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The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/13/2008 8:50:01 PM
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lescrivens
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The problem is that I have to disagree with Olbermann special comment for the first time. I have spread Olbermann's all of special comment likes crazy but this I have to disagree. The Bible states the truth and I had voted "Yes". It has a hard vote for me but I cannot true to my value system
God sets rules and not Keith Olbermann. We cannto change the rule. And Olbermann makes a great case but he is wrong. God declare the rules; not Keith Olbermann. Sorry Oblermann, I agree with you 98% of the time but not on this issue.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#27652443
And this is the only place where I can really express my real views on this issue.
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/13/2008 9:49:46 PM
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lightshineon
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Why was it hard for you?
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/13/2008 11:10:16 PM
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Don't know why you disagree with Olbermann.
His comments are true and accurate and entirely in line with Scripture.
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/14/2008 3:34:07 AM
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Olberman is a very deeply concerned, articulate and convincing perverter of all that is good and right.
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/14/2008 7:45:48 AM
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It would shock me to agree with one thing Oberman says.
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/14/2008 9:46:52 AM
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jbow
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It would shock me to agree with one thing Oberman says.
Agree...
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/14/2008 10:00:58 AM
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Keeping with the season;
Keith Olbermann is as full of it as a Thanksgiving turkey.
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/14/2008 10:57:29 AM
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No offense lescrivens, but you really need to check your posts before you execute the OK button. O' and I truly hope you're joking about Olbermann, he's a very distutbed man on the wrong side of the spiritual conflict we see in America.
Rick
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/14/2008 11:08:27 AM
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Rick4Him
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I watched the attached video and his last statement is very sad. He quoted Clarence Darrow (sp) and said, "he would rather have his name stricken out of the book above, and written in the book of love" or something to that accord. WOW, I believe God just may give Keith his wish.
Rick
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/14/2008 2:30:17 PM
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jbow
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Les...
I am glad that you see Olberman is wrong on this issue, I wish you could see that he is wrong on most issues. Maybe you should reconsider, seeing how wrong he is on this one...
I wonder how many people have thought about why we, as Christains, oppose homosexual marriage.
People like Olberman are asking an honest question I think. They, not being Christian, do not know why we would oppose gay marriage. They ask, how does it affect you? Why do you care? and I think they really don't know... perhaps they could understand if we told them, but probably not.
My reason is this. Marriage is an institute that was set up by God, not man. It is the holy union, performed by God, of a man and a woman. He make's them into one flesh by a mystery... we don't know how He does it but we know that He does. He also say's that it is a type, or picture, of the relationship between Christ and the Church. Marriage is not something that government does, not something that government created, it is something that government gives it's approval to but the institute of marriage is an institute of God and that being the case... homosexual marriage is an insult to a holy God, our God. It is blaspheny, IMO.
I have no problem with state sanctioned civil unions. These people should be treated equally and fairly by the state in civil matters but not in holy matrimony. If one chooses to live at odds with the gospel and as an enemy of God then this world and this life is all they have... I say let them live, be kind to them, allow a civil union... that, IMO, hurts no one and is only right. I totally oppose gay marriage though, it is an attempt to make a mockery of God and of religion in general.
Homosexuals are lawless and they want to impose their lawlessness on us all. They refuse to submit to God and they are offended if we do. They want to make us accept them as righteous... something that we can never do.
I saw a few minutes of an interview with Dr. Myles Monroe on TV last night. He was explaining the role of an ambassador. It is illegal for an ambassador to state an opinion. An ambassador is the government of his country, where ever he is stationed... he is his country's government, he cannot represent him self or his personal views.
We are ambassadors of Christ and in dealing with the homosexual community and issues, we would do well to behave as ambassadors and state that we do not have an opinion on the matter but the Bible tell's us that homosexuality is an abomination. That is the position of our Master and our God. If they have an issue with it they need to take it up with Him.
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/14/2008 2:50:25 PM
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Liked him better on ESPN Sportscenter.
Refuse to watch him on MSNBC, but then again, I hardly watch any national media news at all for that matter.
The couple of times I saw him troubled me, so I haven't watched him any after that.
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/14/2008 8:52:50 PM
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SonInMe1
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jbow, your post seems to suggest we take a passive stance against homosexual marriage...do you mean politically we should be silent on this issue?
Thanks
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/15/2008 1:38:22 PM
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I really like Keith Olbermann, he is for the most part very witty and entertaining.
Twice since I watched him in the past few months, he changed from his usual sarcastic entertainment, and put out a serious plea -
one was for mccain and obama to speak to their own supporters/workers and tell them to say something about people making comments that were over the top that could lead to violence.
this is the 2nd one about prop 8 that he made an impassioned plea.
For those of you who are getting incensed over this - remember that he is NOT speaking from God's point of view, the Bible, of course he is going to speak from his own humanistic heart.
so you all should not be wondering why he would say such a thing.
He also sees two gay people as wanting to marry such a benign thing and why would we want to keep two people from seeking happiness and wanting to mind thier own business.
This is when we have to put the Word of God in such mattters to see why such a thing could be sinful in the eyes of God, as we have to serve God rather than man, no matter how sincere a man's ideas might be.
I suppose Keith and others who think like him has just given us the opportunity to speak out and answer his question. He wants to know - so lets tell him. Lets turn lemons into lemonade and use situations like this to say the truth.
It also lets us know that God is still in control... that a law of sin was stopped, and the sinners are left confounded.. God LOVES TO USE His things to confound the wise! God stopped this law from happening. its kinda funny/ironic to see all the people gnashing thier teeth - especially at that old lady with the styrofoam cross at a rally. Its seeing the Bible in real life when we see such a thing.
God just lets us know WHO is on the throne! and who is running the show.
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/15/2008 2:18:30 PM
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galadriel2
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I was able to get to a different computer that was able to download the 'special comment' by Keith. His comments make the appeal to equal rights and the ackowledgement of gay marriage as speaking up for 'love'....Where is our Greek when we need it? The 'love' that Keith speaks of between homosexuals is comprised of two loves: phileo, which is the love of friendship - that two people have similar goals and ideas that they share and want to pursue together, and then there is eros, which is a sexual and erotic love. People are perfectly able to experience these without having a court define as what they are experiencing as marriage. So if it is totally possible to experience these things without the ruling of court, why seek it?
The comparison that Keith makes between blacks and whites being able to get married and blacks and blacks being able to get married, for that matter, is ludicrous. Homosexuality has to do with a chosen lifestyle, not the color of one's skin, which is out of the control of a person. Redefining marriage so that blacks can marry as they choose is moving the definition of marriage towards the Biblical definition, not away from it.
Keith also leaves out the best kind of love, which homosexuality is not an expression of - agape love. Agape love, the kind that Christ demonstrates, is a love of choice, of the will. It is choosing to do what is best for the person, whether they want you to or not. Homosexual love doesn't do this as it keeps a person under the wrath of God. Keith also argues that we shouldn't be so cruel as to deprive people of the great feelings of sexual and phileo love (I'm paraphrasing). It is the ultimate cruelty to give to someone something that is fleeting and transitory in place of the eternal and abiding. It is the ultimate cruelty to lure a person into a sleepy sinfulness, so to speak, by granting them the great feelings of phileo and eros only to find themselves in an eternal hell the split second that they die. To include homosexuality in the definition of marriage is to do just that to these people. It also teaches non-homosexuals that this is ok to do to people.
Ultimately, for Christians, not non-Christians, it comes down to that we want to honor God in what we do. We can't expect unbelievers to act like believers or try to make them do so, because the Bible doesn't, but that doesn't mean that we should despise homosexuals by not acting in agape love towards them and others. Agape love would not sit back and let people be deceived by temporary blessings to give up eternal ones. Love isn't without faith, in other words....or genuine hope for that matter.
God bless,
Galadriel
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/15/2008 2:32:20 PM
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Status: offline Don't know why you disagree with Olbermann.
His comments are true and accurate and entirely in line with Scripture.
"Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator --- who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with woman and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." Romans 1:22-27
Exactly how do you conclude that Olbermann's comments are inline with this passage from Scripture?
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/15/2008 8:33:21 PM
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It would shock me to agree with one thing Oberman says.
Same here. He is wrong on nearly every issue and his "feigned" anger is a joke that even SNL touched upon.
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/16/2008 4:42:58 PM
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jbow
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jbow, your post seems to suggest we take a passive stance against homosexual marriage...do you mean politically we should be silent on this issue?
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No. I am not saying that. I'm not sure why you thought that. I was saying that we should tell them that God say's it is an abomination. That it is not our opinion but it is what the word of God says. That defuses the "us against them" problem and makes it a "God against their actions" problem, like it should be. God condemns their sin but offers grace so that they will not be condemned along with their sin... As with all unrepentant sinners, they refuse to see their sin as sin. They call evil good, they are deceived and will only be saved if God calls them. From what I read in the Bible, He will not call many for they are said to be "given over to their lusts". They will not take it well when we take a stand, but take a stand we must. Otherwise, the salt loses it's saltiness.
Marriage is an institution of the Church and it should be defended. It will be hard because in a time when people are defined by the group they belong to... they take it personal when the group is condemned...
I was just saying that we to stand for the word of God, and not for our opinion. The church needs to be very careful to preach grace along with the law. Homosexuality can in no way be condoned by the Church. The Church must not be changed by society.
J
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/16/2008 6:42:30 PM
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Liked him better on ESPN Sportscenter.
I can say the same thing about him on NBC's Football Night in America. I can tolerate him there (somewhat), but MSNBC...not touching that with a "39 1/2 foot pole" to quote a song from the Grinch.
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/17/2008 10:15:29 PM
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Keith olbermann is tonight's worst person in the wooooorld!
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/20/2008 12:02:16 PM
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Thank you, lightshineon, Jhud, SonInMe1, jbow, rcjames, Rick4Him, benelchi, NiceGuy, earthless, and HisFish.
Until now, I merely suspected that KO spoke the truth. Now I know that he does.
Thanks again . . .
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/20/2008 2:35:56 PM
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Jhud
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Until now, I merely suspected that KO spoke the truth. Now I know that he does.
But is he a mere prophet, or worthy of worship like Obama?
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/20/2008 8:01:02 PM
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SonInMe1
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Until now, I merely suspected that KO spoke the truth. Now I know that he does
So now we can elevate Oberman to Rush levels of political indoctrination? I thought only dumb redneck conservatives got fooled by smooth talking heads.....
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RE: The one time I have to disagree with Keith Olbermann - 11/21/2008 9:33:46 AM
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But is he a mere prophet, or worthy of worship like Obama?
I might kiss Olbermann's ring.
I might even rub Obama's head for luck. Sorry- that was crass.
Basically I am an iconoclast at heart.
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So now we can elevate Oberman to Rush levels of political indoctrination?
Heavens, no! Don't even mention Rush Limboxycontin in the same breath as Keith Olbermann.
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I thought only dumb redneck conservatives got fooled by smooth talking heads.....
You think that Olbermann is a smooth talker? Wow- gotta disagree with ya there, Son.
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