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If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/13/2008 9:09:29 PM
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Brock.L
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Hi everyone. My name is Brock, and I'm new to the forums. I heard a question today, and it really got my attention, so I would like to share it with anyone and everyone, who might be interested, and I would really like Scripture to back up what you think. Thank you ahead of time.
I heard someone say today, "If it's in the Bible, It is so. It is not even to be prayed about; it is to be received and acted upon. Increase comes by action, by using what we have and what we know."
1 Peter 1:3 (Was referred to as a "Lively Hope.")
I have really been thinking about this statement, and reading the Bible for Scripture on this.
Please share what this means to you, if anything.
Again, Thank you.
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/13/2008 9:11:47 PM
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Hey Brock-
Any chance you could fill me in on the background/context of that comment?
I could either agree or disagree depending on the way it was expressed or intended.
Oh, and welcome by the way.
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/13/2008 9:17:17 PM
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Brock.L
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Hey Brock-
Any chance you could fill me in on the background/context of that comment?
I could either agree or disagree depending on the way it was expressed or intended.
Oh, and welcome by the way.
BT
Sorry, I should have added that, this person was speaking on (1 Peter 1:3) He referred to this as a "Lively Hope."
Thank you for the welcome.
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/13/2008 9:25:47 PM
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It depends on what you are talking about. There are parts of the bible where the information is part of the culture of the time and is not applicable to our lives today (the dietary rules in the OT, the keeping of slaves..are examples).
There are things in the bible that are straightforward and true. (such as that salvation is by grace for those who believe in Christ ).. and there are some that are interpreted differently by different people (such as whether women must wear skirts or whether they can teach men ).
The Holy Spirit guides us in our choices and it is our responsibility to listen carefully.
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/13/2008 9:35:51 PM
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It depends on what you are talking about. There are parts of the bible where the information is part of the culture of the time and is not applicable to our lives today (the dietary rules in the OT, the keeping of slaves..are examples).
There are things in the bible that are straightforward and true. (such as that salvation is by grace for those who believe in Christ ).. and there are some that are interpreted differently by different people (such as whether women must wear skirts or whether they can teach men ).
The Holy Spirit guides us in our choices and it is our responsibility to listen carefully.
Your right. But this guy was referring to, "Anything the Bible says, it's to be received." And this was stressed. So, this is what I gathered, Im a Christian, so anything that Im up against, I dont have to pray, if its in His Word, I receive it, and by doing that its made a lively hope, a hope put in action. Now, this is just what I gather again, maybe instead of one praying, and hoping He answers, Im suppose to say, I receive it Lord...whatever maybe going on in my life, and its put in action. Im no longer hoping, but claiming it. But I need Scripture before I can say Im right, thats why I want everyones input on this.
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/13/2008 10:01:32 PM
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1Peter1:3,4Praise be to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In His great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.4 and into the inheritance that can never perish, spoil, or fade----
Ephesians1:12-14 in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ might be for the praise of his glory. And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the day of redemption of those who are God's possession.
I believe the speaker you are referring to is mistaken in his stance. I would actually think it to be a dangerous stance.
#1 Our relationship with God is not His word alone but our personal communication to Him in prayer.
To say prayer is invalid then he is contradicting the gospels in which Jesus Himself gave us an example prayer.
Prayer is an essential part of our daly walk, as Paul stated: Pray without ceasing
There are somethings in the bible you may not want to claim. I would be leary of what this teacher was trying to state.
Just my two cents
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/13/2008 11:17:52 PM
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When a person is even tangentially aware of the difference between appropriate and inappropriate obedience he is responsible to the light shown him for that implies an ever deepening privilege and responsibility.
James 1:12-'Blessed is anyone who endures temptation. Such a one has stood the test and will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him. 13 No one, when tempted, should say, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil and he himself tempts no one. 14 But one is tempted by one's own desire, being lured and enticed by it; 15 then, when that desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin, and that sin, when it is fully grown, gives birth to death. 16 Do not be deceived, my beloved.' (Actually vs16 should preface vss12-15.)
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 6:58:39 AM
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maybe instead of one praying, and hoping He answers, Im suppose to say, I receive it Lord...whatever maybe going on in my life, and its put in action. Im no longer hoping, but claiming it. That sounds very close to Word of Faith doctrine, which is dangerous.
"Christianity is a relationship, not a religion." I am sure you have heard that. Well, it is true, if one uses a wrong definition of religion.
Christianity is relational because the God of the Bible is relational. We relate to Him thru prayer. "Claiming" or "receiving" something is not relational. We can absolutely put our trust in HIM that what He put in the Bible is true; but to try to appropriate anything there apart from relating to God personally is to miss it.
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 9:38:00 AM
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maybe instead of one praying, and hoping He answers, Im suppose to say, I receive it Lord...whatever maybe going on in my life, and its put in action. Im no longer hoping, but claiming it. That sounds very close to Word of Faith doctrine, which is dangerous.
"Christianity is a relationship, not a religion." I am sure you have heard that. Well, it is true, if one uses a wrong definition of religion.
Christianity is relational because the God of the Bible is relational. We relate to Him thru prayer. "Claiming" or "receiving" something is not relational. We can absolutely put our trust in HIM that what He put in the Bible is true; but to try to appropriate anything there apart from relating to God personally is to miss it.
I hope I don't sound stupid here, but what is Word of Faith Doctrine?
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 10:18:55 AM
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"If it's in the Bible, It is so. It is not even to be prayed about; it is to be received and acted upon. Increase comes by action, by using what we have and what we know."
I think that is a very good quote, and there is an interesting principal in it that I think we would do good to understand. That principal is that God's blessings are not only dependent upon the heart... but the action. ALL who obey His Word WILL BE BLESSED in some way... even if they don't know they are obeying His Word.
If I told a child, "DON'T TOUCH a hot stove top," for example... that child would benefit from not touching a hot stove. However, even those who never heard me say not to touch a hot stove top would be blessed by not touching a hot stove top. That's because the benefit of my command doesn't only apply to those who obey... but to ALL who do, because my command is good. That's because I gave that command to protect you... and touching a hot stove top is both painful and unnecessary for all intensive purposes. God knows what is painful and unnecessary in our lives, therefore He gives us commands, and is no respecter of persons. Whoever walks in such a way that it is in line with His commands (which are ALL good)... that person will in some way be blessed for doing so--even if they don't KNOW He commanded it. God created EVERYTHING we see. He created pain, the cause of pain, joy, and the cause of joy. We live in a natural world... with cause and effect consequences for everything we do (good or bad). God has told us how to behave for our own protection, and if we obey... we will in some way be blessed because His commands are to PROTECT US, and to KEEP US from unnecessary pain and suffering.
However, we of course know it doesn't end there w/ just the natural blessings... but the Christian has a unique, and special open door to the mercy seat of God, and spiritual blessings through faith. We can go directly to the king, and speak with Him. Though it is true... we will be blessed in this natural world for the actions and choices we make that correspond with God's commands... we will be FULLY blessed (as Jesus came to give us abundant life) through the RELATIONSHIP we have with Him.
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 10:23:06 AM
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Welcome to the forum, Brock! You'll find good fellowship here. 
I'd like to hear more of the context you heard this statement in, as GroupW said. What is in the Bible is true, and even the lies of the devil are faithfully recorded: it's true he said those things, even though they are lies.
The things we know are certain for us are the things God says to His people in Scripture. To say "Don't even pray about it" needs further explanation, as it could mean "you don't have to ask God twice about it" or it could mean "cut off part of your relationship to God." God is whole and infinite, but we are broken and finite and don't always get things right or all at once. So we have to ask and pray and try to understand God and His ways. So I'm leary about cutting off any part of God's relationship with me because He gave it and I'm limited and need all the ways of relating to God I can get.
And I don't know what Word of Faith Doctrine is, either, and am looking forward to finding out.
God bless you, brother!
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 10:27:21 AM
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 10:31:09 AM
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Welcome to the forum, Brock! You'll find good fellowship here.
I'd like to hear more of the context you heard this statement in, as GroupW said. What is in the Bible is true, and even the lies of the devil are faithfully recorded: it's true he said those things, even though they are lies.
The things we know are certain for us are the things God says to His people in Scripture. To say "Don't even pray about it" needs further explanation, as it could mean "you don't have to ask God twice about it" or it could mean "cut off part of your relationship to God." God is whole and infinite, but we are broken and finite and don't always get things right or all at once. So we have to ask and pray and try to understand God and His ways. So I'm leary about cutting off any part of God's relationship with me because He gave it and I'm limited and need all the ways of relating to God I can get.
And I don't know what Word of Faith Doctrine is, either, and am looking forward to finding out.
God bless you, brother!
Amen, and good point. Personally I think the person who made the quote (though I don't know them) meant by "it" was "God's commands." So, if "it" (one of God's command) is in the Bible, it doesn't need prayed over... just obeyed, and their point was not that we shouldn't pray... but that we should just obey the Lord's commands, and come to the ponit where we simply follow without having to think about it first. If we know what He has said... the do it. At least that is how I read it.
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 10:32:24 AM
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 10:47:16 AM
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"If it's in the Bible, It is so. It is not even to be prayed about; it is to be received and acted upon. Increase comes by action, by using what we have and what we know."
I think that is a very good quote, and there is an interesting principal in it that I think we would do good to understand. That principal is that God's blessings are not only dependent upon the heart... but the action. ALL who obey His Word WILL BE BLESSED in some way... even if they don't know they are obeying His Word.
If I told a child, "DON'T TOUCH a hot stove top," for example... that child would benefit from not touching a hot stove. However, even those who never heard me say not to touch a hot stove top would be blessed by not touching a hot stove top. That's because the benefit of my command doesn't only apply to those who obey... but to ALL who do, because my command is good. That's because I gave that command to protect you... and touching a hot stove top is both painful and unnecessary for all intensive purposes. God knows what is painful and unnecessary in our lives, therefore He gives us commands, and is no respecter of persons. Whoever walks in such a way that it is in line with His commands (which are ALL good)... that person will in some way be blessed for doing so--even if they don't KNOW He commanded it. God created EVERYTHING we see. He created pain, the cause of pain, joy, and the cause of joy. We live in a natural world... with cause and effect consequences for everything we do (good or bad). God has told us how to behave for our own protection, and if we obey... we will in some way be blessed because His commands are to PROTECT US, and to KEEP US from unnecessary pain and suffering.
However, we of course know it doesn't end there w/ just the natural blessings... but the Christian has a unique, and special open door to the mercy seat of God, and spiritual blessings through faith. We can go directly to the king, and speak with Him. Though it is true... we will be blessed in this natural world for the actions and choices we make that correspond with God's commands... we will be FULLY blessed (as Jesus came to give us abundant life) through the RELATIONSHIP we have with Him.
I think you said this quiet well. And Im still doing some thinking on this and reading. You have knowledge there, what do you think about a "Lively Hope." This is one that Im really thinking on. Maybe it could mean, Do we pray, and have a hope, that God will answer, maybe a dead hope, or do we have a lively hope, meaning God's Word cannot fail us. One that we act on. I find this very interesting.
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 10:52:05 AM
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... their point was not that we shouldn't pray... but that we should just obey the Lord's commands, and come to the ponit where we simply follow without having to think about it first. If we know what He has said... the do it. At least that is how I read it.
Um. OK.
That brings problems, because God has shown us in the New Testament that some things are a little different than the OT believers thought. The blood of sheep and bulls was a "type" - a fore-picturing of something God wanted us to understand. The OT sacrifices were a fore-shadowing of the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, Jesus. The Sabbath was a fore-shadowing of resting in God because we can't earn our salvation by obeying the Law but Christ won it for us and we receive it as a gift only.
King David understood that the coming Messiah would procure his salvation and he rested in that, not the Law. How he figured it out, I don't know; I guess God just told him.
So there is treasure to be found in the Bible. God used a written account, which assumes education (to read, or someone to read it to us), the mind (to understand what is written), and a born-again spirit (to receive the things of God). I don't see anywhere where God insists on blind faith. Even Jesus was publically crucified (so people would know) and seen by over 500 after the resurrection (ditto). There is evidence and there are wise things to understand. It even says wise men speak in riddles, and riddles are for figuring out.
The other side of this coin might be (for the person who told you this) refusal to have a heart that is quick to obey God or to argue with Him when it's clear what you should do (believe in Him, stop living sinfully, etc.) shows an unregenerate spirit and is a spiritual emergency. Can you ask this person more about what he meant?
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 11:02:37 AM
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Welcome to the forum, Brock! You'll find good fellowship here.
I'd like to hear more of the context you heard this statement in, as GroupW said. What is in the Bible is true, and even the lies of the devil are faithfully recorded: it's true he said those things, even though they are lies.
The things we know are certain for us are the things God says to His people in Scripture. To say "Don't even pray about it" needs further explanation, as it could mean "you don't have to ask God twice about it" or it could mean "cut off part of your relationship to God." God is whole and infinite, but we are broken and finite and don't always get things right or all at once. So we have to ask and pray and try to understand God and His ways. So I'm leary about cutting off any part of God's relationship with me because He gave it and I'm limited and need all the ways of relating to God I can get.
And I don't know what Word of Faith Doctrine is, either, and am looking forward to finding out.
God bless you, brother!
Hi Deermousie and thank you.
The statement made, "Don't even pray about it" doesn't mean we aren't to have a relationship with God. We should pray and talk to Him and daily, and I do. Its more along the lines of, if it's in the Bible, its a promise, and we should act on it.
That's why I have brought this to the forum, this is one Im trying to work out for myself, and get others views and Scripture on this.
Thanks
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 11:12:57 AM
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1 Peter 1
3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade—kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God's power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
10Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 12It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.
This passage of scripture is telling us that our hope in Jesus Christ is a living hope not a dead wish. Peter is telling us that because of Jesus's resurrection we can be assured of our salvation. We don't have to wonder about our salvation. We can be assured that we will receive the goal of our faith...the salvation of our souls.
This is not a promise that whatever we pray for we will get if we can somehow find it in the bible. It is a guarantee (a living hope) based on Christ rising from the dead that we will be saved and that we will receive the inheritance of salvation which is eternal life.
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 11:18:30 AM
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I guess I havent visited this thread.
Put on the full armor of God before entering. &:)
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 11:28:29 AM
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... their point was not that we shouldn't pray... but that we should just obey the Lord's commands, and come to the ponit where we simply follow without having to think about it first. If we know what He has said... the do it. At least that is how I read it.
Um. OK.
That brings problems, because God has shown us in the New Testament that some things are a little different than the OT believers thought. The blood of sheep and bulls was a "type" - a fore-picturing of something God wanted us to understand. The OT sacrifices were a fore-shadowing of the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, Jesus. The Sabbath was a fore-shadowing of resting in God because we can't earn our salvation by obeying the Law but Christ won it for us and we receive it as a gift only.
King David understood that the coming Messiah would procure his salvation and he rested in that, not the Law. How he figured it out, I don't know; I guess God just told him.
So there is treasure to be found in the Bible. God used a written account, which assumes education (to read, or someone to read it to us), the mind (to understand what is written), and a born-again spirit (to receive the things of God). I don't see anywhere where God insists on blind faith. Even Jesus was publically crucified (so people would know) and seen by over 500 after the resurrection (ditto). There is evidence and there are wise things to understand. It even says wise men speak in riddles, and riddles are for figuring out.
The other side of this coin might be (for the person who told you this) refusal to have a heart that is quick to obey God or to argue with Him when it's clear what you should do (believe in Him, stop living sinfully, etc.) shows an unregenerate spirit and is a spiritual emergency. Can you ask this person more about what he meant?
Wasn't trying to argue with you. I know what you are saying, and I agree. I will say that if the NT changed something from the OT so that what was a command in the OT is no longer a command in the NT... then it isn't a command of God and that shouldn't be obeyed as such, since it is not a command of God.
Blessings.
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 11:41:04 AM
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1 Peter 1
3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade—kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God's power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
10Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 12It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.
This passage of scripture is telling us that our hope in Jesus Christ is a living hope not a dead wish. Peter is telling us that because of Jesus's resurrection we can be assured of our salvation. We don't have to wonder about our salvation. We can be assured that we will receive the goal of our faith...the salvation of our souls.
This is not a promise that whatever we pray for we will get if we can somehow find it in the bible. It is a guarantee (a living hope) based on Christ rising from the dead that we will be saved and that we will receive the inheritance of salvation which is eternal life.
I thin you may have touched on something here. Faith. A lively hope produces an active faith. What does everyone else think?
Im going to read more. I need Scripture.
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 11:44:36 AM
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I heard someone say today, "If it's in the Bible, It is so. It is not even to be prayed about; it is to be received and acted upon. Increase comes by action, by using what we have and what we know."
Maybe I'm reading this statement wrong, but I would disagree with it. To say that "if it's in the Bible, it is so," I'm in agreement with, but I disagree that it shouldn't be prayed about. All things should be prayed about if we have questions on them. God has all the answers; let Him answer them. It can only benefit us for Him to do so, as His repsonces might give us better insight as to why something was included in the Bible, its historical accuracy, if there's something special we should be gleening from what we're reading that God wants us to know, etc.
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 11:50:10 AM
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I think you said this quiet well. And Im still doing some thinking on this and reading. You have knowledge there, what do you think about a "Lively Hope." This is one that Im really thinking on. Maybe it could mean, Do we pray, and have a hope, that God will answer, maybe a dead hope, or do we have a lively hope, meaning God's Word cannot fail us. One that we act on. I find this very interesting.
Well, I certainly believe that God's Word cannot fail us. However, *our beliefs* and *our assumptions* about His Word can certianly fail, right? :)
I believe that we can act on God's Word, and if we obey, we will *ultimately* be better off for it than had we disobeyed. So, the best option for us is to know God's Word, and keep it. :)
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RE: If it's in the Bible, "What should we do?" - 11/14/2008 11:53:29 AM
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1 Peter 1
3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade—kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God's power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
10Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 12It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.
This passage of scripture is telling us that our hope in Jesus Christ is a living hope not a dead wish. Peter is telling us that because of Jesus's resurrection we can be assured of our salvation. We don't have to wonder about our salvation. We can be assured that we will receive the goal of our faith...the salvation of our souls.
This is not a promise that whatever we pray for we will get if we can somehow find it in the bible. It is a guarantee (a living hope) based on Christ rising from the dead that we will be saved and that we will receive the inheritance of salvation which is eternal life.
I thin you may have touched on something here. Faith. A lively hope produces an active faith. What does everyone else think?
Im going to read more. I need Scripture.
The question is: What is the goal of faith? According to this scripture (1 Peter 1) the goal is the salvation of our souls. According to whomever you heard the goal is answered prayer or rather receiving something--receiving what?
And, what is the difference between "faith" and "active faith"? James 2 tells us that faith is proven by deeds. Would that be "active faith"?
James 2:14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds."
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
And what are those deeds? Answered prayer? Receiving something? Or are deeds serving others as James indicates?
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