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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/12/2008 11:48:37 AM
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PaleHawkWoman
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A proprieter should have the right to choose to allow or dis-allow smoking on his property. A consumer has the right to choose which establishments she will patronize. And a parent has the right to smoke in the presence of his child. If they prohibit this right, what is next: taking the child to McDonalds or Dunking Doughnuts?
Smoking around your kids is not any different than smoking pot or crack around them- you are exposing them to a harmful substance which has been proven to cause serious illness and physical deteroration.
When my second child was born, my ex-mtl actually lit up with the baby in her arms and then blew the smoke into her face! My husband(at the time) blew a gasket and took the baby from her before chewing his mother out. Her defense? "Oh, it doesn't hurt anyone!" She died 5 yrs later from arterial schlerosis, emphysema, and stroke from coronary disease... all directly related to her heavy smoking.
Children need to be protected, and sometimes from their parents' bad "habits". I have never allowed my kids to go to a friend's house orride anywhere with them if the parents smoke (or drink), and have never allowed anyone to smoke and drink in my house. Public Health Data shows that children of smokers have much lower birth weights and brain sizes than children of non-smokers, and this is true even if the pregnant mother doesn't smoke but her partner does. Children in smoker's homes have much higher rates of asthma, bronchitis, and other respiratory illnesses, and much higher rates of cancer than children in non-smoking homes. Children of smokers tend to grow up with more health problems, and smokers are less productive members of the work force due to increased health problems.
And let's not get started on the medical expenses incurred by smokers which we all end up paying!
If you own a business and want to ban smoking, so be it. As a non-smoker I will be more than happy to patronize your establishment!
If you want to allowsmoking, are willing to shoulder the increased expenses for insurance, damages to inventory, and maintenance costs, fine. I will choose to refrain from setting foot inside. But businessses where children (who have no choice) will be present, should have a ban on smoking in the best interest of those children.
Parents who smoke should not do so in their cars or homes when their children are present, but if they are so selfish as to endanger their kids, don't ask the rest of us to pay for those children's medical expenses via medicaid or welfare.
And don't whine about having to pay higher insurance premiums than non-smokers. Smokers have greater health risks and more frequent occurance of illness than non-smokers, which means increased healthcare expenses. Cost more-pay more.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/12/2008 3:45:38 PM
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uncabeeil
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To me it's pretty simple, you want to commit slow suicide then go right ahead. Just don't do it where it's gonna affect me, too. I'm all for banning all public smoking. Keep your death wish in your own home thankyouverymuch.
Disclaimer: This post was written by a reformed smoker. Quit after 30+ years.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/12/2008 4:31:59 PM
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PaleHawkWoman
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To me it's pretty simple, you want to commit slow suicide then go right ahead. Just don't do it where it's gonna affect me, too. I'm all for banning all public smoking. Keep your death wish in your own home thankyouverymuch.
Disclaimer: This post was written by a reformed smoker. Quit after 30+ years.
Exactly!!!!
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/12/2008 10:11:11 PM
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colliefan
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Smoking around your kids is not any different than smoking pot or crack around them
Total bunk! Pot and crack are illegal drugs. As I posted, what's next taking your children away b/c of a parent's poor eating habits? I guess kids can't attend a ceremony where the Peace Pipe is smoked?
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/12/2008 11:15:35 PM
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PaleHawkWoman
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Smoking around your kids is not any different than smoking pot or crack around them
Total bunk! Pot and crack are illegal drugs. As I posted, what's next taking your children away b/c of a parent's poor eating habits? I guess kids can't attend a ceremony where the Peace Pipe is smoked?
Legal does NOT mean safe- cigarette smoke IS harmful and there's abundant medical evidence to back that up.
As far as the pipe- we don't use chemically-processed tobacco and we do not inhale the smoke- we take it into our mouths only and then blow it out with our prayers. The tobacco is the original old knick-knick and is mixed with willow bark and other herbs. The Pipe Ceremony is not a daily event, and small children are seldom part of the circle unless there has been a death or a serious illness. They do not take the pipe-it is passed over and around them.
And its not a "Peace" Pipe, its the pipe, period. Tobacco is never offered in an act of war so there's no "War" Pipe. Tobacco is a sacred thing- not to be used as an addiction- and its use must be in keeping with the ceremonies set by the Creator as a sacrament and fragrant offering.
Cigarettes are a whole 'nother thing- the tobacco comes from hybridized nicotine-on-steroids varieties developed by the tobacco industry. The tobacco is cured via woodsmoke and then processed with toxic chemicals. This souped-up mess is then packaged as a cigarette which includes a filter whose main component is formaldehyde. There are more than 65 known carcinogens in cigarette smoke alone. Processed tobacco for snuff and pipes has flavorings added to it and is no better than the cigarettes.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/13/2008 12:13:41 AM
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Well, that's because people involved in texting truly ARE a danger to themselves and others due to the loss of attention to their driving! Have you never had the privelege of sharing the road with someone who's busy texting? It's enough to turn an atheist to faith!
Have you ever tried texting while driving? It's REALLY hard. Gotta make sure to have a lot of distance between you and the guy ahead of you. Need a straight road, too.
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I agree that the government really has no right to place smoking bans on nightclubs. When people drink and they're smokers, they want to smoke. Usually, there are more people who smoke who generally patronize these nightclubs. Placing smoking bans on these nightclubs, I am sure smoking bans take a big cut out of the revenues the owners use to make. Instead of banning smoking in the clubs already established, they should open new smoke free clubs for those who don't smoke. Don't get me wrong I'm not for smoking, but to suddenly disallow smoking in clubs that have been established for a while just stinks. 
Generally, the argument has been (as far as I've heard) that indoor smoking poses a workplace health hazard. Since the gov't has the power to regulate such things, no smoking inside - including bars. Having formerly worked in bars and now working in an office where 50% of the staff smokes, I am GLAD that these laws have come into effect. I can't tolerate cigarette smoke - it makes me very congested, sick to my stomach, and ultimately affects my ability to do my job (that's only in the short-term; we all know what the long-term effects are). If we were only talking about recreation and entertainment, it wouldn't matter that much. But when your (not necessarily you personally; the global 'you') stupid habit creates an unnecessary health hazard and interferes with my livelihood, then there's a problem. It's not a nanny state; it's standing up for the people who are on the receiving end of others' callousness.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/13/2008 12:27:03 AM
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Smoking is a vile disgusting habit..... and I need to quit.
Having said that, I could agree with a law banning smoking in ones car if there were small children present, but I would rather people use common sense on their own instead of having it forced upon them.
Cheers,
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/13/2008 7:17:28 AM
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I think the bans in some buildings are stupid. I can understand not smoking in a restaurant or a shopping mall, but why not in a bar?? What's next, no alcohol in bars either?
When I lived in SoCal my husband and I would frequent a hookah bar. For those that don't know it's a bong type thing that is used to smoke, and in the hookah bar, it's used to smoke tobacco. But, even though everyone there was smoking the hookah they didn't allow anyone to smoke cigarettes. LOL! Some laws are so ridiculous...
To the other person... a parent can lose the rights of their children for overeating. I'm not sure if that's in all states or not. Absurd nonetheless.
I smoke in my car and it's never caused me to lose my focus. I don't need to take my eyes off the road to pull the cigg from the box or to light it or to flick the ashes. Those big stupid flashing billboards are far more of a distraction... and those people who hold signs on the side of the road.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/13/2008 8:23:58 AM
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Those big stupid flashing billboards are far more of a distraction... and those people who hold signs on the side of the road.
Uggg... I completely agree... Can't stand those things. I was recently driving through Maine, and it took me while to realize that it was the lack of ugly Billboards that made the drive even more enjoyable.
Cheers,
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/13/2008 9:59:18 AM
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stellaluna
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I think the bans in some buildings are stupid. I can understand not smoking in a restaurant or a shopping mall, but why not in a bar?? What's next, no alcohol in bars either?
When I lived in SoCal my husband and I would frequent a hookah bar. For those that don't know it's a bong type thing that is used to smoke, and in the hookah bar, it's used to smoke tobacco. But, even though everyone there was smoking the hookah they didn't allow anyone to smoke cigarettes. LOL! Some laws are so ridiculous...
To the other person... a parent can lose the rights of their children for overeating. I'm not sure if that's in all states or not. Absurd nonetheless.
I smoke in my car and it's never caused me to lose my focus. I don't need to take my eyes off the road to pull the cigg from the box or to light it or to flick the ashes. Those big stupid flashing billboards are far more of a distraction... and those people who hold signs on the side of the road.
No one has said that smoking in the car is a distraction to the driver. The proposed ban would prevent children from being in the car with a smoker. Do you smoke with your baby in the car? I can guarantee if you do that she smells like cigarette smoke. I can tell you that because I have a lot of friends who smoke in the car with the windows down to keep it from "getting on their kids" and their kids smell like smoke when they get out of the car.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/13/2008 10:55:07 AM
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Kind of off topic but then not really is that California's dirty air kills more than its car crashes which kills more than smoking does.
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If pollution levels were to improve to federal standards, the study says residents of the two air basins would suffer 3,860 fewer premature deaths, 3,780 fewer nonfatal heart attacks and would miss 470,000 fewer days of work annually. School children would miss more than 1.2 million fewer days of school, a savings of $112 million in caregiver costs. There also would be more than 2 million fewer cases of upper respiratory problems. Let's just ban it all and be done with it. 
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/13/2008 1:19:44 PM
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I can't tolerate cigarette smoke - it makes me very congested, sick to my stomach, and ultimately affects my ability to do my job (that's only in the short-term; we all know what the long-term effects are).
No one holds a gun to your head and forces you to work in an establishment that allows smoking. Find another job!
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Uggg... I completely agree... Can't stand those things. I was recently driving through Maine, and it took me while to realize that it was the lack of ugly Billboards that made the drive even more enjoyable[
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Don't property owners have the right to allow a billboard om their property? I guess not since we are moving into an Obamanation.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/13/2008 5:29:35 PM
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I can't tolerate cigarette smoke - it makes me very congested, sick to my stomach, and ultimately affects my ability to do my job (that's only in the short-term; we all know what the long-term effects are).
No one holds a gun to your head and forces you to work in an establishment that allows smoking. Find another job!
Actually, it would be a whole new career. I work in audio production and a large percentage of my work is (or at least was) in bars and recording studios, both of which were generally filled with a thick haze back in the day.
-Dan.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/13/2008 8:36:58 PM
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stellaluna
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Uggg... I completely agree... Can't stand those things. I was recently driving through Maine, and it took me while to realize that it was the lack of ugly Billboards that made the drive even more enjoyable[
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Don't property owners have the right to allow a billboard om their property? I guess not since we are moving into an Obamanation.
Has nothing to do with Obama. We've had a billboard ordinance for years and other cities around here have them as well.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/13/2008 8:39:57 PM
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On the highway here I was driving the other day and a billboard caught my eye. In huge massive font it read "Swingers Wanted." I was like GASP and had to look twice to be sure of what I read. It ended up being an advertisement for a golf course but my lantaaa talk about distracting. Far more distracting than the cig I lit a few minutes later...
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