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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 7:38:40 AM
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SonicStudent
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Sonic…I understand the stigma attached to predicting the beginning or end of prophecy events, because apparently almost everyone if not everyone has been wrong for the last 2000 years. However that being said… I think we are either entering the last week or will very soon.
Oh don't get me wrong Bob, when i say a couple of short years I mean just that, but am aware that if world events continue to spiral, things could move much quicker, almost over night.
I don't think it is coincidence that the world is being threatened by finacial collapse, and that Israels security is in question more than ever before, with Iran and just about every Muslim surrounding nation wanting to see her destroyed forever, or the fact that Russia is back to full strength and gathering her allies, and close to making a move on the worlds largest oil fields. That one world government is now not just being talked about, but is being positioned globally. That the need for one world religious union is also being pushed with force and manipulative speech to ensure against global destruction through fundimentalism. That lawlessness, greed and unrighteousness abounds more every year, so that people would welcome a global clampdown on crime that would see less freedom and more state control. The rise of one man causing so much worship and hope indicates a very scared world ready to throw all their eggs into one basket and run with whatever changes he see's are needed, regardless of his morals and more importantly, his standing in faith with literal belief in God's word.
If we view all that and still believe that the world is as it was, and not much has changed and we are as way off the end as any other generation. Then I don't know how bad things would need to get to wake you up!
So, yes, I agree Bob, I just wish it wasn't so!
< Message edited by SonicStudent -- 11/11/2008 8:06:00 AM >
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 11:18:48 AM
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Yes, thank you for the scriptures, Retro. There are times when God's word is my only comfort.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 2:32:25 PM
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Sonic…I agree with you for the most part but I’m looking for some confrontation between Israel and someone like Iran that will cause the world (Obama) to step in the middle between the two sides and broker a peace covenant.
For example; if Israel felt threatened enough by Iran and launched an attack to level their nuclear menace and were successful, it might bring about a collation of Muslim nations coming together to threaten Israel. Then someone like Obama, with his new found recognition by the Muslims might be able to step in and broker a peace agreement between the two sides.
Now it is very possible that this could happen in the very near future…something has to start the ball rolling.
Bob
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 2:48:50 PM
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SonicStudent
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Sonic…I agree with you for the most part but I’m looking for some confrontation between Israel and someone like Iran that will cause the world (Obama) to step in the middle between the two sides and broker a peace covenant.
For example; if Israel felt threatened enough by Iran and launched an attack to level their nuclear menace and were successful, it might bring about a collation of Muslim nations coming together to threaten Israel. Then someone like Obama, with his new found recognition by the Muslims might be able to step in and broker a peace agreement between the two sides.
Now it is very possible that this could happen in the very near future…something has to start the ball rolling.
Bob
Yep, I'm not disagreeing with you bro' in any way when I say, maybe it might be this or that or then. Just really being aware that there are many ways this might start, and i wonder to myself sometimes, what headline will we read first where we say to ourselves, 'this is it'!
If I can be totally open, I seem to look at Israel events as an almost seperate set of senario's to the beast situation 'up to a point'. What I mean is that i'm seeing events happen in our world now that tell show me that i'm seeing the beast system being built 'right now'. At the same time I'm seeing Israels's situation sliding totally towards the need for a peace deal and am expecting confrontation at any moment. I see these two seperate entities coming together at the point of the 'peace deal', which I'm expecting to see coming from anti-Christ from within the Beast system (or up out of).
Now what makes me think that we may be looking at a couple of years is the point that, as far as i read it anyway (correct me on any of this if wrong) The beast empire must rise, but struggle and anti-Christ must subdue some of them and turn it from a union into a dictatorship of sorts. So before the covenant, i'm expecting the One World Union to be put in place. 'Then' anti-Christ and his peace deal. How quick all that can happen I just don't know????
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 5:47:33 PM
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I am probably the only one in these forums that believes this, but I think the "final week" is half way over. The first half occurred during the destruction of the Temple which happened between 67-70 AD. I just want to repeat Daniel 9:27. It says "Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."
We know something happened midweek right? What happened? I am confident this is referring to the destruction of the temple since there is "end to sacrifice and offering" When we consider Matthew 24, we know Jesus predicted the destruction of the temple in verse 2. Verses 1-3 say "Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." 3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" I think this lines up with Daniel 9. Evidence of this is found in verse 15 of Matthew 24. It says "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand)"
If the full week (which I think is the 7 year tribulation) occurred at once, Israel would have been completely wiped out. Matthew 24:22 says "And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened." Daniel 12:11 says this time will be 1,290 days. This is different than the 42 months mentioned in Revelation multiple times (Rev 11:2 and 13:5). Specifically we know this to be 1,260 days (Rev 11:3).
If we add those 2 periods together, we get a total of 2,550 days. If we divide that by 365 or the Jewish year (360 days), we get 6.986 and 7.08 years respectively. This sounds like the 7 year tribulation or the final week to me.
This makes the most sense to me, but if anyone can show a better way, I am open to learn.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 5:57:51 PM
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No Brainteaser...you're not the only one. Retrobyter see a split week much like you. I don't but I sure see how you come to your conclusion.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 6:07:09 PM
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And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Dan 9:26-27
I read it…Christ is cut off at the end of 69 weeks and then the people of the prince shall destroy the city. Later the prince (at the start of the 70th week) shall confirm a covenant for a full week and in the midst that week shall break it and cause the sacrifice to cease.
I admit that it all gets a little hazy and I’m not sure who is right. Either way it seems we have 3 ½ years of pretty nasty stuff to endure.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 6:12:03 PM
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SonicStudent
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It's something i've never considered, but am gonna go a way and have a real good look. Hey, if it was correct, it would change a lot of what we are waiting to see.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 7:31:44 PM
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Dude, I think you just prophecied. THat's very biblical. Some say we might have less than 50 years before the Lord returns. I can see what you wrote happening. It's a shame it will be the religious leaders who wave their flag who will bring about the new world order. But this old gal ain't never gonna shut up. I talk too much and am too stubborn to shut up.
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you mean this week has been a wake up call. My head is still spinning. I'm praying we'll be gone before the AC shows up.
It's only a personal view, but I believe we have still a few short years before the final week. Years that will see some really bad times increasing (like birth pangs of a pregnant woman) Increasing and causing insecurity. Enabling world governments to bring in a World Order quickly because of national security issues and economic instability globally, requiring a global bank of some sort as nations break down internally.
Religious extremists will speed up the need for a one world multi-faith, where the 'TRUE' Christians won't be able to openly claim Christ as 'The Only Way', as it won't fit with the new religious order that requires acceptance of each faith on equal terms.
Don't get me wrong, i believe this can all happen very quickly under certain circumstances and extreme threatening conditions of national security. But I still feel, well, a little while.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 7:37:00 PM
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Dancre
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Let me also add, this time it seems so different. Someone wrote somewhere on the board that we are just using emotions. This happened when Clinton was elected. But this is different. Things seem to be following the Word of God. That's what makes this time different. Also I'm glad others are getting this from God.
But know, that you all are standing in the palm of the Father. We'll be fine. God is our provider, protector, husband, shepherd. HE will be there for us.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 7:41:46 PM
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Dude, I think you just prophecied. THat's very biblical. Some say we might have less than 50 years before the Lord returns. I can see what you wrote happening. It's a shame it will be the religious leaders who wave their flag who will bring about the new world order. But this old gal ain't never gonna shut up. I talk too much and am too stubborn to shut up.
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you mean this week has been a wake up call. My head is still spinning. I'm praying we'll be gone before the AC shows up.
It's only a personal view, but I believe we have still a few short years before the final week. Years that will see some really bad times increasing (like birth pangs of a pregnant woman) Increasing and causing insecurity. Enabling world governments to bring in a World Order quickly because of national security issues and economic instability globally, requiring a global bank of some sort as nations break down internally.
Religious extremists will speed up the need for a one world multi-faith, where the 'TRUE' Christians won't be able to openly claim Christ as 'The Only Way', as it won't fit with the new religious order that requires acceptance of each faith on equal terms.
Don't get me wrong, i believe this can all happen very quickly under certain circumstances and extreme threatening conditions of national security. But I still feel, well, a little while.
Less than 50 years? I think we have less that 3 years! And Im not joking. All signs have been fulfilled and everything is moving into position. Nothing should take us Christians by surprise, the Lord says, "Look up my children...its almost time to come home!"
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 7:56:38 PM
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SonicStudent
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It's true, people did start getting itchy when with clinton. However, I see that as even then, it was slowly becoming clear that things were headed in the end time direction. However, it is different this time. As Misty just said, never before have so many things come together in such a short time. From clear moves to a world order being spoken openly, to multi-faith. Couple with ecconomic calapse and global concerns in nature.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 8:04:29 PM
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misty35
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It's true, people did start getting itchy when with clinton. However, I see that as even then, it was slowly becoming clear that things were headed in the end time direction. However, it is different this time. As Misty just said, never before have so many things come together in such a short time. From clear moves to a world order being spoken openly, to multi-faith. Couple with ecconomic calapse and global concerns in nature.
I work for a huge Investment Company...with the stock market every single day, and guys, Im telling ya, its not good! Just take that as a warning, and PROTECT what you have.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 8:10:34 PM
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That's ok then, I have no money. All I have is a guitar, camera and dandruff
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 8:28:36 PM
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Right there with you, Sonic. I wouldn't know if Wall street shut down at least for a while. I have nothing to worry about losing there.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 8:33:08 PM
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Right there with you, Sonic. I wouldn't know if Wall street shut down at least for a while. I have nothing to worry about losing there.
No, but there are lots of people who have their life savings there, and dont even realize whats happening around them, and thats a scary thing to know that the bottom could fall out at any minute, and then you have clients who are left with nothing, but worked all their lives for it. Its a major concern, that alot of these older people dont have a cluie about, who are very naive when it comes to certain financil advisors, supposely advising them, when indeed their not, because their greedy, I just thank God that I work for a honest man and who loves and serves the Lord and has our clients best interest at heart.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 8:41:45 PM
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Yeah...what little I had in the market I took out two years ago...decided that the world was ready for a hiccup and that would be the end of it.
Bob
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 8:44:39 PM
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SonicStudent
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But the big question is - have you got dandruff???
Sorry, back to topic
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 9:08:24 PM
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I joke with you not. House prices have dropped so much here, I've thought about selling up while it is still worth more than i paid and renting.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/11/2008 10:44:04 PM
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bob97
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Talk about dooms day conspiracy… here is one. The one thing I do see that tracks…they were talking about the economic collapse and we did have something very close to that and maybe the beginning of that very thing that happened in Oct 2008.
http://www.uaff.us/as_america_collapses.htm
Here is another constitutionally conservative blog with some very good info;
http://www.dailynewscaster.com/
Bob
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