Another scripture which came to mind this morning concerning the OP question, I thought would be when Jacob wrestled with an angel...which would qualify as a spirit of God, the equal of which would be a spirit of Satan...I think. But when I read that verse I couldn't help but wonder where religious tradition decided it was even an angel. The scripture doesn't seem to validate that POV.
The spirit in this scripture is actually Jesus ;0)
What is your authority for believing the above. As I mentioned, I see nothing in the verse or its context to indicate a spirit at all, and are you now saying it was Jesus in the flesh???
It states in Genesis 32:24-30
... And A MAN wrestled with him until dawn. 25 and when the Man saw that he couldn't win the match, he struck Jacob's hip, and knocked it out of joint at the socket.36 Then the Man said, "Let me go, for it is dawn." But Jacob panted, "I will not let you go until you bless me."27 What is your name? The Man asked. "Jacob," was the reply. 28 "It isn't anymore!" The Man told him. " It is Israel-- one who has power with God. Because you have been strong with God, you shall prevail with men." 29 What is your name? Jacob asked him. "No you mustn't ask," the Man told him. And he blessed him there. 30 Jacob named the place "Peniel" ("the Face of Gdo"), for he said, I have seen God face to face, and yet my life is spared." (TLB)
I believe Megan was referring to this scripture and I also was taught by a different church that this is so. Jacob wrestled with God
Delete, you are right...it says: Here we see how Jacob's character had changed. Jacob, the ambitious deceiver, had now become Israel, the one who struggles with God and overcomes.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/24/2008 9:09:44 PM
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I agree with megbeth.. satan is sneaky, we have to be very careful. I felt God one night while in bed, it had to be Him because it was not like anything i have ever experienced. i was in a bad time and He lifted me up and then I had a message delivered in my head.. i was told that everything was going to be ok and that I was his child. i was also physically healed at church. I felt Gods healing touch. Its way too much to describe but it was GOD! anyhow thats why I keep all evil out of this house, videos, music, tv shows, vulgar language, books... Dont get me wron we still have a ton of fun here just without that stuff, we dont do halloween either.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/24/2008 9:11:43 PM
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"As for Angelic experiences, I definitely believe these occur too. What you felt could also have been the Holy Spirit. I've felt someone lay their hand on my head or shoulder while worshipping in church and then opened my eyes to see no one there. I've also felt someone take my hands and raise them up during worship. God is awesome in ways He shows Himself to us. To think He doesn't have to show Himself at all, but yet He does! :0)"
You make an excellent point Megbeth! The angelic touch and the Holy Spirit touch are indeed two different things, and Abby, you may have felt the Holy Spirit's "poke". Same team, obviously, but different. I've felt a fiery hand on my head, too, and when all this first started happening many years ago it was almost always on my left shoulder. It was so imensely comforting, and I knew beyond any doubt that it was the Holy Spirit. Same thing with the lifting of my hands in worship. In fact, it was the very first time I ever felt it. I will never as long as I live forget it. It was an invisible force holding my hands up.
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