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Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touch us... - 11/17/2008 10:33:00 PM
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AbbyGrace
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I want to know, can an evil spirit touch us? And when I say, "Touch" I mean literally touch us, and we feel it?
I'm asking because I heard someone say, and this person is a Christian, that he has had an evil spirit touch him, and it's like he was paralyzed!! When the discussion got deeper, a lady made the same remark about this, that she had experienced this as well. And these peole are not married, and no, they do not live in the same household, but I know for a fact, that they are Christians. They both claimed at first they were startled, because that's what the devil tries to do....is scare us.
Has anyone else experienced this?
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/17/2008 11:30:40 PM
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It would seem to me they can. Here's a few passages I found when searching up 'evil spirts' in the bible.
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Ephesians 6:12:
12 For we[a] are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.
Mark 5:13:
13 So Jesus gave them permission. The evil spirits came out of the man and entered the pigs, and the entire herd of 2,000 pigs plunged down the steep hillside into the lake and drowned in the water.
Genesis 32:25
25When the man saw that he did not prevail against Jacob, he touched his hip socket, and Jacob’s hip was put out of joint as he wrestled with him.
Not all evil spirits are from Satan, sometimes the lord sends them to do his 'dirty work'.
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“But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the Lord troubled him” (1 Samuel 16:14); “And it happened on the next day that the distressing spirit from God came upon Saul” (1 Samuel 18:10;
1 Kings 22:19-22
19And Micaiah said, "Therefore hear the word of the LORD:(N) I saw the LORD sitting on his throne,(O) and all the host of heaven standing beside him on his right hand and on his left; 20and the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said one thing, and another said another. 21Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, 'I will entice him.' 22And the LORD said to him, 'By what means?' And he said, 'I will go out, and will be(P) a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And he said, 'You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go out and do so.'
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/18/2008 12:21:07 AM
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Not all evil spirits are from Satan, sometimes the lord sends them to do his 'dirty work'.
“But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the Lord troubled him” (1 Samuel 16:14); “And it happened on the next day that the distressing spirit from God came upon Saul” (1 Samuel 18:10;
Incorrect.
The distressing spirit was 'allowed' to torment Saul. It was still a fallen angel/demon...therefore from Satan.
The Lord doesn't have dirty work. Justice, Punishment, ect, etc, is not dirty work.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/18/2008 1:47:59 AM
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I do not believe that an evil spirit could either indwell or 'touch' a born again Christian in the manner you have described, unless (as with Job), God allows it.
Romans 8:38-39
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/18/2008 2:21:29 AM
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I would like to think that it could only happen if our Lord permitted it or if we strayed too far from His protection...
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/18/2008 2:30:27 AM
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I've had the paralyzing experience you describe. It's not really a touch, as in flesh-to-flesh. It's more of a hovering presence you can feel within your soul, inner being, and goosebumps that cover your body. It's more of a cold presence that makes it's self known. I had this experience when I was praying to invite God back into my life at age 16. It actually shook my door to my bedroom. I thought that my younger sister was trying to open my door. When I went to let her in, there was no one there. I checked on everyone... my father, mother, and two sisters were all asleep. Even the cat and dog were out cold. I went back to bed thinking there had to be some explanation. The spirit thing didn't even enter my mind. I went back to my bed and back to praying. I was so excited to renew my commitment and I was very happy at the moment when all of a sudden I felt a cold presence hovering over me. It seemed to command my attention and I felt paralyzed. I just knew that whatever it was, it was surrounding my body completely. I wasn't literally paralyzed, but emotionally and mentally paralyzed. So scared to move that I couldn't. I felt what seemed like something breathing on me, a cold presence, and then I started hearing a voice in my head that was not my own. It kept saying 'God does love you. Why would God love you'. I kept arguing back and forth with the voice in my head until I finally decided to get up the courage to run into my parents room. I woke my dad up. He's a very strong Christian and a very wise man. We talked and prayed for hours. He told me that I wasn't crazy, which was reassuring. He actually shared with me a similar experience he had after witnessing an exorcism. He said that he wasn't as strong in his faith as he should have been and almost half disbelieved the whole concept of possession and exorcism at the time. The demon sensed his weakness among those there and for a week after it was cast out of the man, it stalked him. It sounds like something out of a horror movie, but this all really happened!
The night it happened to me, my father told me that he believed it was a scare tactic. Satin was trying to scare me away from praying to God and rededicating my life to him that night. Even though he shared this with me, the scare tactic worked for a very long time. After that, I was afraid to pray in my room alone at night for years. Within the past year, I watched the movie 'The Exorcism of Emily Rose'. The scene in which she becomes possessed, was all to familiar to me. Obviously, in movies they can't show what someone is feeling, so they show a dramatized version of what she felt (this movie is based on a true story). She's lying in bed at night and everything seems fairly normal. She starts to look cold and scared. Then something presses down on her and you can see her sink into the mattress. If I had to physically show someone how my situation mentally felt, this would be a dead on reenactment. However, I do not recommend watching this movie. It is too scary for me. I like to stay away from those types of movie. I only saw this one because I was visiting my parents and my younger sister rented it.
Although this experience was a little frightening at the time, I now see it as affirmation of the spiritual world. I no longer question the existence of the spiritual realm in the back of my mind, God's sovereignty or the devil’s cunning prowess. I was literally caught in the middle of a spiritual battle over my own soul and now I not only believe in the truth, I know the truth.
Sorry for the long post, but it seemed relevant.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/18/2008 5:03:28 AM
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I remember being in bed one night and I must have been sleeping. I was trying to say, "Jesus is Lord" and was finding it extremely difficult to get these words out but I was determined to say them none-the-less. I could not move and felt totally paralyed. Even my mouth seemed paralysed and this is why I was finding it so difficult to speak. I said "Jesus is Lord" in very, very slow motion. I could also hear someone else's voice saying,"Noooooooo! " in a long and drawn out way alongside me. Whoever was saying "No" did not want me to say, "Jesus is Lord" and it angered them. I believe this was a dream but it was so real and it woke me up.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/18/2008 8:57:19 AM
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quote:
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ORIGINAL: Preludeian
Not all evil spirits are from Satan, sometimes the lord sends them to do his 'dirty work'.
“But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the Lord troubled him” (1 Samuel 16:14); “And it happened on the next day that the distressing spirit from God came upon Saul” (1 Samuel 18:10;
Incorrect.
The distressing spirit was 'allowed' to torment Saul. It was still a fallen angel/demon...therefore from Satan.
The Lord doesn't have dirty work. Justice, Punishment, ect, etc, is not dirty work.
I agree. God doesn't send evil spirits, but, sometimes He allows it, or doesn't hold it back.
Anyway, yes, they can and they do! And sometimes Christians get attacked harder than non-Christians. Especially Christians that are a great threat to the devil's "kingdom". The devil wants to stop us from our calling, our ministries. But, we have the power of the blood on our side. Greater is He that is within us than he that is within the world.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/18/2008 9:24:31 AM
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The devil does exist and he will do his best to drive us away from God. The closer we are to God, the more we pray, the harder he works to lead us astray.
There's no point him tempting or troubling non-believers. Is there?
So he turns his attention to those who believe in God.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/18/2008 9:33:57 AM
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The bible is silent on this question. There are some that claim to have physically felt the presence of demons. I suppose it may be possible.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/18/2008 12:25:50 PM
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The Lord doesn't have dirty work. Justice, Punishment, ect, etc, is not dirty work.
I'm sure "dirty work" was meant as an expression, not in the literal sense.
In my own experience, I've had occasional dreams where I was struggling with some unseen entity, it's very scary. During one of these dreams, I actually bit "it" on the hand, and I could sense that "it" actually felt pain. When I call out to Jesus to help me, the dreams fade and I wake up. Fortunately, I haven't had these very often and haven't had one recently.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/18/2008 5:58:57 PM
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Yes I believe they can touch us and hinder us. A few examples have been given as in King Saul the lord allowed an evil spirit to oppress him.
Also in Job God allowed satan to touch Job (not in the beginning) but not to kill him. In which Job suffered from what even the best theologians believe were boils (that covered his body from satans touch).
I have gone through an experience in which I feel the cold presence and know it was not from God.( I can actually go into detail, but folks would think they were listening to me tell of a 3d movie.)
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/18/2008 7:13:03 PM
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YES THEY CAN TOUCH YOU INFACT I'M GOING THREW SOMETHING RIGHT NOW GOD IS LOOKING FOR EMPLOYMENT FOR ME BUT A BLOCK MAY BE ON MY LIFE CAUSE SATAN NO I WILL SHINE!! MY KIDDS NEED ME...MY OLDEST SON GOT ON THE PHONE PRAYING 4 ME THAT I WILL GET A JOB SOON..AMEN SOMEONE WILL CALL ME TOMOROW 
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/18/2008 7:21:39 PM
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/18/2008 7:40:10 PM
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The Lord doesn't have dirty work. Justice, Punishment, ect, etc, is not dirty work.
I'm sure "dirty work" was meant as an expression, not in the literal sense.
In my own experience, I've had occasional dreams where I was struggling with some unseen entity, it's very scary. During one of these dreams, I actually bit "it" on the hand, and I could sense that "it" actually felt pain. When I call out to Jesus to help me, the dreams fade and I wake up. Fortunately, I haven't had these very often and haven't had one recently.
You are correct. It's nothing more than a expression. I'll be a little more specific next time.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/19/2008 12:29:23 AM
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Just read a book on demonic possesion in Ireland and yes there were instances of people suffering from very real demonic attack and even the exorcists said that demonic possession was very rare indeed. Nevertheless, they did recount numerous similar instances of spirits touching their victims so as to paralyse them through fear. Interestinglyall had opened themselves to attack through involvment with or interest with the occult.
Victims described them as dark figures and I remember soon after I became a christian I had a dream of being in a room and I was carrying a lot of dark bottles when this dark figure came up and fell on me. I fell back but would not drop the bottles to fight back. In the end I droped the bottles and they broke and the figure departed.
I can only see it as showing that I had to give up somethings and I was unwilling to do so. I then saw it as a warning that as long as I hung on to those bottles or sins I would be open to attack.
I also watched the exorcist late one night by my self and got a great vision of Christ entering the room were the girl was. As He did so the door posts and door bent and snapped to bow the their Lord and all hell knelt to confess Christ is lord. One poor brother in Christ also told me that he had seen satan and my first thought was that it must have super-charged his faith in Christ but it hadn't.
The one thing from reading about exorcisms is that the name of Christ and faith is all sufficient in defeating the enemy. The one thing we should not do is to fear satan more than God. Scripture says that in the end we will see satan as he really is and marvel that he was able to bring so much destruction amongst men which just goes to suggest that we are more than conquers in Christ. It also makes you wonder that there is more to our being in Christ than we realise.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/19/2008 11:03:12 AM
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/19/2008 12:02:12 PM
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I went to www.biblegateway.com and typed in "touch" and noted the NT verses... and there is was:
We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.
I John 5:18
Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words says:
"hapto" (Greek) to touch, lay hold of, kindle a fire, and in I John 5:18, to assault. Huh.
We also know that if we resist the devil, he will flee, so in order for him to flee from us he has to be close to us.
So if the devil bugs us but can't assault us, there's a fine line between those and I don't know where it is. I haven't got any more verses on this so I'm stalemated; if the Bible doesn't say, we can't say, either.
Any scholars out there who can shed more light on this?
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/19/2008 2:27:22 PM
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I don't believe they can touch (as in physically touch) nor possess believers in Christ. But I do believe that they can oppress believers - which can result in the believer feeling something like coldness or clamminess (those here with the gift of discernment will know what I mean, that kind of sudden shudder/shiver you get that is most definitely not from the Holy Spirit). But I don't class that as a "touch", more the atmosphere surrounding the demonic presence. I've felt this myself, both when a demon was trying to oppress me, and also when I've walked along a street, or into a house, where a demon was oppressing someone (or maybe even possessing them, if it was an unbeliever). I've also felt that on occasions when I've been in my car, and driving past demonic presences.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/19/2008 10:36:41 PM
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I talked to my dad about this and he is a Christian. He went into great detail about what he has felt, and it has been a touch, along with the paralyzing feeling. He said, it has happened to him, just after he goes to bed, and he said it is the devil trying to scare him. He said the first time it happened, years ago, it did scare him, but not today. He said he has actually been in the bed, when he has felt a touch in the middle of his back, and he said this is not while he was sleeping, but wide awake, not long after he has gotten in the bed, and as soon as it happens.....its a paralyzing feeling all over, to the point of not being able to speak. He has never felt the coldness, or a chill, but an actual touch.
It doesnt happen alot, but at one time it was, he said especially years ago, right after he first got saved. He said to the point, that he was sleeping with his Bible under the bed. This was probably 33 years ago. But its like someone else stated here, why would the devil bother the unbelivers, he is deffianetly out to "try" and get those who belong to Christ, and who are a threat to him, so he tries a tactic by scaring people.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/19/2008 11:13:36 PM
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Abbygrace,
I can attest, both experientially and scripturally, that demons can touch a human.
It happened to me one time in 1972. I was a 6 month old new believer and had just received the baptism of the Holy Spirit a few weeks earlier. I was going with my girlfriend and her folks to her grandparents farm. We didn't get there until about 2:30 in the morning. They put me in a room by myself and I had been in bed for about a half hour when all of a sudden the chiming clock in the hallway started chiming...but it wouldn't quit and it kept getting louder. Then the wind picked up suddenly and was blowing very hard within a few seconds. I was wondering what is going on when all of a sudden I heard a voice coming from the outside wall that my head was laying against. I couldn't quite make out what it was saying because of the noise of the clock and wind and I started to turn my head to hear better when all of a sudden, what felt like a pair of hands, grabbed both sides of my face and seemed to be pulling me toward the wall. I freaked out and started pleading the blood, and as soon as I got the name Jesus out of my mouth, the hands instantly let go, the wind died down and the clock quit chiming. I reached over and got my watch out of my boot and it was 3:05 AM.
The scripture to confirm that demons can inflict not only touch, but bodily harm is the following.
ACT 19:16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, mastered all of them, and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/20/2008 2:37:26 PM
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Him4all, Wow what an experience. But something that stood out was that you said it happened about 3:00am in the morning.
I've heard that alot of demonic stuff usually happens at 3:00am. Is that true? I've heard it said that it's caue rituals and things are done at that hour and that's why you usually hear about things like this happening at that time. Is there any truth to it?
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/20/2008 11:21:45 PM
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angie4God,
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I've heard that alot of demonic stuff usually happens at 3:00am. Is that true?
For years I felt there might be something significant about 3am, but I always just figured it was just because of my personal experience. Then a couple of years ago I found out differently. And it came about when I was watching the same movie that schnei08 mentioned in post #6. That movie was "The Exorcism of Emily Rose". It was 'supposedly' based upon a true story (with Hollywood embelishment no doubt). In the movie it was brought out, that demonic activity peaks at that time because it is the exact opposite, of the time that Jesus was suppose to have died on the cross...3pm. I do know that I got 'goosebumps' when I saw the clock turn over to 3am in the movie, and demonic manifestation started to take place. Other than that, I can't say much more.
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/21/2008 8:34:54 AM
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The scripture to confirm that demons can inflict not only touch, but bodily harm is the following.
ACT 19:16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, mastered all of them, and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
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Just an FYI for those reading...
Acts 19:16 has the person, the human, that is inhabited/possessed by demon(s) attack... it was not a demon that has physical form of its own attacking..
This one caveat of our discussion reminds me of another similar one we had a few years ago. It was regarding whether or not demons can have sexual relations with humans.
Genesis 6:4 is one of the most controversial passages in the Bible. As with any difficult section of Scripture, it has been open to a wide variety of interpretations. It is my conviction however, that those who hold consistently to a biblical worldview must reject the notion that women and demons can engage in sexual relations. I reject this interpretation of pagan superstition into the Scriptures for the following reasons.
First and foremost, the notion that demons can "produce" real bodies and have real sex with real women would invalidate Jesus' argument for the authenticity of His resurrection.
Jesus assured His disciples that a "spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have" (Luke 24:39). If indeed a demon could produce flesh and bones Jesus' argument would not only be flawed, it would be misleading.
In fact, it might be logically argued that the disciples did not see the post-resurrection appearances of Christ but rather a demon masquerading as the resurrected Christ.
Furthermore, demons are nonsexual nonphysical beings and as such are incapable of having sexual relations and producing physical offspring.
To say that demons can create bodies with DNA and fertile sperm is to say that demons have creative power - which is an exclusively divine prerogative. If demons could have sex with women in ancient times, we would have no assurance they could not do so in modern times.
Nor would we have any guarantee that the people we encounter every day are fully human. While a biblical worldview does allow for fallen angels to possess unsaved human beings, it does not support the notion that a demon-possessed person can produce offspring that are part-demon, part human.
Genesis 1 makes it clear that all of God's living creations are designed to reproduce "according to their own kinds."
Finally, the mutant theory creates serious questions pertaining to the spiritual accountability of hypothetical demon-humans and their relation to humanity's redemption. Angels rebelled individually, are judged individually, and are offered no plan of redemption in Scripture. On the other hand, humans fell corporately in Adam, are judged corporately in Adam, and are redeemed corporately through Jesus Christ.
We have no biblical way of determining what category the demon-humans would fit into - whether they would be judged as angels or as men, or more significantly, whether they might even be among those for whom Christ died.
I believe the better interpretation is that "sons of God" simply refers to the godly descendants of Seth, and "daughters of men" to the ungodly descendants of Cain.
Their cohabitation caused humanity to fall into such utter depravity that God said: "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth - men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air - for I am grieved that I have made them. But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord" (Genesis 6:7-8).
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RE: Can an evil spirit touch us? I mean literally touc... - 11/21/2008 8:43:24 AM
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Having said all of that.........
I do want to clarify that the demonic realm is as real as the air I breath. That war is waged in the spiritual realm and that yes there are instances of demonic movement/workings amongst us. I have seen it first hand and Scripture is crystal clear it exists.
Which is why we are to daily pray to have on the full armor of God. Knowing that greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world.
The faith that serves to protect us in spiritual warfare is not to be confused with mere knowledge. Millions worldwide believe in the trustworthiness of Billy Graham. They have heard him proclaim the Good News on television and yet do not believe that his message corresponds to reality.
Thus, they have the knowledge that it takes to be saved but do not have saving faith. Others hear the message, agree that it corresponds to reality, but due to the hardness of their hearts do not bow.
Rather, like demons, the continue to live in fearful anticipation of the judgment to come (James 2:19).
Some, however, have what Scripture describes as genuine justifying faith - a faith that not only knows about the gospel and agrees that its content corresponds to reality, but a faith by which they are transformed.
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