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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/21/2008 8:58:45 AM
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InHisService9901
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Lets go to the Word and get the answer
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name [was] Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Job 1:9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
Job 1:10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath [is] in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
First attack of satan:
Job 1:13 And there was a day when his sons and his daughters [were] eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:
Job 1:14 And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:
Job 1:15 And the Sabeans fell [upon them], and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
2nd attack of satan:
Job 1:16 While he [was] yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
3rd attack of satan:
Job 1:17 While he [was] yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
4th attack:
Job 1:18 While he [was] yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters [were] eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:
Job 1:19 And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
Job 1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.
Job 1:22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly
satan seeks God's Permission to attack again
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 2:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
Job 2:4 And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.
Job 2:5 But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.
Job 2:6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold,
he [is] in thine hand;
but save his life.
5th and last attack
Job 2:7 So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.
I see this as satan touching us
When I first read your question Job instantly came to mind
God bless
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/21/2008 10:10:27 AM
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Yes, evil spirits can attack, but they cannot be around Jesus and cannot reside in the same place since we have evidence of this in the Bible.
This is why I believe if we are feeling attacked or know we are being attacked we need to know and stand our ground with who resides in us. We really need to believe more the power of the Holy Spirit and Jesus who is now and who is a part of us. I feel when we waiver in our belief and do not understand the authority we have with Christ the devil will attempt to taunt us, but he will flee the minute we pray or rebuke his presence in confidence.
Be strong as the devil is afraid of us and we need not be afraid of the devil.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/21/2008 10:47:43 AM
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InHisService9901
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Yes we can be sorely oppressed but not possessed because the Holy Spirit dwells in the heart of the believer
and light has no fellowship with darkness , so satan cannot abide there as well..
These attacks from satan can be thoughts of doubt, fear,hopelessness and the list goes on...
satan will work on the mind to get us to doubt God and His Holy Word and will continue if we are not rooted and grounded in the Word of God and strong in the faith..
When satan sees that we dont fall for his lies he might try another form of attack
he is our enemy and I dont count my enemies lightly and neither would the Lord have us to count them lightly.
We are in a spiritual warfare and the battle gets hot sometimes and as I said above we need to be
ROOTED AND GROUNDED IN THE WORD OF GOD THAT WE BE STRONG IN THE FAITH TO BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND THE FIREY DARTS OF THE DEVIL HAVING OUR ARMOUR ON AT ALL TIMES
The Lord tells us in His Word that satan comes to do what?
Steal-kill- and destroy
walking to and fro seeking whom he may devour
we live in a world that belongs to the enemy
thats a fact for God's Word says satan is the god of this world
look at the mess it is in
look at the heartache and pain
trouble and more trouble
sickness and death
and the list goes on
but we can take heart and hope in the fact that there is coming a day and it is soon approaching that God will remove sin and all who have chosen to serve sin and our Lord and Saviour will rule and reign forevermore
amen thank you Jesus!
For now we are Pilgrims and strangers passing thru this sin sick world
PASSING THRU CHILDREN OF GOD, PASSING THRU
AMEN !HALLEILUJAH!
Thats enough to make u shout
Thank God , thank God there is coming a better day for God's precious children..A BETTER DAY
THANK GOD!
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/21/2008 12:26:18 PM
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earthless,
 My bad, my bad. When that scripture came to mind I didn't even hesitate to post without reading it. And even though I agree with InHisService9901 and the Satanic account concerning Job, I don't think that was the intent of the OP question.
Another scripture which came to mind this morning concerning the OP question, I thought would be when Jacob wrestled with an angel...which would qualify as a spirit of God, the equal of which would be a spirit of Satan...I think. But when I read that verse I couldn't help but wonder where religious tradition decided it was even an angel. The scripture doesn't seem to validate that POV.
But even if scripture doesn't have a written example to confirm what 'I know' happened to me, the reality of that experience is sufficient enough for me to believe what I believe...and that is...I was touched/grabbed by a spirit.
I have also minstered to a gal who came from old Mexico. Her brother was a young man I'd mentored for several years. He asked me, and a few others, to pray for her because, since they were little kids, a demon would, on occasion, literally try to pull her out of bed by the feet. He said he remembered grabbing hold of her on several occasions as a young child fighting this 'force'. The occurances had let up when they left old Mexico...and the 'occult religion' of their mom. But he said it was starting to begin again after several quiet years. We prayed for both her and her husband, and the last time I'd heard...things were still OK.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/21/2008 12:38:15 PM
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Megbeth21
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ORIGINAL: Him4all
Another scripture which came to mind this morning concerning the OP question, I thought would be when Jacob wrestled with an angel...which would qualify as a spirit of God, the equal of which would be a spirit of Satan...I think. But when I read that verse I couldn't help but wonder where religious tradition decided it was even an angel. The scripture doesn't seem to validate that POV.
The spirit in this scripture is actually Jesus ;0)
But the answer is, yes, demons can attack us. (Job, King Saul, and even some of the desciples were troubled by spirits in the Bible) Remember that there is a spiritual war going on around us and both angels and demons are very real. And Satan isn't as stupid as some people make him out to be.
However, we should also remember that demons are not given any authority over us, except that which we give to them. Also they cannot be in the presence of the Holy Spirit. They will try to confuse or hinder us, their main purpose being to distract us from God and cause us to forget our authority which Jesus Christ won for us. Remember that the Bible tells us that Jesus has overcome the world and in Him we are more than conquerers. If you rebuke Satan in the name of Jesus, he has to leave.
God bless,
Megan :0)
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/21/2008 10:04:36 PM
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You know Megbeth, I've never thought about that but I think you might be right there. Many have concluded that it was Jesus as well who was in council with Abraham before the fall of the Sodom. Thinking now one could conclude as well that in Judges 2:1 it might of been Jesus except for the fact they refer to him as an Angel. OT I know but none the less interesting.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/22/2008 12:09:00 AM
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When we are "touched" by a demon keep in mind the vast power of this spiritual being. Satan rules this world.
I too have had experiences of visual and feeling nature. I have been paralyzed by fear, noticed wind and little noises and almost always in the late late hours or after dabbling in things that I should not have been doing.
With that said occult and demonic practices often occur in the mind during alpha wave patterns.(dreaming) This is why so many see visions and hear voices during mantric meditations like hinduism, buddhism, and Contemplative Prayer(Mystical practice that involves emptying your mind through rhythmic practices) These people enter an alpha brain wave pattern while semi lucid. What we experience as "real" may not be.
A worthy Pastor I know named Tom Brock of Hope Lutheran Church speaks of being choked night after night by a demon. Now this man is not given to bragging nor Charismaticism nor Pentacostalism, but is a mainline conservative Lutheran. His advice regarding demons comes from an experienced Exocist. See Here: Demons are like little Chihuahua dogs that do not belong in our room. When they enter you just kick them out. I was afraid for years of what I had done.
Do not be afraid. Greater is He that is in me than he who is in the World. We are called to be in the World, but not of the World. Got Jesus? Got Sin? Got it? Confess it.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/22/2008 1:40:09 PM
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I have a major concern, and have prayed about it, and just really dont know what to do, so maybe someone here can help me. When I started this thread, it was based on discussions that I have had with others, even I have have felt the paralyzing feeling, but what Im about to tell you is much more than a feeling, and it concerns me.
My aunt, who is a Christian, and has been for years, is married to my uncle, and they have been married for probably 30 years, and he has never accepted Christ into his life. My aunt is one who serves the Lord openly in her home, goes to church, has talked to my uncle about the Lord, but he just want have it. I have heard him use God's name in vane, curse something awful and is just against surrending his life to the Lord. He has had a heart attack, now has diabetes, and has even went into a diabetic coma, and she has always said, just know the Lord is always there, and he just doesnt really respond. And this maybe why. About 10 years ago, he told my aunt, that he had began seeing something in the house, he described what it looked like...a dark shadow. She really didnt pay alot of attention to him, but he continued seeing it, she didnt.
They were living out in the country when this began, and had a house built in town, this has been over a 10 year period. And no, they didnt move because of what he was seeing, they had just decided to have a house built. Anyway, he mentioned seeing this thing in the new house, again, she never seen it. You would think, with him not being a Christian, and he is the only one seeing this thing, that it might scare him, but it doesnt.....anyway, it did indeed, begin to show itself to others. One night, they were all in bed, including their kids, and they heard the most horrible noise, probably around 2-3am, they get up to go into the kitchen, and everything in their cabinets was laying in the kitchen floor, and not just one cabinet, but several....they have actually felt it kick the bed late at night....the bedroom door open.....and my uncle has actualy had it sit at the end of the couch where he would be laying.....my first response was, DID IT SCARE YOU?!?! And its always been no, not at all.....and thats what I find bizarre! Their son, who is 20, actually seen it and it scared him to death! My aunt never seen it, until one night, she was reading and it was pretty late at night, and she said she knew without a doubt, it was there, and watching her, when she looked up, she didnt see a shadow, but she seen eyes. My mother has been there to stay the night because the men were deer hunting, and she said in the late hours of the night, she heard someone in the kitchen, almost like they were loading the dishwasher, just making lots of noise...she was on the couch, so this is why she could hear it, but when she walked in there, there was no one.
So my question is this, with my aunt being a Christian, and my uncle is not, and he has no fear of this thing, and on the other hand, my aunt has prayed, we have prayed, my grandmother has even went over there and prayed, but this continues....could it be because my uncle has invited this thing in, and he doesnt even realize it? And another thing, I talked to my aunt not long ago, and she said it has been months since she has seen it, but my uncle still does, if he isnt a Christian, and with the way he is living, could this thing end up inhabiting him?
This is a major concern, I have never dealt with anything like this before, and DONT want to, but what in the world is going on?!?!?!?!? One thing that amazes me though, is that my aunt said she has no fear, because she knows that it cant do anything to her, that Christ protects her, she is so calm, that it amazes me....and then you have my uncle, who is always cursing and using God's name, he is very hateful, and NEVER has a nice word for anyone, I sometimes wonder if its already taken over...and he has no fear at all of this thing that he continues to see!
Has anyone else heard of anything like this, and what should happen. I fear for my uncle, I think someone who has watched his wife serve the Lord for years, has heard the Word of God, but continues like this, has faced death twice, and still rejects Christ, and now this thing in their home....what's going to take?
Thanks,
Abby
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/22/2008 5:46:28 PM
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Well, you're definately dealing with a demonic attack there, Abby. Demons can make us see, hear, feel (physically or emotionally), or dream things. But remember that all of these things are an attempt to make us fearful and confused. Know that as a Christian you are covered by the blood of Jesus Christ and you can stand firm on that authority.
The first advice I would give you're aunt, which my pastor gave me when dealing with spiritual warfare, is to pray about the source of the attacks so you know what you're battling against and what to pray against. These types of attacks could come from certain strongholds like the occult or certain sins which have been allowed a foothold somewhere. It could be something from your uncle, someone else in the family, or I've even heard some cases from people bringing things like ouji boards into their homes. In my family, it was a generational thing (depression and lust) and my Dad was the first Christian in his family, so it was never really dealt with until our generation. Pray about it. God will answer you.
Second, you might want to talk to your aunt about anointing her home. If they're seeing this spirit a lot, that's just Satan's way of trying to take his own authority in their home. (Again he does not have authority over us. But he will try to scare us and make us forget our own authority. If you take authority, these attacks will stop. Maybe right away or maybe over a course of time, but it will stop.) In anointing the home, we make a proclamation in the spiritual realm that this place belongs to God and Satan cannot dwell here. It is Biblical (sorry, I dont remember the verse off the top of my head)
Thirdly, if you are ever bothered by a spirit, rebuke it in the name of Jesus and pray. All you have to say is "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus" and command it to leave. God has given you that authority and it has to listen. If nothing else, call on the name of Jesus. I've had experiences where I was unable to speak, and just kept praying and thinking the name of Jesus until it left.
Also quoting scriptures outloud. The Bible is called our sword for a reason, and I can tell you from experience that there is power in speaking it outloud. (Here's a few good ones for you: Luke 10:19; Romans 8:15, 31, 37-39; John 16:33; 1 John 4:4; 1 John 5:4; James 2:19). Also, maybe you or your aunt should contact your pastor. He may be able to offer some helpful advice and prayer.
Remember also that the Bible says that God inhabits the praises of His people, and Satan flees from this. Some nights when I was facing intense attacks, I would just turn on my praise music, read my Bible and worship the Lord.
There are different demonic principalities though, and some leave more easilly than others. My family was dealing with a major stronghold, so it took a long battle of fasting, praying, and continuing to claim authority. In your aunt's case, it could take a day or it could take weeks. Just stay strong and keep praying. :0)
That's all I can think of for now. Hope I my explanations were understandable. Feel free to email me anytime, Abby, if you're having questions or concerns. (meg.beth.21@hotmail.com) I've dealt with some intense spiritual warfare in the past and know others who have as well. I used to be very fearful and concerned about this topic too (Hey, this is heavy stuff to swallow!) but God just kept reminding me that *He* is the King of all things and He is in control. Just keep holding onto Jesus. He will be your peace and your strength!
God bless,
Megan
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/22/2008 5:55:46 PM
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I see this as satan touching us
When I first read your question Job instantly came to mind
Except that Job didn't have the Holy Spirit indwelling him as believers in Jesus do.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/22/2008 6:06:54 PM
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I see this as satan touching us
When I first read your question Job instantly came to mind
Except that Job didn't have the Holy Spirit indwelling him as believers in Jesus do.
Mmmmm... not sure about that one Manda. God called Job righteous and that in all of that came his way, he never sinned.
People in the Old Testament were saved (by grace alone, in Christ Jesus alone, through faith alone) looking forward to the cross. We're saved (by grace alone, in Christ Jesus alone, through faith alone) by looking back.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/22/2008 6:28:56 PM
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ORIGINAL: manda59
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ORIGINAL: InHisService9901
I see this as satan touching us
When I first read your question Job instantly came to mind
Except that Job didn't have the Holy Spirit indwelling him as believers in Jesus do.
Mmmmm... not sure about that one Manda. God called Job righteous and that in all of that came his way, he never sinned.
To my understanding, the Holy Spirit only came to this earth as a permanent presence, and permanently indwelt believers, once Jesus had died and risen again, but that before that the Spirit came to people and then went again.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/22/2008 6:38:32 PM
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Well, you're definately dealing with a demonic attack there, Abby. Demons can make us see, hear, feel (physically or emotionally), or dream things. But remember that all of these things are an attempt to make us fearful and confused. Know that as a Christian you are covered by the blood of Jesus Christ and you can stand firm on that authority.
The first advice I would give you're aunt, which my pastor gave me when dealing with spiritual warfare, is to pray about the source of the attacks so you know what you're battling against and what to pray against. These types of attacks could come from certain strongholds like the occult or certain sins which have been allowed a foothold somewhere. It could be something from your uncle, someone else in the family, or I've even heard some cases from people bringing things like ouji boards into their homes. In my family, it was a generational thing (depression and lust) and my Dad was the first Christian in his family, so it was never really dealt with until our generation. Pray about it. God will answer you.
Second, you might want to talk to your aunt about anointing her home. If they're seeing this spirit a lot, that's just Satan's way of trying to take his own authority in their home. (Again he does not have authority over us. But he will try to scare us and make us forget our own authority. If you take authority, these attacks will stop. Maybe right away or maybe over a course of time, but it will stop.) In anointing the home, we make a proclamation in the spiritual realm that this place belongs to God and Satan cannot dwell here. It is Biblical (sorry, I dont remember the verse off the top of my head)
Thirdly, if you are ever bothered by a spirit, rebuke it in the name of Jesus and pray. All you have to say is "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus" and command it to leave. God has given you that authority and it has to listen. If nothing else, call on the name of Jesus. I've had experiences where I was unable to speak, and just kept praying and thinking the name of Jesus until it left.
Also quoting scriptures outloud. The Bible is called our sword for a reason, and I can tell you from experience that there is power in speaking it outloud. (Here's a few good ones for you: Luke 10:19; Romans 8:15, 31, 37-39; John 16:33; 1 John 4:4; 1 John 5:4; James 2:19). Also, maybe you or your aunt should contact your pastor. He may be able to offer some helpful advice and prayer.
Remember also that the Bible says that God inhabits the praises of His people, and Satan flees from this. Some nights when I was facing intense attacks, I would just turn on my praise music, read my Bible and worship the Lord.
There are different demonic principalities though, and some leave more easilly than others. My family was dealing with a major stronghold, so it took a long battle of fasting, praying, and continuing to claim authority. In your aunt's case, it could take a day or it could take weeks. Just stay strong and keep praying. :0)
That's all I can think of for now. Hope I my explanations were understandable. Feel free to email me anytime, Abby, if you're having questions or concerns. (meg.beth.21@hotmail.com) I've dealt with some intense spiritual warfare in the past and know others who have as well. I used to be very fearful and concerned about this topic too (Hey, this is heavy stuff to swallow!) but God just kept reminding me that *He* is the King of all things and He is in control. Just keep holding onto Jesus. He will be your peace and your strength!
God bless,
Megan
Thank you so much...I have your email as well :)
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/22/2008 7:47:42 PM
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I see this as satan touching us
When I first read your question Job instantly came to mind
Except that Job didn't have the Holy Spirit indwelling him as believers in Jesus do.
Mmmmm... not sure about that one Manda. God called Job righteous and that in all of that came his way, he never sinned.
To my understanding, the Holy Spirit only came to this earth as a permanent presence, and permanently indwelt believers, once Jesus had died and risen again, but that before that the Spirit came to people and then went again.
The point is that Job was God's child like I am His.
Your post came across as saying that the things that happened to Job was because of him not being saved, not being God's child.
Am I misunderstanding?
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/22/2008 8:01:33 PM
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The point is that Job was God's child like I am His.
Your post came across as saying that the things that happened to Job was because of him not being saved, not being God's child.
Am I misunderstanding?
Yes you are. I didn't say that at all.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/22/2008 8:22:24 PM
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Thank you for clarifying.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/22/2008 9:23:10 PM
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delete123
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Well, you're definately dealing with a demonic attack there, Abby. Demons can make us see, hear, feel (physically or emotionally), or dream things. But remember that all of these things are an attempt to make us fearful and confused. Know that as a Christian you are covered by the blood of Jesus Christ and you can stand firm on that authority.
The first advice I would give you're aunt, which my pastor gave me when dealing with spiritual warfare, is to pray about the source of the attacks so you know what you're battling against and what to pray against. These types of attacks could come from certain strongholds like the occult or certain sins which have been allowed a foothold somewhere. It could be something from your uncle, someone else in the family, or I've even heard some cases from people bringing things like ouji boards into their homes. In my family, it was a generational thing (depression and lust) and my Dad was the first Christian in his family, so it was never really dealt with until our generation. Pray about it. God will answer you.
Second, you might want to talk to your aunt about anointing her home. If they're seeing this spirit a lot, that's just Satan's way of trying to take his own authority in their home. (Again he does not have authority over us. But he will try to scare us and make us forget our own authority. If you take authority, these attacks will stop. Maybe right away or maybe over a course of time, but it will stop.) In anointing the home, we make a proclamation in the spiritual realm that this place belongs to God and Satan cannot dwell here. It is Biblical (sorry, I dont remember the verse off the top of my head)
Thirdly, if you are ever bothered by a spirit, rebuke it in the name of Jesus and pray. All you have to say is "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus" and command it to leave. God has given you that authority and it has to listen. If nothing else, call on the name of Jesus. I've had experiences where I was unable to speak, and just kept praying and thinking the name of Jesus until it left.
Also quoting scriptures outloud. The Bible is called our sword for a reason, and I can tell you from experience that there is power in speaking it outloud. (Here's a few good ones for you: Luke 10:19; Romans 8:15, 31, 37-39; John 16:33; 1 John 4:4; 1 John 5:4; James 2:19). Also, maybe you or your aunt should contact your pastor. He may be able to offer some helpful advice and prayer.
Remember also that the Bible says that God inhabits the praises of His people, and Satan flees from this. Some nights when I was facing intense attacks, I would just turn on my praise music, read my Bible and worship the Lord.
There are different demonic principalities though, and some leave more easilly than others. My family was dealing with a major stronghold, so it took a long battle of fasting, praying, and continuing to claim authority. In your aunt's case, it could take a day or it could take weeks. Just stay strong and keep praying. :0)
That's all I can think of for now. Hope I my explanations were understandable. Feel free to email me anytime, Abby, if you're having questions or concerns. (meg.beth.21@hotmail.com) I've dealt with some intense spiritual warfare in the past and know others who have as well. I used to be very fearful and concerned about this topic too (Hey, this is heavy stuff to swallow!) but God just kept reminding me that *He* is the King of all things and He is in control. Just keep holding onto Jesus. He will be your peace and your strength!
God bless,
Megan
I totally agree with this and DO NOT forget to cover yourself and family with the armour of God Ephesians 6:12-18.
People may disagree but since your aunt married an unbeliever he is actually covered according to scriptures by her belief. It is sort of an umbrella that he fell into.
It does not stop the demonic effects, but he is covered by christ by her belief. See I believe corinthians where it talks about a believer being married tro a non believer.
Trust me on this, I do not want to go into details but it is true, God is covering your uncle by his wifes beliefs.
But to break this stronghold, it is impartive that he learns and believes the tuth himself.
Lord have Mercy Abby, I will pray as personally I know how real it is.
I pray your uncle accepts Christ even though he claims no fear.
Yeah and I walk through the Valley of the shadow of death and I will fear no evil
Praise God
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/22/2008 9:38:25 PM
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Thank you Delete,
I have often wondered about that Scripture, i know what your talking about, I havent looked it up yet, but it does say, if a believer marries a non-believer, the believer will carry the non-believer through....something like that, I need to look it up....anyway, my aunt was not a Christian when they married 30 years ago, but has been a Christian now, probably 20 years, if not more....but my uncle has never accepted Christ, and believe me, he has heard though! You cannot go into my aunts house unless you hear about the Lord, its wonderful! I always look forward to seeing her, and she has no fear of this thing, even the night she seen it looking at her, she was ok......she will admit, that she doesnt like it, but she she isnt scared. So, does that Scripture apply to her? I mean you can be a believer and not be saved right? I always believed in Christ, but wasnt saved until 17 months ago.
And this is something else I wonder about. Ok she is a Christian and he isnt, so is that Scripture mean that before my uncle passes away, that we will see him saved? Because of the covenant that my aunt has with God, that we will see him saved?
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/22/2008 10:54:17 PM
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Ok she is a Christian and he isnt, so is that Scripture mean that before my uncle passes away, that we will see him saved? Because of the covenant that my aunt has with God, that we will see him saved?
To my understanding is yes, your uncle is saved through his wife's beliefs. that is what I was taught. It is like insurance an umbrella effect. The umbrella covers those, so they will not get wet.
My first husband was raised prodestant and I am Catholic, yet He was covered under me, because I have salvation through Christ. He did not attend church and actually stopped me from attending a church.
He used my past against me to stop me from going.
Anyhow we divorced and I tried to help him and did for 2 or so years until he remarried.
Before he died he asked for a minister and as far as I know he got bedside deliverance. Had he done nothing He would have been covered under me, since I was the believer and his belief was weak.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/22/2008 11:13:18 PM
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To my understanding is yes, your uncle is saved through his wife's beliefs. that is what I was taught. It is like insurance an umbrella effect. The umbrella covers those, so they will not get wet.
My first husband was raised prodestant and I am Catholic, yet He was covered under me, because I have salvation through Christ. He did not attend church and actually stopped me from attending a church.
He used my past against me to stop me from going.
Anyhow we divorced and I tried to help him and did for 2 or so years until he remarried.
Before he died he asked for a minister and as far as I know he got bedside deliverance. Had he done nothing He would have been covered under me, since I was the believer and his belief was weak.
Sorry, I totally disagree with you as I consider that to conflict with the Scripture that says that salvation comes by personal commitment to Christ and personal obedience to Him. Also Scripture would surely not be so clear about not being unequally yoked with unbelievers if unbelievers were saved by being married to believers.
The word in 1 Corinthians 7 v 14 is "sanctified". Now, I believe that in this instance "sanctified" means "set apart" - in that being married to a believer, they are relatively "set apart" from the world and therefore more open to Christian influence.
But certainly not saved.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/22/2008 11:29:04 PM
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OK she is a Christian and he isn't, so is that Scripture mean that before my uncle passes away, that we will see him saved? Because of the covenant that my aunt has with God, that we will see him saved?
To my understanding is yes, your uncle is saved through his wife's beliefs. that is what I was taught. It is like insurance an umbrella effect. The umbrella covers those, so they will not get wet.
My first husband was raised Protestant and I am Catholic, yet He was covered under me, because I have salvation through Christ. He did not attend church and actually stopped me from attending a church.
He used my past against me to stop me from going.
Anyhow we divorced and I tried to help him and did for 2 or so years until he remarried.
Before he died he asked for a minister and as far as I know he got bedside deliverance. Had he done nothing He would have been covered under me, since I was the believer and his belief was weak.
Try again.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/22/2008 11:57:28 PM
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Yes, a demon can physically touch a Christian. It has happened to me many times, particularly during a two-year period I went through when the Lord was revealing to me a whole bunch of stuff in my life. I had been saved for many years at the time, and was truly desiring to walk with Him. I believe He allowed me to experience these things for a number of reasons:
- to show me that satan's realm is real
- to bring to my attention areas of my past that were hindering my current walk
- to reveal past bondages of family
- to show certain people close to me that we have responsibilty in prayer
- to strength my own prayer life and teach me
- and He may have had other reasons too that I am not aware of yet! 
I was allowed to be attacked. Physical sensations included something digging me very painfully in the side, to the degree that afterwards I could still feel the aftermath, something tried to squash my cheeks, I have experienced the "smothering" thing, and after telling a particular thing that it was not allowed to do this to me because I belong to Jesus, I physically felt it get up and go. I was wide awake at the time. There have been others too.
These things haven't happened for a long time now. The Lord allows us to go through seasons. There was a season of that for me, it seems.
So, from my point of view, there's little point in theologians arguing the point of whether it can happen or not according to the Bible - the fact is, it has happened.
Sherri
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/23/2008 12:18:26 AM
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To my understanding is yes, your uncle is saved through his wife's beliefs. that is what I was taught. It is like insurance an umbrella effect. The umbrella covers those, so they will not get wet.
My first husband was raised prodestant and I am Catholic, yet He was covered under me, because I have salvation through Christ. He did not attend church and actually stopped me from attending a church.
He used my past against me to stop me from going.
Anyhow we divorced and I tried to help him and did for 2 or so years until he remarried.
Before he died he asked for a minister and as far as I know he got bedside deliverance. Had he done nothing He would have been | | |
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