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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/12/2008 8:53:03 PM
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Probably because their strategy is to eliminate ANY competition so that there's no other place to work?
As mentioned in a previous, and, likely ignored, post, I live in the Dallas area. We are surrounded by THOUSANDS of retailers. You name it, we have it.
You're in a large, economically-stable metropolitan area; there are plenty of people and money to go around. Things are a bit different in a lot of smaller towns. Large-scale tax breaks and economy of scale work to put many smaller retailers at a competitive disadvantage.
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If Wal-Mart is SO BAD..and so horrible...then why do people CHOOSE to work there? when most every store is ALWAYS hiring?
Mr. George, our greeter has 20+ years at Wal-Mart.....Ms. Lenore, our cashier, has well over 10 years there....many, many others have been there for a long time.
Look around most ANY wal-mart...and you'll find a sea of other thriving stores....all benefiting from the traffic generated by that Wal-Mart.
All Wal-Mart stores are not created equal, or rather - they may be created equal, but may not progress equally. I don't believe that the stories we hear about happen at each and every store. I worked at one during college and I don't have any complaints, but then - I was only part-time, was single w/o kids, living at home, covered under my parents' insurance, and had no intention of making a career of bagging groceries.
I could tell that there were pressures from corporate to minimize costs wherever possible - we rarely had paper towels at our registers to clean up messes (which were frequent) and that pink wax used on your fingers to help you separate new dollar bills was so rare it was cherished by anyone who managed to find one. There were never enough floor-level "CSM" managers to handle the amount of work.
The scheduling is also troubling and difficult to work around. Except for a handful of employees, you don't have a set shift - you get a schedule 3 weeks ahead of time, which may have you working any and all hours of the day. (which makes it very difficult to supplement your income with a 2nd job) From what I've read, they've since "enhanced" their scheduling algorithm to incorporate more intelligent traffic forecasting, so they can further cut back on staffing levels. For the company, this may mean greater profit, but for the employees, this means even more erratic scheduling (and even greater availability required to get hired in the first place). For the customers, this means longer lines and more mess with even fewer people staffing the store.
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A few years ago 80% of Wal-mart's products were imported from China, but I don't know what the percentage is today.
Please provide factual evidence of this.
I will show you MY evidence that this is NOT true.
Annual U.S. Sales at Wal-Mart: Roughly $260 Billion
Value of goods imported from China by Wal-Mart: Around $18 Billion or so...(give or take a billion)
Profit Margin: 3.5% or there abouts....
Do the math.
That doesn't mean that the 80% figure is wrong. Profit margin is figured on top of all expenses, not just supply costs. This site, while obviously biased, does list sources for that figure.
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If all those people were so "abused" and "mis treated".....these stores would close up due to the lack of ability to find enough people to work in the stores.....(meanwhile, thousands of other retailers are also hiring, as well....in "competition" with Wal-Mart for employees)
If that were true, sweatshops wouldn't exist anywhere.
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Wal-Mart's long-standing "negative image", with regards to it's "downscale" image doesn't help the company (People will shop at Target, and pay more for EXACTLY the same item, but won't be "caught dead" at Wal-Mart...even though they are nearly identical)....but, it's certainly been trying to work on that.
They're going to have to try a lot harder. I don't see how they can expect to break into the upscale market with overcrowded, understaffed, and perpetually disheveled stores. Everything about their business model is at odds with how upscale stores operate (except maybe the return policy).
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/12/2008 9:04:59 PM
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A few years ago 80% of Wal-mart's products were imported from China, but I don't know what the percentage is today.
Please provide factual evidence of this.
I will show you MY evidence that this is NOT true.
Annual U.S. Sales at Wal-Mart: Roughly $260 Billion
Value of goods imported from China by Wal-Mart: Around $18 Billion or so...(give or take a billion)
Profit Margin: 3.5% or there abouts....
Do the math.
Not sure what is worse, me not finding proof or your math 
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More than 80 percent of the 6,000 factories in Wal-Mart's worldwide database of suppliers are in China. Wal-Mart estimates it spent $15 billion on Chinese-made products last year, accounting for nearly one-eighth of all Chinese exports to the United States. Washington Post LINK
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About 70% of the company's goods are made in China. By CEO Lee Scott's own admission a couple of months ago at the company's annual meeting, "Last year it was estimated we imported about $18 billion worth of goods from China." Businessweek LINK
Since those numbers are a few years old, I would be interested in knowing today's numbers and whether China imports to Wally World exceed 80%.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/12/2008 9:54:34 PM
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Just an added note. Three of the top 10 Forbes wealthiest people are Sam Walton's children.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/12/2008 10:16:58 PM
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They are typically singled out...and criticized for doing what every other "big box" retail chain store does (relatively low wages, not the greatest working conditions, etc..etc...), but, since they are "the biggest", they get alot of the "spotlight" on them Yah, they also have way more labor oriented lawsuits, that they are losing. I wonder why? Do you think it just might be because they are breaking laws that the other retailers don't break as often? This recession has his me hard - very hard - but WalMart doesn't need my money yet. I'll do with less and shop at Target.
When Wal Mart has run everyone else out of business and they are the only game in town and there is no more competition will you capitalists still be singing the praises of competitive capitalism? I doubt it. You can't continue to have a capitalist economic system if you allow the predator companies to eat all the competition.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/12/2008 10:21:52 PM
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America or not, life is not that simple. My landlord still wants his $1413 a month for the one bedroom I live in.
And you couldn't find a roomie(s) to rent another larger apartment?
Sam's Club has specials hours for the small business that purchase the products they need. Customers make their purchasing decisions on factors than price: selection, service, etc.
Face it the big thing libs don't like about Wal-mart: no union. And look what the UAW has done to the Big Three auto makers. (RIP)
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/12/2008 10:26:36 PM
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When Wal Mart has run everyone else out of business and they are the only game in town
So, why hasn't Wal-mart run Target, Costco, and BJs out of business? There are one of each of these stores within a five mile drive of my hoiuse! I guess you want your beloved Obama to have the government own everything! Yep, this worked really well in the Soviet Union.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/12/2008 10:29:31 PM
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They are typically singled out...and criticized for doing what every other "big box" retail chain store does (relatively low wages, not the greatest working conditions, etc..etc...), but, since they are "the biggest", they get alot of the "spotlight" on them Yah, they also have way more labor oriented lawsuits, that they are losing. I wonder why? Do you think it just might be because they are breaking laws that the other retailers don't break as often? This recession has his me hard - very hard - but WalMart doesn't need my money yet. I'll do with less and shop at Target.
When Wal Mart has run everyone else out of business and they are the only game in town and there is no more competition will you capitalists still be singing the praises of competitive capitalism? I doubt it. You can't continue to have a capitalist economic system if you allow the predator companies to eat all the competition.
I'm totally with you on this one. I've been boycotting them for years. Ever since I first heard about the Wal-Mart Ghost Towns.
Another thing that makes me so angry about this corporation is that they are so big they think they can just trample over anyone the feel like trampling. A couple years ago, they tried to build a Super Center in Inglewood, CA. The residents voted them down leading to other cities around Los Angeles County to do the same. Their reaction? "Well, we'll just build Super Centers all around the border of L.A. County so we still get the customers, but you don't get any of the taxes." I really don't react well to threats.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/12/2008 10:31:11 PM
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Face it the big thing libs don't like about Wal-mart: no union. And look what the UAW has done to the Big Three auto makers. (RIP)
Those are two pretty interesting examples - both of what happens when things go too far in one direction.
As to why so many people want to work there - it's odd. There exists this sort of weird cultish affinity for WM that I don't really understand. It's not because it's wonderful place to work, it's because people have a strong brand loyalty.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 9:57:17 AM
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On Walmart being upscale or not, here is what a friend of mine was quoted in a paper saying....
Debra Jackson said she likes shopping at the Dollar Palace because it is convenient and casual. "I don't have to get all dressed up like I'm going to Wal-Mart or something", she said, adding....
So rest assured folks. There WILL be other stores that cater to certain crowds. 
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 10:45:05 AM
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Wal-Mart's effect on the local economy has, from what I understand, almost no effect on large cities (bastions of liberalism!)
On the other hand, they tend to have a devastating impact on small towns, which tend to be concentrations of conservatism (and who's denizens have large carbon footprints compared to city dwellers)...
At the level of the individual, well, yeah, I feel bad for the people who lose jobs and family businesses because of Wal-Mart. At the level of the country, at the level of society, I'm happy to see disincentives to living in small towns. More people should flock to big, cosmopolitan urban areas.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 11:01:45 AM
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Wal-Mart's effect on the local economy has, from what I understand, almost no effect on large cities (bastions of liberalism!)
On the other hand, they tend to have a devastating impact on small towns, which tend to be concentrations of conservatism (and who's denizens have large carbon footprints compared to city dwellers)...
At the level of the individual, well, yeah, I feel bad for the people who lose jobs and family businesses because of Wal-Mart. At the level of the country, at the level of society, I'm happy to see disincentives to living in small towns. More people should flock to big, cosmopolitan urban areas.
9000 people in the nearby town where Walmart is. Business and commerce in it are thriving, retail opening all around the Walmart store, manufacturing plants are expanding, and the population is booming.
Of course this IS Texas with about the best economy in the world due in great part to its conservative values. And maybe this town isn't small enough to fit your conjecture.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 11:06:46 AM
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There would be no Wal-Mart though if Americans didn't want to pay less for cheap junk as opposed to paying a little more for quality.
cheap junk? that "made in china" label is at ALL the stores.
All the same brands as any other store are there.....exactly the same thing.....
paying MORE for quality? If that's the case, then why does Target have profit margins that are TWICE that of Wal-Mart? Because they simply charge more for exactly the same stuff that Wal-mart sells (albeit under different "brands"...but, essentially the same things)....
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From kid toys, to vacuum cleaners to kitchen containers everything we buy has gotten incredibly shoddy
My wife bought a new vacuum cleaner a few years ago. It's a top quality Riccar. Cost her $600. Are YOU willing to shell out $600 for a vacuum cleaner? Are most people able to?
Plus, Wal-Mart sells Dyson's....those "glamorous" vacuums (that, in reality, don't really work well), but are sold for "top dollar" every where else. Again, EXACTLY the same items...
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Another thing that makes me so angry about this corporation is that they are so big they think they can just trample over anyone the feel like trampling. A couple years ago, they tried to build a Super Center in Inglewood, CA. The residents voted them down leading to other cities around Los Angeles County to do the same. Their reaction? "Well, we'll just build Super Centers all around the border of L.A. County so we still get the customers, but you don't get any of the taxes." I really don't react well to threats.
I don't see that as being a "threat"....I see it as saying, if you don't let us to operate our business HERE, and serve our customers....we'll simply serve our customers where we will be allowed to. They are just stating FACTS.
It's pure hypocrisy when these towns fight to keep a Wal-Mart away...but, welcome a Target with open arms....
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 11:49:21 AM
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cheap junk? that "made in china" label is at ALL the stores.
Exactly and it's cheap junk and it is at all the stores and that is my complaint about what I call the "Wal-Martification" of items. I'll give one example, Master Lock. They used to be "Made in America" and they used to last forever. I have one I have used for over 22 years and am still using on my work locker. Went through 2 of the new "Made in China" variety doing nothing but going to the Y and having them each stop turning and while one was temporarily fixable with WD, WD still holds moisture which made it no good. When mentioning why they were going to Make them in China they said people would rather buy cheap ones than good ones that last a long time so we have no choice.
There is a certain ethnic tool company that I and my shop have bought tape measures from for the last 18 years that I have been there. When I first started working that tape was about $13. Now it is about $8. Drop one back in the day and it was no big deal. The spring retractor didn't break. The clip didn't snap off so easily. They lasted until someone walked off with it. Now though you need to buy 2 or 3 to get the same use as one back in the day. Hey though we can now buy one for $8 instead of $13.
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paying MORE for quality? If that's the case, then why does Target have profit margins that are TWICE that of Wal-Mart? Because they simply charge more for exactly the same stuff that Wal-mart sells (albeit under different "brands"...but, essentially the same things)....
Well let's see Target has the wooden Thomas engines that Wal-Mart doesn't have. I bought my firewire cord for the camcorder that Wal-Mart doesn't have. We have only bought one costume for halloween at Wal-Mart instead of Target because once again for the higher price the quality was better according to the customer (my kids). We're much happier with the look and quality of the home items we've bought from Target over the years as opposed to Wal-Mart. If we want something cheap - say a TV Stand for the kids room we go get it at Wal-Mart because we don't care. If we want a nice one that will look nice and last we avoid it.
While many of the items at Target and Wal-Mart are the same and the everyday prices at Wal-Mart are cheaper Target has sales and passes along manufacturer savings discounts as they occur as opposed to Wal-Mart which spreads it out. What this means is an item on sale at Target will be a better price than at Wal-Mart but for everyday head to head prices you're better off at Wal-Mart.
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My wife bought a new vacuum cleaner a few years ago. It's a top quality Riccar. Cost her $600. Are YOU willing to shell out $600 for a vacuum cleaner? Are most people able to?
Actually I don't need to because we moved to a place with hard floors. Had we moved to a place with carpet would we? Yes because the carpet is a health issue with my youngest daughter and her ecszema. That's not a Wal-Mart issue though it is a medical issue but I did answer your question.
We can go back and forth on Wal-Mart vs. everything else. My big complaint on Wal-Mart which you totally missed was offset by the fact that Americans would rather pay a low price for cheap junk than a slightly higher (or considerably higher) price for slightly or far better quality.
You do understand what I am saying when I mention that Wal-Mart has required suppliers to show that their cost of production has gone down by X% each year correct? And this has impacted every competitor of every brand and every retail place. It has impacted every supplier of those suppliers. While this has often been good (we had to get very efficient because of the number of things we supplied to Wal-Mart suppliers) it has done absolutely nothing to improve quality but has made it worse.
Is this Wal-Marts fault? It's the consumers' fault and Wal-Mart simply helped expeditite the process.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 11:56:10 AM
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It's pure hypocrisy when these towns fight to keep a Wal-Mart away...but, welcome a Target with open arms....
I almost agree with that because I don't think Target is all that great either.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 12:09:07 PM
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Most of the ditch-diggers I know are absolutely NOT uneducated, illiterate, or lacking in average intelligence. Since they use heavy equipment, they have to be on the ball at all times.
Lest any more heavy-equipment operators (or those that love them) take umbrage at my terminology, "ditch-digger" is a figure of speech. Having operated excavators, dozers, payloaders, and tractors for years, I realize they are complex machines. Having also spent plenty of time on the business end of a shovel, pitchfork, and posthole-digger I have plenty of respect for those who work with their backs.
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A good many of the Walmart employees I have dealt with are under-educated and seem to operate more in autopilot and impulse than higher cognitive reasoning.
Exactly, and as I said, they need to eat too.
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A friend of mine is a teacher and works at Walmart to supplement her teacher's salary (she has 2 daughters in college). She hates it but has little choice, especially with the current economic climate. She takes note of the way that female employees are often passed over for raises and promotions despite the fact that they often excell over their male peers, and there are NO female managers there. Female employees are more likely to be shorted on scheduled hours and the reason given by management is that male employees need more hours to support their families; most of the female employees are single moms while most of the male employees are single. Go figure. But its a well-known fact that employees who DARE to file a complaint about any violations of federal/state laws are not just terminated, they are harrassed and threatened, and Wal-mart will actually sue them for the apparent purpose of ruining them completely and keeping them bankrupted for the rest of their lives. There's a site that actually details these cases- I think it's called Wal-martWatch. This information has also been covered on 20/20, 60 Minutes, and Frontline so its not just speculation.
Wal-Mart watch...funded and maintained entirely by those trying to unionize. I have close friends, some female, that have, and currently do work at Wal-Mart, and that's not been the case. My wife has a friend who has risen into management with Wal-Mart and she makes a really good living with nothing more than her HS diploma. But, one bit of anectodotal evidence is no better or worse than another pile.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 1:03:19 PM
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There would be no Wal-Mart though if Americans didn't want to pay less for cheap junk as opposed to paying a little more for quality.
cheap junk? that "made in china" label is at ALL the stores.
All the same brands as any other store are there.....exactly the same thing.....
paying MORE for quality? If that's the case, then why does Target have profit margins that are TWICE that of Wal-Mart? Because they simply charge more for exactly the same stuff that Wal-mart sells (albeit under different "brands"...but, essentially the same things)....
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From kid toys, to vacuum cleaners to kitchen containers everything we buy has gotten incredibly shoddy
My wife bought a new vacuum cleaner a few years ago. It's a top quality Riccar. Cost her $600. Are YOU willing to shell out $600 for a vacuum cleaner? Are most people able to?
Plus, Wal-Mart sells Dyson's....those "glamorous" vacuums (that, in reality, don't really work well), but are sold for "top dollar" every where else. Again, EXACTLY the same items...
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Another thing that makes me so angry about this corporation is that they are so big they think they can just trample over anyone the feel like trampling. A couple years ago, they tried to build a Super Center in Inglewood, CA. The residents voted them down leading to other cities around Los Angeles County to do the same. Their reaction? "Well, we'll just build Super Centers all around the border of L.A. County so we still get the customers, but you don't get any of the taxes." I really don't react well to threats.
I don't see that as being a "threat"....I see it as saying, if you don't let us to operate our business HERE, and serve our customers....we'll simply serve our customers where we will be allowed to. They are just stating FACTS.
It's pure hypocrisy when these towns fight to keep a Wal-Mart away...but, welcome a Target with open arms....
It's not hypocrisy when Wal-Mart already has a 3 story store less than 3 miles away. Why do they need another one? There's only one Target in the area.
They weren't stating facts. They stated their intention to deliberately drain tax money from the county. That is a threat.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 1:11:48 PM
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The task of government should be to create a business-friendly environment that will create jobs and a market that produces income from sales and income taxes. With that comes the responsibility to spend the tax income it receives in a responsible manner.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 1:18:12 PM
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Walmart isn't even the cheapest place to shop around here...not for groceries at least. THe other stores offer better coupon deals and sales than Walmart.
Cheap or not, I avoid Walmart altogether for groceries and only shop there for other items if it's the only place left to go for what I want. Considering the lows what they've already been proven to stoop to in order to shave off a few cents, I'd be scared to think what corners they're cutting on fresh meat and produce.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 1:24:37 PM
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Well good for Wal-Mart!! All these attacks on this great business model is nothing but liberal jealousy over a business that has done more to help the poor and middle class than all the government programs in the world could not, not to mention all the jobs that it has created (jobs people WANT!!) The jobs issue with Wal-Mart jobs is unionization, pure and simple. Unions do not tolerate companies that don't employ union workers, to the detriment of their employers and consumers (you listening, UAW?). Wal-Mart's is the retail business model of the future, like it or not. Quit whining about it and go there to fill out an application.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 1:41:34 PM
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It seems it's the American way to go after companies who have a successful business model. I think it's the union mentality that has seeped into our thinking. Is this why we keep wanting to punish success?
Oh well, with a new president, perhaps he'll spread the wealth.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 1:46:07 PM
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It seems it's the American way to go after companies who have a successful business model. I think it's the union mentality that has seeped into our thinking. Is this why we keep wanting to punish success?
Oh well, with a new president, perhaps he'll spread the wealth.
There's a fine line between success and greed. We've been on the greed side for far too long. That's what needs to be punished to balance things out again.
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RE: Wal-Mart is taking over - 11/13/2008 1:58:50 PM
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We have made a ton of money off our walmart stores. The more Walmart stores we open up here the more money my area makes. I only know of two mom-pop stores that closed but they were simply way too expensive. People didn't want to spend that much money when they could save alot by shopping walmart.
Thanks to walmart I have probably been able to employ one extra employee and they helped contribute to the raise our other employees recieved.
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It used to be I wouldn't touch anything from any of the bargain stores but the last 3 or 4 years name brand quality is an oxymoron anymore and I see no difference in the stuff from a place like Dollar Tree or Dollar General than I do at Wal-Mart. 
