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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 6:11:05 PM
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sledmt
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For that matter, where does it tell us it ok to hand out tracts?
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 6:32:14 PM
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Where does in the Scripture says that most Christian don't need to opeate in any gifts?
You don't see any gifts at work in Mr. Comfort's ministry? Well, I sincerely disagree. He seems to have the gift of evangelism, as well as the gift of teaching. There may be other gifts at work too, behind the scenes.
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For that matter, where does it tell us it ok to hand out tracts?
That's like asking where it says it's OK to drive a car. Tracts weren't around back then. But I don't see anything that prohibits us from distributing the message of the gospel in a written/pictorial medium, do you?
I answered your questions, please answer mine.
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 7:22:54 PM
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Where does in the Scripture says that most Christian don't need to opeate in any gifts?
You don't see any gifts at work in Mr. Comfort's ministry? Well, I sincerely disagree. He seems to have the gift of evangelism, as well as the gift of teaching. There may be other gifts at work too, behind the scenes.
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For that matter, where does it tell us it ok to hand out tracts?
That's like asking where it says it's OK to drive a car. Tracts weren't around back then. But I don't see anything that prohibits us from distributing the message of the gospel in a written/pictorial medium, do you?
I answered your questions, please answer mine.
I don't see the verse, hand out tracts when witnessing?
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 9:54:51 PM
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You don't see any gifts at work in Mr. Comfort's ministry? Well, I sincerely disagree. He seems to have the gift of evangelism, as well as the gift of teaching. There may be other gifts at work too, behind the scenes.
Where does the Bible define "evangelism, teaching" as gifts?
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 10:05:46 PM
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MrFribbles
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sledmt,
Please answer my questions. I will post them again.
Where in Scripture is it said that every Christian will get the front end loader (or - where in Scripture does it say everyone has access to all gifts)?
Do you really think some gifts are better than others?
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 10:08:40 PM
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sledmt,
Please answer my questions. I will post them again.
Where in Scripture is it said that every Christian will get the front end loader (or - where in Scripture does it say everyone has access to all gifts)?
Do you really think some gifts are better than others?
I never said.
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 10:09:18 PM
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I never said.
I'm a bit confused. What did you never say?
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 10:10:05 PM
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All I'm saying is that most Christian don't use the "front-end" loader.
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 10:11:24 PM
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All I'm saying is that most Christian don't use the "front-end" loader.
Am I correct in understanding that, when you say "front-end" loader, you mean the gift of words of knowledge?
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 10:14:54 PM
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All I'm saying is that most Christian don't use the "front-end" loader.
Am I correct in understanding that, when you say "front-end" loader, you mean the gift of words of knowledge?
yes
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 10:16:42 PM
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So, again, I ask you - where in Scripture does it say every believer has access to the gift of words of knowledge?
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 10:19:25 PM
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So, again, I ask you - where in Scripture does it say every believer has access to the gift of words of knowledge?
I'm not saying that everyone will operate in the word of knowledge, but how many pastors have you heard incoarage you to seek this gift.
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 10:21:28 PM
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I'm not saying that everyone will operate in the word of knowledge
Then why do you criticize Ray for not using it?
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how many pastors have you heard incoarage you to seek this gift.
None that I trust, because the ones that I trust recognize that it is God who gives the gifts, as He sees fit. It's not for us to decide which gifts we get.
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 10:23:52 PM
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Does every believer have access to the Holy Spirit. yes
So, every believer has the chance of recieving a word of knowledge from the Holy Spirit.
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 10:25:48 PM
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Does every believer have access to the Holy Spirit. yes
More than access. Every believer is personally indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
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So, every believer has the chance of recieving a word of knowledge from the Holy Spirit.
One more time - Scriptural support, please?
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 10:28:13 PM
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I'm not saying that everyone will operate in the word of knowledge
Then why do you criticize Ray for not using it?
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how many pastors have you heard incoarage you to seek this gift.
None that I trust, because the ones that I trust recognize that it is God who gives the gifts, as He sees fit. It's not for us to decide which gifts we get.
Do you know anyone personal that moves in the word of knowledge?
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 10:29:27 PM
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Do you know anyone personal that moves in the word of knowledge?
Nope, I do not. My wife does. Please answer my question.
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 10:30:52 PM
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Does every believer have access to the Holy Spirit. yes
More than access. Every believer is personally indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
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So, every believer has the chance of recieving a word of knowledge from the Holy Spirit.
One more time - Scriptural support, please?
The gifts of the Spirit are listed in 1 Cor. 12:7-11. Word of knowledge is in the group.
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 10:33:48 PM
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The gifts of the Spirit are listed in 1 Cor. 12:7-11. Word of knowledge is in the group.
If you look at that passage, it says that to one this gift is given, to one that gift is given, etc. It does not say to all. What's more, the chapter goes on to explain that Christians are the body of Christ, and that the body is made up of many parts. We aren't supposed to try and be parts we're not. Look at verses 29-30. The construction there clearly assumed a negative response. We are not all given every gift.
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 10:56:28 PM
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I'm saying that every believer should have one or more gifts listed in 1 Cor 12. Not every believer would have all the gifts listed in Cor. But should have one from the list.
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/22/2008 11:57:15 PM
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I'm saying that every believer should have one or more gifts listed in 1 Cor 12. Not every believer would have all the gifts listed in Cor. But should have one from the list.
I completely agree with this. But then why do you say Ray should use a word of knowledge, if you admit every gift isn't for every believer?
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/24/2008 12:42:55 AM
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Relax...The world will not collapse because Ray does not use "Word of Knowledge."
He is definitely gifted with a quick wit and a brave spirit. He can somehow keep the conversation going long enough to plant a seed or maybe do a little more. He has inspired me to witness. I see what he does and think maybe I could do that.
He really does a good job at summarizing the essentials of the Gospel as set forth in the Bible. And let me tell you Word of Knowledge may be a gift, but it is not an essential part of the Gospel. It is certainly possible to present the Gospel correctly without using Word of Knowledge. It's done every day.
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When we see someone not correctly moving in this, this should bother us enough to seek the Lord and show us how to correctly move in this gift so others can learn from us.
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/24/2008 10:44:21 AM
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Where does the Bible define "evangelism, teaching" as gifts?
(Eph 4:11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
(Eph 4:12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
(Eph 4:13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Verse 11 defines them as gifts to the Church from Christ.
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/26/2008 11:52:50 PM
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You don't see any gifts at work in Mr. Comfort's ministry? Well, I sincerely disagree. He seems to have the gift of evangelism, as well as the gift of teaching. There may be other gifts at work too, behind the scenes.
Where does the Bible define "evangelism, teaching" as gifts?
Where does the Bible speak of the lie that is "Word of Knowledge"?
And I hope it's not 1 Cor.12:8.
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RE: The things I don't like about Ray Comfort's approac... - 11/28/2008 8:17:11 PM
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sledmt,
Please answer my questions. I will post them again.
Where in Scripture is it said that every Christian will get the front end loader (or - where in Scripture does it say everyone has access to all gifts)?
Do you really think some gifts are better than others?
It sure sounds like you are "picking a fight" over this issue. I can "hear" what is being stated here, and it doesn't conflict with Scripture. You seem like one of those types that stands behind the stairway door, holding the Bible like a baseball bat, all the while missing the point of the discussion. Please take that as constructive criticism, and if you know what Scripture you intend to reference, then go ahead and state it, -don't bait the other person into proving that he may not know what you are going to say next. To answer your question about are some gifts better than others, see 1 Cor. 12:31 But eagerly desire the greater gifts.
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