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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/16/2008 3:34:56 PM
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essentialsaltes
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I have some questions for you. Do you think these men who are gitmo detainees appreciate your loyalty?
Loyalty? I have no loyalty to them. But I do have loyalty to the constitution and the law.
I don't care whether they appreciate our laws. I care whether we obey our laws.
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Do you think the detainees if released would do harm to you if given the chance?
What, me personally? The likelihood that they would do harm to me is tiny. Would they want to? I don't know. It doesn't matter. My fear is not a sufficient reason for the government to ignore the law.
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Do you want them in your neck of the woods after they are released, do you trust them, with your life, or your families?
I'm not inviting them to house-sit for me; I'm just insisting that either they be granted POW status, or given trials, or 'released'. Even if they are released, they are not US citizens, so I'd deport them back to wherever they come from.
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Would you want Charles Manson as a neighbor. I heard the other day he is 77 years old. Should he be released? He was not there at the killings, his followers did it. I do not here you shout "release Charles Manson!"
He was given a trial, convicted by a jury, sentenced, and incarcerated. That is how the legal system operates.
The Gitmo detainees are a very different situation for several reasons. Anyway, I am not shouting "release the detainees." Mostly, I've been shouting "torture is wrong," and it's discouraging to see that this is apparently a controversial opinion here.
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This is why I say where is your reality, does it stand for PC, or what is truth.
The reality is that torture is illegal. On this matter, I stand with the law of the land, rather than in opposition to the law.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/16/2008 3:35:37 PM
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Done! Would you like an "I approve of torture." t-shirt for Christmas?
Sure. Size large, preferably in blue. Need an address?
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/16/2008 3:39:42 PM
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Done! Would you like an "I approve of torture." t-shirt for Christmas?
Sure. Size large, preferably in blue. Need an address?
ETA: TOS#7 forbids asking or providing contact information.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/16/2008 6:27:49 PM
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I think Bush was a good president, and neither Bush or Chaney should serve time. Gitmo was not a bad idea. What would you have done? With respect, everyone thinks they could have done a better job. Bush kept this country safe for seven years, has anyone not noticed that. Gitmo is great, I do not want to live in terror, that is what terrorist do. They paralyze their victims with fear, and helplessness. Think about it, have you as a US citizen felt that fear since 9-11. I give Bush a hand how he has handled the war on terror. I do not want, the enemy right up clos and personal in your city? Gotmo is not bad.
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Gitmo was one of W biggest mistake. Look, he might be a believer but he was a bad President. Look Bush did not create Gitmo. It was Cheney that created that and Bush went along with it because Cheney really considers Bush as a dog. Cheney ran the real show and Bush was just the puppet that he used.
The liberals tell us that Bush should be impeached. No, he should not. Dick Cheney is one that should be impeaced and serve some time in the slammer
Clinton kept this country safe for 7 years too after the '93 attacks. What's your point?
And yes, calling people cockroaches is not a good idea, so don't try to downplay it. This isn't the first time you've called people of the Islamic faith demeaning names. It shows a great deal of hatred, even if you claim it's not.
It's already been proven that over half the people sent to Gitmo were innocent.
How many more there are innocent?
Clinton kept this country safe? Tell that to the families of the sailors on the USS Cole. That happened after the 1993 WTC bombing. Clinton didn't do anything. He sent a few missiles around the globe so people would think he was doing something. Then there were the bombings of the U.S. embassies, where was it, in Somalia? I can't remember which African country. Anyway, he sent a few missiles and hit a pharmacuetical factory. Granted, these attacks weren't on U.S. soil but U.S. citizens were attacked. Our naval vessels and embassies are a part of our country.
What we are talking about has nothing to do with religion or nationality. Perhaps you should go to Michael Savage's website and watch a beheading,(if the videos are still there). And perhaps you didn't know that the terrorists who took over the school in Russia forced a woman to choose either her baby or her older daughter. They told her she could go with only one of her daughters and forced her to choose. She chose her baby and walked away hearing her older daughter calling her and of course the older one was killed and that woman has no life now. She hears her daughter's voice all of the time. Perhaps people here don't understand what we are dealing with. It IS inhuman behavior. Call it what it is. Jesus would. Do you think He doesn't know? He knows we're human and it is incomprehensible to us. We're angered and sickened by terrorism. He understands because He is God and He knows there are circumstances where we are unable to love the sinner.
Where is the proof that over half the people at Gitmo are innocent?
I was talking about attacks on U.S. soil. If you wanna go with attacks against U.S. interests around the globe, then we've had more during Bush's term than during Clinton's. Sorry, but the argument that we've been safer during Bush's term is mute. Americans were safer in traveling around the world than they are now. I know this from hearing from friends in Central Asia who are increasing their security on a daily basis due to increased security threats in their country because we had to create a war in Iraq and not finish the job in the other country.
Articles have been posted that many people sent to Gitmo are innocent.
P.S. I am in no way taking up for Clinton. Only reminding people not to use mute arguments but to look at the facts.
Um, as I recall, Clinton had a couple of opportunities to send Usama to be with, what was it, seven or seventy virgins. Had he taken that opportunity there might be 3,000 people still alive in this country and we could have nipped this whole terrorist thing in the bud. But he didn't make any courageous decisions in eight years as President. Why people still pay any attention to him is beyond me.
If Central Asian countries have to increase their security, it's not because of the Iraq or Afghanistan war, but because the terrorists were emboldened by their successes in the '90's, by their success on 9/11 and by their earlier success in Iraq.
If you want my true opinion, cockroach is too good a word. I've had a few cockroaches for roommates and aside from multiplying rapidly and being EVERYWHERE, they don't take up much space and they don't eat much. I'd rather live with a cockroach than a terrorist.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/16/2008 6:33:05 PM
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Done! Would you like an "I approve of torture." t-shirt for Christmas?
Sure. Size large, preferably in blue. Need an address?
Yes, perhaps you can private message me with your contact info. It may be impractical to make up a unique shirt (since I don't think they sell them anywhere) but I'll look into it.
I'd LOVE one! But you have to specify that "I approve of torture of enemies of American Soldiers". You can fit it all in.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/16/2008 6:57:06 PM
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What? I cannot believe that this goes by unoticed by everyone. What is his motivation? We never wanted them on American soil. They are like cock-roaches, sorry if that offends, but they should never be allowed communication with each other.
Yes, that is offensive. These terrorists have done evil, repulsive things, but they are not cockroaches, they are human. The term "cockroach" that you use is the exact term that the Hutus used for Tutsis in Rwanda when they brutally "exterminated" about one million human beings - mostly hacked to death with machetes.
The first step towards being capable of horrible, ungodly violence is to dehumanize your enemies. That's exactly what the Hutus did in the 90's, that's exactly what the Nazis did in the 40's. Be very careful - when you attempt to dehumanize those you hate - the first thing you lose is your own humanity.
We have a right to bring criminals to justice, but we do not have a right to take away their humanity.
Just had to go back a few pages for this. Dbark, I am not a Hutu and I am not a Nazi. But I believe that the terrorists, the Hutus and the Nazi's dehumanized themselves. It's not just that they like to terrorize others and torture and murder them in horrific ways. It's about the pure evil in their acts. That is what makes them inhuman to me. When evil enters people they lose their humanity. The people you sited as dehumanizing their victims? They were the evil entities who had given up their own humanity. Where in Scripture does it tell us to sympathize with evil? It may say to love our enemies but it doesn't say to love evil.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/16/2008 7:41:28 PM
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Done! Would you like an "I approve of torture." t-shirt for Christmas?
Sure. Size large, preferably in blue. Need an address?
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. It may be impractical to make up a unique shirt (since I don't think they sell them anywhere) but I'll look into it.
I'd LOVE one! But you have to specify that "I approve of torture of enemies of American Soldiers". You can fit it all in.
Sorry, but the giver gets to choose the gift.
Unfortunately, the TOS forbids me from asking, or you from providing contact information.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/17/2008 6:03:48 AM
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I think Bush was a good president, and neither Bush or Chaney should serve time. Gitmo was not a bad idea. What would you have done? With respect, everyone thinks they could have done a better job. Bush kept this country safe for seven years, has anyone not noticed that. Gitmo is great, I do not want to live in terror, that is what terrorist do. They paralyze their victims with fear, and helplessness. Think about it, have you as a US citizen felt that fear since 9-11. I give Bush a hand how he has handled the war on terror. I do not want, the enemy right up clos and personal in your city? Gotmo is not bad.
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Gitmo was one of W biggest mistake. Look, he might be a believer but he was a bad President. Look Bush did not create Gitmo. It was Cheney that created that and Bush went along with it because Cheney really considers Bush as a dog. Cheney ran the real show and Bush was just the puppet that he used.
The liberals tell us that Bush should be impeached. No, he should not. Dick Cheney is one that should be impeaced and serve some time in the slammer
Clinton kept this country safe for 7 years too after the '93 attacks. What's your point?
And yes, calling people cockroaches is not a good idea, so don't try to downplay it. This isn't the first time you've called people of the Islamic faith demeaning names. It shows a great deal of hatred, even if you claim it's not.
It's already been proven that over half the people sent to Gitmo were innocent.
How many more there are innocent?
Clinton kept this country safe? Tell that to the families of the sailors on the USS Cole. That happened after the 1993 WTC bombing. Clinton didn't do anything. He sent a few missiles around the globe so people would think he was doing something. Then there were the bombings of the U.S. embassies, where was it, in Somalia? I can't remember which African country. Anyway, he sent a few missiles and hit a pharmacuetical factory. Granted, these attacks weren't on U.S. soil but U.S. citizens were attacked. Our naval vessels and embassies are a part of our country.
What we are talking about has nothing to do with religion or nationality. Perhaps you should go to Michael Savage's website and watch a beheading,(if the videos are still there). And perhaps you didn't know that the terrorists who took over the school in Russia forced a woman to choose either her baby or her older daughter. They told her she could go with only one of her daughters and forced her to choose. She chose her baby and walked away hearing her older daughter calling her and of course the older one was killed and that woman has no life now. She hears her daughter's voice all of the time. Perhaps people here don't understand what we are dealing with. It IS inhuman behavior. Call it what it is. Jesus would. Do you think He doesn't know? He knows we're human and it is incomprehensible to us. We're angered and sickened by terrorism. He understands because He is God and He knows there are circumstances where we are unable to love the sinner.
Where is the proof that over half the people at Gitmo are innocent?
I was talking about attacks on U.S. soil. If you wanna go with attacks against U.S. interests around the globe, then we've had more during Bush's term than during Clinton's. Sorry, but the argument that we've been safer during Bush's term is mute. Americans were safer in traveling around the world than they are now. I know this from hearing from friends in Central Asia who are increasing their security on a daily basis due to increased security threats in their country because we had to create a war in Iraq and not finish the job in the other country.
Articles have been posted that many people sent to Gitmo are innocent.
P.S. I am in no way taking up for Clinton. Only reminding people not to use mute arguments but to look at the facts.
Um, as I recall, Clinton had a couple of opportunities to send Usama to be with, what was it, seven or seventy virgins. Had he taken that opportunity there might be 3,000 people still alive in this country and we could have nipped this whole terrorist thing in the bud. But he didn't make any courageous decisions in eight years as President. Why people still pay any attention to him is beyond me.
If Central Asian countries have to increase their security, it's not because of the Iraq or Afghanistan war, but because the terrorists were emboldened by their successes in the '90's, by their success on 9/11 and by their earlier success in Iraq.
If you want my true opinion, cockroach is too good a word. I've had a few cockroaches for roommates and aside from multiplying rapidly and being EVERYWHERE, they don't take up much space and they don't eat much. I'd rather live with a cockroach than a terrorist.
It's seventy virgins, which comes from a Hadith that is not widely used or widely respected, but that's a side note.
Personally, I wouldn't resort to calling anyone derogatory names, though I must confess that I do have a few for some Christian leaders who fleece the flock, but so did Jesus. I have a name for our president-elect, but that's because of his socialist policies.
Regardless, we're basically looking at people who sin. They sin by murdering people. We sin by hating them. Jesus says that to hate someone in your heart is the same as murdering them. We need to be seeking out ways to love them. I believe there are still innocent people in Gitmo. Gitmo is a black eye on the face of America.
Here's an interesting read I just dug up:
Closing Guantanamo: A bloody mess
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/17/2008 9:36:51 AM
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Done! Would you like an "I approve of torture." t-shirt for Christmas?
Sure. Size large, preferably in blue. Need an address?
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. It may be impractical to make up a unique shirt (since I don't think they sell them anywhere) but I'll look into it.
I'd LOVE one! But you have to specify that "I approve of torture of enemies of American Soldiers". You can fit it all in.
Sorry, but the giver gets to choose the gift.
Unfortunately, the TOS forbids me from asking, or you from providing contact information.
The giver gets to choose the gift? And no conderation for the recipient? What kind of giving is that?
Wow , I'd hate to be on your Christmas shopping list. I would probably end up with a pair of socks or something.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/17/2008 10:22:33 AM
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I think Bush was a good president, and neither Bush or Chaney should serve time. Gitmo was not a bad idea. What would you have done? With respect, everyone thinks they could have done a better job. Bush kept this country safe for seven years, has anyone not noticed that. Gitmo is great, I do not want to live in terror, that is what terrorist do. They paralyze their victims with fear, and helplessness. Think about it, have you as a US citizen felt that fear since 9-11. I give Bush a hand how he has handled the war on terror. I do not want, the enemy right up clos and personal in your city? Gotmo is not bad.
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Gitmo was one of W biggest mistake. Look, he might be a believer but he was a bad President. Look Bush did not create Gitmo. It was Cheney that created that and Bush went along with it because Cheney really considers Bush as a dog. Cheney ran the real show and Bush was just the puppet that he used.
The liberals tell us that Bush should be impeached. No, he should not. Dick Cheney is one that should be impeaced and serve some time in the slammer
Clinton kept this country safe for 7 years too after the '93 attacks. What's your point?
And yes, calling people cockroaches is not a good idea, so don't try to downplay it. This isn't the first time you've called people of the Islamic faith demeaning names. It shows a great deal of hatred, even if you claim it's not.
It's already been proven that over half the people sent to Gitmo were innocent.
How many more there are innocent?
Clinton kept this country safe? Tell that to the families of the sailors on the USS Cole. That happened after the 1993 WTC bombing. Clinton didn't do anything. He sent a few missiles around the globe so people would think he was doing something. Then there were the bombings of the U.S. embassies, where was it, in Somalia? I can't remember which African country. Anyway, he sent a few missiles and hit a pharmacuetical factory. Granted, these attacks weren't on U.S. soil but U.S. citizens were attacked. Our naval vessels and embassies are a part of our country.
What we are talking about has nothing to do with religion or nationality. Perhaps you should go to Michael Savage's website and watch a beheading,(if the videos are still there). And perhaps you didn't know that the terrorists who took over the school in Russia forced a woman to choose either her baby or her older daughter. They told her she could go with only one of her daughters and forced her to choose. She chose her baby and walked away hearing her older daughter calling her and of course the older one was killed and that woman has no life now. She hears her daughter's voice all of the time. Perhaps people here don't understand what we are dealing with. It IS inhuman behavior. Call it what it is. Jesus would. Do you think He doesn't know? He knows we're human and it is incomprehensible to us. We're angered and sickened by terrorism. He understands because He is God and He knows there are circumstances where we are unable to love the sinner.
Where is the proof that over half the people at Gitmo are innocent?
I was talking about attacks on U.S. soil. If you wanna go with attacks against U.S. interests around the globe, then we've had more during Bush's term than during Clinton's. Sorry, but the argument that we've been safer during Bush's term is mute. Americans were safer in traveling around the world than they are now. I know this from hearing from friends in Central Asia who are increasing their security on a daily basis due to increased security threats in their country because we had to create a war in Iraq and not finish the job in the other country.
Articles have been posted that many people sent to Gitmo are innocent.
P.S. I am in no way taking up for Clinton. Only reminding people not to use mute arguments but to look at the facts.
Um, as I recall, Clinton had a couple of opportunities to send Usama to be with, what was it, seven or seventy virgins. Had he taken that opportunity there might be 3,000 people still alive in this country and we could have nipped this whole terrorist thing in the bud. But he didn't make any courageous decisions in eight years as President. Why people still pay any attention to him is beyond me.
If Central Asian countries have to increase their security, it's not because of the Iraq or Afghanistan war, but because the terrorists were emboldened by their successes in the '90's, by their success on 9/11 and by their earlier success in Iraq.
If you want my true opinion, cockroach is too good a word. I've had a few cockroaches for roommates and aside from multiplying rapidly and being EVERYWHERE, they don't take up much space and they don't eat much. I'd rather live with a cockroach than a terrorist.
It's seventy virgins, which comes from a Hadith that is not widely used or widely respected, but that's a side note.
Personally, I wouldn't resort to calling anyone derogatory names, though I must confess that I do have a few for some Christian leaders who fleece the flock, but so did Jesus. I have a name for our president-elect, but that's because of his socialist policies.
Regardless, we're basically looking at people who sin. They sin by murdering people. We sin by hating them. Jesus says that to hate someone in your heart is the same as murdering them. We need to be seeking out ways to love them. I believe there are still innocent people in Gitmo. Gitmo is a black eye on the face of America.
Here's an interesting read I just dug up:
Closing Guantanamo: A bloody mess
I think it is worse than sin. It is pure evil. No heart, no humanity whatsoever. They give up their hearts when they follow whomever it is they follow. That is what blind faith in a human cause does to a person.
Has anyone here said they hate anyone? I don't hate anyone.
As far as calling names, God knows our hearts anyway. Since the night of the election I have been calling Americans stupid. When talking to others, I usually use the word "deceived" but in my heart I think they are just stupid.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/17/2008 10:26:09 AM
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All Americans? Or just those who voted for a Marxist regime?
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/17/2008 10:29:50 AM
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Dbark Btw, I have also seen Hotel Rawanda, so not giving me new info, about the Hutu, and Tootsie.Gee
I know this isn't the topic of the thread, but I suggest doing more than just watching the movie Hotel Rwanda to understand what happened. While a good movie, there was much more to the conflict than it presented, much more. (And the correct spelling is Tutsi, not Tootsie.)
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/17/2008 10:39:02 AM
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As well, both Hutus and Tutsis both claim Christianity.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/17/2008 11:24:45 AM
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All Americans? Or just those who voted for a Marxist regime?
Sorry, those who voted for a Marxist regime.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/17/2008 11:30:04 AM
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All Americans? Or just those who voted for a Marxist regime?
Sorry, those who voted for a Marxist regime.
Whew! I know I'm not stupid then.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/17/2008 1:27:40 PM
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whatever lexie, I found the movie very, impacting and very tragic, It really deeply made me change my thought, they were called coackroaches not because the way they were, or anything they had done, it was racial clensing. I was making a point to those who have bashed us because they have no understanding, about the evil, and the cockroaches (like) that terrorist cell groups are like. It is apples and oranges, and we have two Jr. Holy Spirits thinking they can read hearts. So pleeeeeeeeeeeese, I thank you for correct spelling, i was under the influence of sick stomache medicine at the time, but thanks anyway, it was not a slur with the wrong spelling. like i said, had stomache flu, and phenergan (sp).
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Dbark Btw, I have also seen Hotel Rawanda, so not giving me new info, about the Hutu, and Tootsie.Gee
I know this isn't the topic of the thread, but I suggest doing more than just watching the movie Hotel Rwanda to understand what happened. While a good movie, there was much more to the conflict than it presented, much more. (And the correct spelling is Tutsi, not Tootsie.)
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/18/2008 1:59:27 PM
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hi - i had a question earlier, but i think it got lost.
Bush and Obama both want to close Gitanamo, but Bush said he was not able. Do you know why Bush could not or would not?
seems since obama is now going to be president, a lot of foreign leaders are finding they are willing to talk to Obama. ((ok lets not bash obama here)) I just wanna know why Bush couldn't do it.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/18/2008 3:42:38 PM
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letusreason
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hi - i had a question earlier, but i think it got lost.
Bush and Obama both want to close Gitanamo, but Bush said he was not able. Do you know why Bush could not or would not?
seems since obama is now going to be president, a lot of foreign leaders are finding they are willing to talk to Obama. ((ok lets not bash obama here)) I just wanna know why Bush couldn't do it.
You have a link to that please? Speech , quote, or something?
I just thought it would be a good idea to take the novel approach to seeing Bush's actions in context.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/19/2008 9:31:47 AM
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hi - i had a question earlier, but i think it got lost.
Bush and Obama both want to close Gitanamo, but Bush said he was not able. Do you know why Bush could not or would not?
seems since obama is now going to be president, a lot of foreign leaders are finding they are willing to talk to Obama. ((ok lets not bash obama here)) I just wanna know why Bush couldn't do it.
You have a link to that please? Speech , quote, or something?
I just thought it would be a good idea to take the novel approach to seeing Bush's actions in context.
I was watching news and this was what was reported, probably on CNN or MSNBC. I dont have "proof" or a "link" because Im not trying to make up a story or needing to "prove" something to you that i HEARD on the news. and I cannot figure out why bush could not get it done... Im not trying to bash bush or anything, just wondering if foreign leaders didn't want to work with him, or was it he didn't know what.. or something else. I dont hav a link coz i heard it on TV news.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/19/2008 9:34:00 AM
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I cannot figure out why bush could not get it done... Im not trying to bash bush or anything, just wondering if foreign leaders didn't want to work with him, or was it he didn't know what.. or something else. I dont hav a link coz i heard it on TV news.
And you call yourself a Calvinist!!!!!!
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/19/2008 1:24:18 PM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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I cannot figure out why bush could not get it done... Im not trying to bash bush or anything, just wondering if foreign leaders didn't want to work with him, or was it he didn't know what.. or something else. I dont hav a link coz i heard it on TV news.
And you call yourself a Calvinist!!!!!!
ha! yeah that i am :)
you mean its God that stopped Bush???
hmmm...
well i'd like to hear the rationale Bush feels he cant change anything.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/19/2008 1:40:54 PM
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I have no particular insight as to what Bush might have meant, but it strikes me that he may have felt that way since.
1. We do not have a POW camp/ concentration camp anywhere in the continental United States, at the present time.
2. The prisons that currently exist in America are too overcrowded already.
3. If we release them, (which many would really like to see) many of the countries that the present prisoner population of prisoners at Gitmo represent, do not want them back.
3. If we release them (which many would really prefer) we will only have to arrest them again and find somewhere else to put them ( a deserted, unreachable island somewhere).
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/19/2008 2:03:02 PM
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