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Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/10/2008 8:58:20 PM
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deliveredarling
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My Mom watches the Dallas news and told me that in Dallas they are proposing a smoking ban in personal automobiles. I did a quick search on the internet and can't find it. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
Personally I think this truly violates our rights. Health issues aside, it's a freedom issue.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/10/2008 9:12:44 PM
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Well, there's a law here in California that you can't talk on your own cell phone while driving your car. I wouldn't be surprised though.
Have you tried searching any Dallas newspaper websites?
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/10/2008 9:25:17 PM
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I've always had a smoking ban in my car.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/10/2008 9:26:46 PM
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In Ontario they've either passed or have proposed banning smoking in a car when children are present.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 9:04:56 AM
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I've always had a smoking ban in my car.
Same here.
My youngest daughter smokes,and was complaining that her right's were being taken away from her.I replied to her,"my right's are finally being given back to me".
There is a smoking ban In my house too.
If people want to smoke,that's fine,let them smoke In the privacy of their house with all the windows and door's shut.Just don't destroy my lungs.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 9:16:08 AM
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deliveredarling
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Point being is YOU have the right to ban smoking in YOUR car. The government doesn't have the right to ban anyone from smoking in THEIR car.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 9:25:35 AM
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Well, there's a law here in California that you can't talk on your own cell phone while driving your car. I wouldn't be surprised though.
Have you tried searching any Dallas newspaper websites?
But you can text while driving.
Go figure. It's California. 
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 10:06:16 AM
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Took maybe 5 seconds to find this:
And together, council members provided little, if any, support for regulating smoking on outdoor patios, in public parks or within private automobiles when children are present.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 10:12:01 AM
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cog41
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Can anyone confirm or deny this?
This came from Dallas mayor Tom Leppert. Carrying the ideas of former mayor Laura Miller one step further. Hers started with eating establishments,malls etc.. She wanted to include bars but too much opposition.
Don't think the car rhing will pass but what's next? Your back porch? Your living room?
Remember folks, crack the door and they'll push it open and take over.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 10:24:06 AM
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Well, there's a law here in California that you can't talk on your own cell phone while driving your car. I wouldn't be surprised though.
Have you tried searching any Dallas newspaper websites?
But you can text while driving.
Go figure. It's California.
Not after Jan. 1
California drivers chafing at the ban on holding cellphones can soon forget about texting, too: Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has banned motorists from sending, writing or reading messages on electronic devices starting Jan. 1.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 11:25:03 AM
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PaleHawkWoman
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Well, there's a law here in California that you can't talk on your own cell phone while driving your car. I wouldn't be surprised though.
Have you tried searching any Dallas newspaper websites?
But you can text while driving.
Go figure. It's California.
Not after Jan. 1
California drivers chafing at the ban on holding cellphones can soon forget about texting, too: Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has banned motorists from sending, writing or reading messages on electronic devices starting Jan. 1.
LINK
Well, that's because people involved in texting truly ARE a danger to themselves and others due to the loss of attention to their driving! Have you never had the privelege of sharing the road with someone who's busy texting? It's enough to turn an atheist to faith!
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 2:25:34 PM
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Can anyone confirm or deny this?
This came from Dallas mayor Tom Leppert. Carrying the ideas of former mayor Laura Miller one step further. Hers started with eating establishments,malls etc.. She wanted to include bars but too much opposition.
Don't think the car rhing will pass but what's next? Your back porch? Your living room?
Remember folks, crack the door and they'll push it open and take over.
Agreed. That should have been the business owners to ban smoking in there establishment, not the city. If customers don't like the smell of cigarettes or have asthma, then take your money elsewhere that doesn't allow smoking.
Leppert was asked about this on the Mike Gallagher show, and Leppert's defense was that the employees have to smell the smoke. He said that the employees are low-skilled and can't readily go find another job.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 3:56:56 PM
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Agreed. That should have been the business owners to ban smoking in there establishment, not the city. If customers don't like the smell of cigarettes or have asthma, then take your money elsewhere that doesn't allow smoking.
Actually, there are plenty of instances in which there isn't an alternative for someone who doesn't want to be around smoke. We just had this argument ad nauseum in my city. When it comes to smoking bans, don't assume the government is acting on behalf of itself...it may very well be responding to the wants of constituents.
Banning smoking in cars is a little trickier because it is truly a private space. But if some people are stupid enough to smoke in a car with children present, knowing that smoking is dangerous, then maybe the government should intervene. After all, if your car is already off-limits for smoking, a ban shouldn't bother you.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 4:39:23 PM
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I'd have thought that a ban on smoking in cars is less to do with protecting the smoker and more to do with removing the distraction which may ultimately cause a serious accident.
As has already been said, using mobile phones whilst driving has been outlawed in some parts for just that reason. I imagine removing a cigarette from the packet, putting it in your mouth and lighting it are actions that cause considerable distraction, although I wouldn't know since I don't smoke. Then the question is of degree. At what point does any action become enough of a preoccupation to be banned? If I have a packet of sweets on the seat beside me it takes just as much of my attention to unwrap and eat one. That said, my driving does temporarily suffer as a result. So, should we ban anything that requires you to look away from the road or remove your hands from the 10 and 2 o'clock position? Personally, I think that would be unreasonable.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 5:06:40 PM
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Well, there's a law here in California that you can't talk on your own cell phone while driving your car. I wouldn't be surprised though.
Have you tried searching any Dallas newspaper websites?
But you can text while driving.
Go figure. It's California.
Not after Jan. 1
California drivers chafing at the ban on holding cellphones can soon forget about texting, too: Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has banned motorists from sending, writing or reading messages on electronic devices starting Jan. 1.
LINK
Well, that's because people involved in texting truly ARE a danger to themselves and others due to the loss of attention to their driving! Have you never had the privelege of sharing the road with someone who's busy texting? It's enough to turn an atheist to faith!
Tell me about it. I was driving down the freeway, when I noticed this lady in a van next to me trying to move into my lane. I was terrified because the only place for me to go was into the cars in the other lane next to me. She didn't even have her signal on, I honked and honked my horn to no avail. Other cars even honked trying to get her attention. I ended up driving half in my lane and half in the other lane praying I wouldn't crash until she was fully in my lane. Then I was able to pull up behind her and get in the other lane and pull up beside her. When I was level with her and looked over I saw she was gabbing on her cell phone totally oblivious to the major accident she almost caused. I was going to follow her and share a few choice words with her, but decided the better against it. I probably would have reached out and touched her in a most unloving way.
Smoking can be distracting espeically when one drops their cigarette, is trying to light their cigarette or trying to find the ashtray to flick their cigarette. You can usually spot when this happens because they'll be driving normal at first, then you'll see them suddenly swerving back and forth. It probably would be a good idea to ban smoking, but I don't think the people would go for it.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 5:17:06 PM
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Agreed. That should have been the business owners to ban smoking in there establishment, not the city. If customers don't like the smell of cigarettes or have asthma, then take your money elsewhere that doesn't allow smoking.
Actually, there are plenty of instances in which there isn't an alternative for someone who doesn't want to be around smoke. We just had this argument ad nauseum in my city. When it comes to smoking bans, don't assume the government is acting on behalf of itself...it may very well be responding to the wants of constituents.
Banning smoking in cars is a little trickier because it is truly a private space. But if some people are stupid enough to smoke in a car with children present, knowing that smoking is dangerous, then maybe the government should intervene. After all, if your car is already off-limits for smoking, a ban shouldn't bother you.
i do not believe the government is acting on behalf of itself, but rather the city is turning into a nanny-state. Since you (you in general, not in particular) cannot take care of yourself or don't know what is better for you, we must make laws to protect you. If I worked hard and built a business, spending $hundreds of thousands to get it up and running and going, then some Joe-shmoe off the street doesn't like cigarettes so I have to close my business down?
If you were to go to the West End in Dallas before the smoking ban, then you go there today, you would see that there is a stark difference and it is bare at night compared to yesteryear. Many owners took their businesses to other cities and I don't blame them.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 5:54:51 PM
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If I worked hard and built a business, spending $hundreds of thousands to get it up and running and going, then some Joe-shmoe off the street doesn't like cigarettes so I have to close my business down?
If you were to go to the West End in Dallas before the smoking ban, then you go there today, you would see that there is a stark difference and it is bare at night compared to yesteryear. Many owners took their businesses to other cities and I don't blame them.
You wouldn't have to close your business down; you would simply have to keep smoke out of it. West End isn't a very good example because neighborhoods like that tend to be trendy for awhile and then not so trendy. Same thing with Deep Elum. The thing about an across-the-board smoking ban is that every business is in the same boat--no one can choose to not patronize a non-smoking business.
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I agree that the government really has no right to place smoking bans on nightclubs. When people drink and they're smokers, they want to smoke.
People who smoke want to smoke wherever they are. So why not let them smoke in the doctor's office? In the hospital? In Target? Walmart? Your kid's daycare center? The elementary school down the street--it's taxpayer supported, after all. There are already lines drawn. I'm not saying I would support a ban in people's homes or cars, but I can certainly understand why someone would step up and say "This parent is smoking around their child and we need to protect the child." I guess we could have conscientious objection, just like for vaccinations.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 6:14:21 PM
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Agreed. That should have been the business owners to ban smoking in there establishment, not the city. If customers don't like the smell of cigarettes or have asthma, then take your money elsewhere that doesn't allow smoking.
It's really so very simple, isn't it? Yet it constantly appears to be unfathomable to so many. The biggest enemy of freedom is often someone who thinks they have been ordained to make your life better.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 7:20:58 PM
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People who smoke want to smoke wherever they are. So why not let them smoke in the doctor's office? In the hospital? In Target? Walmart? Your kid's daycare center? The elementary school down the street--it's taxpayer supported, after all. There are already lines drawn. I'm not saying I would support a ban in people's homes or cars, but I can certainly understand why someone would step up and say "This parent is smoking around their child and we need to protect the child." I guess we could have conscientious objection, just like for vaccinations.
This brought to mind an issue we dealt with in Bossier city, Louisiana. Certain citizens decided that they did not like "sagging". Now, I am not a fan of sagging, but to each, his own right? Not so on the Boardwalk. Sagging is banned. Now this is a complete injustice. I don't care if you don't like how someone wears their clothes, the gov. doesn't have a constitutional right to tell you that you can't wear them a certain way. What people are missing, is that today it's smoking, what will it be tomorrow? Tomorrow just might be the day they decide that they don't like something YOU do, and decide to ban it. What if people suddenly decide that tattoos are offensive and dig until they find that somehow tattoos are dangerous? They then will decide to ban them. What if you already have one? I suppose to be law abiding, you must have it removed, at your own cost.
Just because some people jump up and down and scream about it, doesn't mean it should be banned. Unfortunately, that is exactly the way it is, because we as citizens have allowed this sort of thing to occur. We heard an issue and jumped right onto the emotional bandwagon and didn't think the issue all the way through before following it like dumb sheep.
Prayer is schools is a very good example, folks!
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 7:50:41 PM
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I agree, the sagging is dumb, but not the same. A smoking ban is like having a peeing section in a pool...which end would you rather be in? Sagging is distasteful, perhaps, but it doesn't harm anyone's health.
If you should be able to do anything in your business, why not dump your grease on the ground out back? Why worry about emissions from factories? Why prevent anyone from releasing poisons into our lakes and rivers? A smoking ban in a business insures that anyone can go inside that business. Allowing smoking only insures that smokers are comfortable there. Whose freedom are we talking about? Is the freedom of the non-smoker to breathe clean air less than the freedom of the smoker to pollute their surroundings?
Again, I worry that banning smoking in cars is a slippery slope, but it also infuriates me when I see people smoking in cars with children or taking them into smoking sections in restaurants, etc.
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 8:02:48 PM
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Whose freedom are we talking about? Is the freedom of the non-smoker to breathe clean air less than the freedom of the smoker to pollute their surroundings?
I could go with that, if smoking hadn't of been around for umpteen dozen years.
I mean, really we will ban smoking but not the cars and eighteen wheelers that poison our air already . We still allow coal mining, even though many men have died from breathing in that toxic stuff. We regulate to appease, we have yet to solve the problem. In the grand scheme of thing, smoking in the open air does little damage. I would think that smoking in a car for a short time would do little damage, now if we were talking 8 hours a day everyday, I could support that.....
However, in light of all the other dangerous things out there, smoking is small potatoes.
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A smoking ban is like having a peeing section in a pool...which end would you rather be in?
BTW, that was a good one! 
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 9:19:21 PM
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A proprieter should have the right to choose to allow or dis-allow smoking on his property. A consumer has the right to choose which establishments she will patronize. And a parent has the right to smoke in the presence of his child. If they prohibit this right, what is next: taking the child to McDonalds or Dunking Doughnuts?
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RE: Smoking Ban in Cars - 11/11/2008 11:35:54 PM
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cog41
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And a parent has the right to smoke in the presence of his child. If they prohibit this right, what is next: taking the child to McDonalds or Dunking Doughnuts?
Mayor Leppert did say they thought about applying it only to cars carrying children. Yeah right.
Next, you can't smoke in your back yard because the smoke drifts toward your neighbor's kids playing in their back yard.
Again, crack the door and they'll charge right on in.
Slippery slope to a bottomless pit.
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