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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 2:12:59 PM
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zamdad
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There's a fine line between success and greed. We've been on the greed side for far too long. That's what needs to be punished to balance things out again.
Where is that fine line? Who determines that fine line?
We're all capable of greed. Too much is never enough. How come none of us consider ourselves greedy but always look to the other guy as greedy? Does this punishment of those who are greedy mean that we spread their wealth to others?
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 2:17:44 PM
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There's a fine line between success and greed. We've been on the greed side for far too long. That's what needs to be punished to balance things out again.
Where is that fine line? Who determines that fine line?
We're all capable of greed. Too much is never enough. How come none of us consider ourselves greedy but always look to the other guy as greedy? Does this punishment of those who are greedy mean that we spread their wealth to others?
The line is when their greed negatively impacts millions of people. And yes, the punishment does mean that we spread their ill gotten wealth to others.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 2:18:53 PM
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Just an added note. Three of the top 10 Forbes wealthiest people are Sam Walton's children.
I read Sam Walton's autobiography a number of years ago and he lamented how he worked too much at the expense of his family. I remember thinking how foolish some people are, they kill themselves making money that they or their families will never spend. This is where the church I think is crucially important. The church needs to bring home the message that if you neglect your family to make money that you will never spend, then you are a fool.
Now, I don't have much comment about Walmart. I don't think they always have the best prices, but sometimes they do. When they do, I shop there, when they don't, I don't.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 2:25:44 PM
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The line is when their greed negatively impacts millions of people
Is it "their greed" or the greed of their customers that you believe should be punished?
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And yes, the punishment does mean that we spread their ill gotten wealth to others.
You do realize that many people own their stock. That is how the wealth is spread around.
Now you are free to purchase some stock if you so desire. Or do you believe those stockholders are also evil and greedy?
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we spread their ill gotten wealth to others
I notice you used the term "we". Very interesting. Tells us more about your view of yourself than you might realize.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 2:25:52 PM
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There's a fine line between success and greed. We've been on the greed side for far too long. That's what needs to be punished to balance things out again.
Where is that fine line? Who determines that fine line?
We're all capable of greed. Too much is never enough. How come none of us consider ourselves greedy but always look to the other guy as greedy? Does this punishment of those who are greedy mean that we spread their wealth to others?
The line is when their greed negatively impacts millions of people. And yes, the punishment does mean that we spread their ill gotten wealth to others.
look carefully enough....and EVERY business can somehow be found to "negatively impact" people.....
but, because it's Wal-mart....they are the ones who are singled out....(for doing what every "big box" chain/discount store has been doing ever since SS Kresge started the "discount store" genre in the early 1900s).....
what is GREED, really? When another company is more successful than yours....or, someone has more than you.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 2:29:26 PM
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what is GREED, really? When another company is more successful than yours....or, someone has more than you. Well, greed is, uhm... why its when... ahh... y'know... see... it's when the Walton kids have all that money!
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 2:32:58 PM
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the punishment does mean that we spread their ill gotten wealth to others.
So, who defines "ill-gotten"? What about a single welfare mother who continues get pregant out of wedlock w/o going to the clinic where free contraceptives is available? To me, this is ill-gotten wealth,
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 2:34:13 PM
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The line is when their greed negatively impacts millions of people. And yes, the punishment does mean that we spread their ill gotten wealth to others.
Writerchick. If you were to build up a business that allowed you to make millions of dollars, would your greed be true greed or greed as percieved by others?
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 2:35:18 PM
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What is funny to me is that the reason I stopped shopping walmart had nothing to do with the reasons others on here did. For me it was their involvement in the homosexual movement. But reading these post I realize those who tend to hate walmart voted for a pro-homosexual agenda president who believe that man is going to "give them money". ROFL THey REALLY believe Obama is telling "them" the truth. LOL
Boy how "greedy" can you be. To covet what another has.
God told you that if you try to dig a hole for anther it's "you" who will fall into it.
My prediction The Middle Class with have their taxes raised higher in the next 4 years than they evey have. The Bush tax cuts will go away and Obama will do "nothing" to help the middle class because he is too busy trying to grow a government not an economy.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 2:39:30 PM
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the punishment does mean that we spread their ill gotten wealth to others.
Somebody fell or Obama's lies. That he was going to take from the rich and give to the poor and middle class. ROFL
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 2:39:58 PM
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What is funny to me is that the reason I stopped shopping walmart had nothing to do with the reasons others on here did. For me it was their involvement in the homosexual movement. But reading these post I realize those who tend to hate walmart voted for a pro-homosexual agenda president who believe that man is going to "give them money". ROFL
Boy how "greedy" can you be. To covet what another has.
Involvement in the "homosexual movement"? (whatever that is).....
What exactly does that mean? Acknowledging their existence? Advertising directly to that fairly affluent demographic?
Look at most major companies out there....they all have SOME "involvement" in the "homosexual movement". (of course, it all depends on what one defines as "involvement")
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 3:02:58 PM
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It's a pretty big fallacy to assume everyone is working in the place they are solely because they choose to.
Are we NOT in America anymore? Where people can freely WORK where they CHOOSE? I worked at Kmart in Detroit...for about 2 weeks...then, due to "poor working conditions" and the rest, I CHOSE to work elsewhere. If others stayed and worked, that was THEIR CHOICE.
Or, can some people just not face the facts that SOME PEOPLE happily choose to work in a place.....regardless of that business' reputation....which is the result of the relentless negativity campaign funded by labor unions.
According to your logic, I could simply "choose" to work on Pushing Daisies instead of going through the route of writing a spec script, getting an agent, and convincing the producers I'm good in the room.
America or not, life is not that simple. My landlord still wants his $1413 a month for the one bedroom I live in. I still have to put gas in my car. I still have other bills to pay. I don't have the luxury of "choosing" to wait until Mr. Fuller calls. If that's true for me, then logically these kinds of factors drive other people's decisions on their choice of employment as well.
The way our system is set up, it is embarrassingly easy to get stuck in a job that at least allows you to survive. When in survival mode it's twice as difficult to make any kind of change for the better because you're caught in such a balancing act in which the slightest misstep could have dire consequences.
You must live in California...
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 3:11:07 PM
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Yah, they also have way more labor oriented lawsuits, that they are losing. I wonder why? Do you think it just might be because they are breaking laws that the other retailers don't break as often?
More like deep pockets and the idea that big companies are evil...
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 3:11:54 PM
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There's a fine line between success and greed. We've been on the greed side for far too long. That's what needs to be punished to balance things out again.
Exactly who gets to determine who is greedy and who is successful? Is there a table somewhere that says if you make $XX.XX you're greedy by definition? Or maybe it says if your Gross Profit Margin is X% then you're greedy? Or maybe if your Net Profit Margin is greater than X%?
Where can I get this information? I need to know so that I can keep my numbers below that because I sure don't want some greedy Socialist to come along and steal my hard earned money!!
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 3:12:16 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Another thing that makes me so angry about this corporation is that they are so big they think they can just trample over anyone the feel like trampling. A couple years ago, they tried to build a Super Center in Inglewood, CA. The residents voted them down leading to other cities around Los Angeles County to do the same. Their reaction? "Well, we'll just build Super Centers all around the border of L.A. County so we still get the customers, but you don't get any of the taxes." I really don't react well to threats.
Too funny...
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 3:22:10 PM
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There's a fine line between success and greed. We've been on the greed side for far too long. That's what needs to be punished to balance things out again.
Exactly who gets to determine who is greedy and who is successful? Is there a table somewhere that says if you make $XX.XX you're greedy by definition? Or maybe it says if your Gross Profit Margin is X% then you're greedy? Or maybe if your Net Profit Margin is greater than X%?
If it's net profit margins.....then neither wal-mart OR Exxon-Mobil are greedy (which, they really aren't)....
One would have to declare Texas Instruments (18% margin), ebay (22% margin), or MY company (25%+ margins)....as "greedy"....and leave those who earn "only" 10% margin (Exxon) and 3.38% (Wal-Mart) alone.....
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 3:38:42 PM
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What is funny to me is that the reason I stopped shopping walmart had nothing to do with the reasons others on here did. For me it was their involvement in the homosexual movement. But reading these post I realize those who tend to hate walmart voted for a pro-homosexual agenda president who believe that man is going to "give them money". ROFL THey REALLY believe Obama is telling "them" the truth. LOL
The two have very little to do with each other. Just ask the surprised mobs of people who were upset that the same people who voted for Obama also voted for Prop 8 in California.
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Boy how "greedy" can you be. To covet what another has.
Just because you can see that corporation has a really bad influence on the community around it doesn't mean you're coveting what they have. Nice try, though.
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God told you that if you try to dig a hole for anther it's "you" who will fall into it.
Regulating a company that's out of control is not digging a hole. But while we're on the subject, what about the holes Wal-Mart has dug by bankrupting small communities all across the country. And last I checked, they were starting in on England.
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My prediction The Middle Class with have their taxes raised higher in the next 4 years than they evey have. The Bush tax cuts will go away and Obama will do "nothing" to help the middle class because he is too busy trying to grow a government not an economy.
Believe whatever you want. The Bush tax cuts sound lovely in a sound bite, but in reality they weren't for you.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 4:02:35 PM
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Believe whatever you want. The Bush tax cuts sound lovely in a sound bite, but in reality they weren't for you.
and, how is that? If you paid taxes...you were "targeted" for a a tax cut. Simple as that. I know I got mine. My tax returns show it. And, still do....(at least for now...check back with me in a year or two)
Of course, which ruffles feathers with the democrats, because a small percentage of people, who pay more than HALF of all taxes, aren't supposed to get any kind of a "break"....and, the republicans refuse to play "class warfare" politics.
Or, do you believe the liberal lie that ALL of the tax cuts went to the "wealthy"?
Their big complaint is that those who DO NOT pay taxes, did NOT "benefit" from the tax cut. But, how could they?
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 4:13:25 PM
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Their big complaint is that those who DO NOT pay taxes, did NOT "benefit" from the tax cut. But, how could they? They got tax "credits" and even though they owed no income taxes they still got a return.
Go figure. Must be the American way. 
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 5:08:33 PM
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Just because you can see that corporation has a really bad influence on the community around it doesn't mean you're coveting what they have. Nice try, though.
Writerchick,
You seem to be dodging some good questions that have been asked of you. You have some strong opinions on the issue. But, what are those opinions based on? Are they based on something you heard in the media? Or from the union steward? Or from some other source?
I asked earlier what would happen if you found yourself in a position where you were making millions of dollars. would that make you greedy? Or, would the perceptions of others color you as greedy?
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 5:13:41 PM
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Exactly who gets to determine who is greedy and who is successful?
You raise a good question, and I certainly don't know how we would set up a criteria to determine who is greedy, but I don't think we should throw our hands up in the air and not even wrestle with the question either.
For example, if Sam Walton was a church goer (I don't know if he was), someone he trusted should have probably counseled him not to spend so much time on work at the expense of his family. He probably would have had fewer regrets if someone gave him that warning and he heeded it.
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Is there a table somewhere that says if you make $XX.XX you're greedy by definition? Or maybe it says if your Gross Profit Margin is X% then you're greedy? Or maybe if your Net Profit Margin is greater than X%?
What I think is sad, is that modern Christians have ignored the problem of greed. It is certainly not an easy question, but what is worth doing is worth doing poorly. We could really benefit as a church if we had a better understanding of greed.
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Where can I get this information? I need to know so that I can keep my numbers below that because I sure don't want some greedy Socialist to come along and steal my hard earned money!!
Honestly, if some greedy socialist steals my money, it won't be the end of the world. Much of what I have I don't need anyway. I do think others will be harmed worse from socialism, mostly the working class. If someone steals my money, I just need to remember that it was never mine in the first place.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 5:17:45 PM
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People who don't have millions can call anyone with millions greedy... Much the way fat people can always make fun of skinny people, but it's wrong for skinny folks to give it back...
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 5:27:28 PM
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People who don't have millions can call anyone with millions greedy... Much the way fat people can always make fun of skinny people, but it's wrong for skinny folks to give it back...
Of course, the problem is, on a board like this, you never know who has millions, and who doesn't.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 7:38:29 PM
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I think Wal-Mart is getting an unfair treatment by these Union Supporters. Walmart is doing well and will continue to dominate the retail industry for decades to come because they are extremely good at what they do. They sell their products at low prices which benefits the American People. The fact that all the Sam Walton family members are on the Forbes Millionare Club is totally irrelevant. They all earned their money and that is the bottom line. There is nothing wrong with being rich, if you've rightfully earned it, than kudos goes to you.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 7:54:46 PM
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writerchick
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Just because you can see that corporation has a really bad influence on the community around it doesn't mean you're coveting what they have. Nice try, though.
Writerchick,
You seem to be dodging some good questions that have been asked of you. You have some strong opinions on the issue. But, what are those opinions based on? Are they based on something you heard in the media? Or from the union steward? Or from some other source?
I asked earlier what would happen if you found yourself in a position where you were making millions of dollars. would that make you greedy? Or, would the perceptions of others color you as greedy?
I'm not dodging anything. I just have other things to do today on my way to making millions of dollars. But since you asked again...my opinions are based on what I've seen and investigative reports that have come to light regarding the corporation. Still, that's all it is. An opinion. Feel free to agree or disagree. It will have no effect on me either way.
To answer your other question...when God does bless me to start raking in the millions it will be with the understanding that He has blessed me to be a blessing. He's put some things in my heart that I'm not going to go into here, other than to say that the millions won't be staying with me only. And that's why it would not make me greedy. As our Bishop always says, we're supposed to be channels of blessings and that's what I intend to be.
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