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leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/9/2008 4:08:10 PM   
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This is my first post here as i have just recentally become a christian. I was raised without religion and was an atheist for almost 28 years. But in the last month things have changed and god has shown me things and i know i was wrong. So now i am in the process of reading the bible for the first time anbd i came to leviticus chapter 11. IT lists all the rules for what you can and cannot eat. Well i must say i eat/have eaten alot of that stuff and i have never heard of christians not eating some of that stuff. I know the jewish wont eat pork. But it lists pork,fish without scales, rabbit, snake and some others.

So what exzectally are the rules. Is it ok in todays time to eat this stuff again? Am i just not far enough in the bible yet where it says its ok? This is the first part i have come to that confuses me.
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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/9/2008 5:47:36 PM   
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Well since you claim to be a Christian and not a practicing Jew I would suggest you study the New Testament (which is the owners manual for Christians) and not the Old Testament for what to do and not do.

As far as fooks please read the Book of Acts here;

(Act 10:9) On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

(Act 10:10) And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

(Act 10:11) And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

(Act 10:12) Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

(Act 10:13) And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

(Act 10:14) But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

(Act 10:15) And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

(Act 10:16) This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.


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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/9/2008 5:55:59 PM   
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Thank you.. I figured there would be something farther up. But yes i am very new. I just started believeing 2 weeks ago and have turned my life around.
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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/9/2008 6:30:37 PM   
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That's wonderful, Ricky! As RC says the OT can be confusing/discouraging without a special mentor or some background. The book of Acts(in the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts of the apostles)is both encouraging and challenging. Welcome to your journey!

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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/9/2008 6:53:06 PM   
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As a christian ricky, you cannot only study one part of the scripture according to 2 timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. You have to get all scriptures on a subject before coming to a conclusion. and peter told us what the vision meant in versus 28 of the 10 chapter of acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/9/2008 6:56:41 PM   
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And it is a good thing you have chosen to learn about and Follow Christ.
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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/9/2008 7:14:35 PM   
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Well since you claim to be a Christian and not a practicing Jew I would suggest you study the New Testament (which is the owners manual for Christians) and not the Old Testament for what to do and not do.


hricky2,

I would suggest that you read the New Testament and the Old Testament which given together is the owner's manual for Christians. The passage in Acts to which RCJames referred is one of many in the New Testament passages that give us insights into the OT ceremonial Law; another great place to look is at the book of Galatians where Paul addresses the fallacy of adhering to the Law as a means of pleasing God. And while it is true that we need to study the New Testament to understand how the Old Testament applies to us today, it is also true that we need to study and learn the Old Testament to truly understand what is taught in the New Testament. Remember to read your New Testament too, but don't give up on the Old Testament because there truly are wonderful riches for the Christian to be discovered in both Testaments because it is all God's word.

May you be richly blessed in your studies.
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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/9/2008 8:16:30 PM   
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Thank you very much to all of you. I guess i do need to read new testiment along with my daily reading. I just didnt want to get confused from reading 2 diffrent chapters at once. But i will defintally spend time in both books. Thank you and bless you all. Like i said this is all new to me and i havent even read a book since i had to in high school. I thought reading was boring. But with my new found self i would rather read/ listen to music then watch tv. It was defintally a life changing experience for me.
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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/9/2008 8:49:06 PM   
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Do you have someone who can mentor you or help you with your new growth? I think having someone give guidance as to what to study and to answer questions would be very helpful.

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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/9/2008 10:32:58 PM   
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I agree with those who suggest reading both the Old and New Testaments. Much of the Old Testament is needed to fully understand the New Testament. I also agree with the suggestion of finding someone who can help you understand the Bible--maybe a good Bible study group.

Although reading the Bible through is a great thing to do, it is not really necessary that it be read sequentially. Some books you will find pretty hard going. One suggestion might be to vary where you are reading--one day read from the New Testament, the next the Old Testament (except Psalms and Proverbs), then read from the Psalms and Proverbs the third day in a sequence.

I also like to understand what was going on with the Israelites when a book or command was written. When the dietary instructions in Leviticus 11 were given, they were a nomadic people. It was not always possible to cook foods fully; eating pork or fish without scales (bottom feeders) that was not fully cooked could be fatal. Others of the restrictions had similar purposes. Some contend that following the dietary restrictions can actually improve your health; I've known a couple of people who have switched to kosher foods and dietary guidelines who have said they have a lot more energy eating a kosher diet. Every instruction in the Bible, Old or New Testament had a reason. Sometimes the reason still holds, so we should follow the guideline. Sometimes the reason no longer holds or not in the same way. It becomes something between you and God.
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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/9/2008 10:45:54 PM   
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Unfortuntally the only time i can ask question would be sunday when i go to service. Its a small church (20-30 people) and they dont offer an evening bible study. And i work evenings so i am unable to go on wednesdays.

I am usually able to answer most of my questions by reading here or over on christiananswers.net ..

Thankyou "creationtalk" i will try that study technique. Becuase i wil also be adding a few more books to daily reading I have
My Time with God: 15 Minute Devotions for the Entire Year by Thomas Nelson and Why Do We Believe? (Strengthening Your Faith in Christ) that i hope will answer and explain alot to me also..
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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/10/2008 7:51:22 AM   
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I suggest to the "Newies" that come to my Church to start with the Gospels in the New Testament, and then contnue on in the New Testament.

I feel the Holy Spirit put sufficient OT Scripture in the NT to backgrund what need to be backgrunded for newer Believers.

After the person is grounded in the NT then they can start linding the references in the OT to Christ and God's dealing with man during that time.

A lot of my pastor friends give me grief about my feeling on this, but I ask them if you are going to spread the Gospel and could have either the OT or the NT, but could not have both to do it with; which would you choose?

Now if the Newbie was a former practicing Jew it would be different.

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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/10/2008 11:32:54 AM   
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Some contend that following the dietary restrictions can actually improve your health; I've known a couple of people who have switched to kosher foods and dietary guidelines who have said they have a lot more energy eating a kosher diet.


good point! and they probably learned to open their mouth not as wide and not as often.

Like take my uncle Ari, for example,he was always keeping a strict kosher diet and was always tired. Once he reached 120 kilos ( 270 or so lbs), wised up and started to eat less – now a new man. Now he is full of energy. "Eat less" works magic -otherwise kosher diet is a bandaid to a a dead body.

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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/10/2008 2:25:11 PM   
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Unfortuntally the only time i can ask question would be sunday when i go to service. Its a small church (20-30 people) and they dont offer an evening bible study. And i work evenings so i am unable to go on wednesdays.

I am usually able to answer most of my questions by reading here or over on christiananswers.net ..

Thankyou "creationtalk" i will try that study technique. Becuase i wil also be adding a few more books to daily reading I have
My Time with God: 15 Minute Devotions for the Entire Year by Thomas Nelson and Why Do We Believe? (Strengthening Your Faith in Christ) that i hope will answer and explain alot to me also..


I am sorry so many people feel that they need to lead new believer's down thw garden path. Some have a great fear that the Lord did not provide people with the ability to understand His revelation. Also, it is unfortunate that many congregations do not provide time for discussion of the Scriptures, but prefer to focus on indoctrination.

Now, In saying these things, I am not saying anyone has any bad intentions. I hope you noticed in the book of Genesis and Exodus that people have a tendency to interpret things in a way that allows them to do what they want to do. Therefore, I suggest you continue to read through the historical books in order Genesis through II Chronicles. This gives one the basis for all of the other Scriptures. The histories of the Messiah(Jesus), Matthew through Acts can be read at the same time, but what is written there is based on an understanding of the previous writings. I would also suggest these books be read in order.

That said, when you get to Deuteronomy, Moses' farewell address, you will discover what I consider to be the biblical method for studying the Scriptures.

(Deut. 6:4-9) "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. Write them on the door frames of your houses and on your gates.

The Lord does trust us to understand word as we discuss it in context. Therefore, don't let anyone talk down to you. keep asking questions and when someone sends you to a verse here and a verse there be sure to check out the entire passage and compare it with what you have already read before coming to a conclusion and even continue to ask questions. Don't accept something just because someone says so or they can string together a series of verses out of context. That includes me.

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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/10/2008 2:47:43 PM   
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I am sorry so many people feel that they need to lead new believer's down thw garden path. Some have a great fear that the Lord did not provide people with the ability to understand His revelation. Also, it is unfortunate that many congregations do not provide time for discussion of the Scriptures, but prefer to focus on indoctrination.

Now, In saying these things, I am not saying anyone has any bad intentions. I hope you noticed in the book of Genesis and Exodus that people have a tendency to interpret things in a way that allows them to do what they want to do. Therefore, I suggest you continue to read through the historical books in order Genesis through II Chronicles. This gives one the basis for all of the other Scriptures. The histories of the Messiah(Jesus), Matthew through Acts can be read at the same time, but what is written there is based on an understanding of the previous writings. I would also suggest these books be read in order.


Reading the books of the bible "in order" is not a bad thing to do, but it is not necessarily the best or only way to study the bible. And as others have pointed out, the New Testament writings are as foundational for understanding the Old Testament writings as the Old Testament writings are foundational for understanding the New Testament.

On a side note: the order of the books is not even the same in every bible. Every copy of the OT in Hebrew, as well as modern English Messianic versions of the Bible, place II Chronicles at the end of the OT (following the original grouping of the OT books), so reading Genesis through II Chronicles could mean reading the entire OT depending on which version of the bible was picked up.
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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/10/2008 3:14:51 PM   
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I prefer reading the OT in chronological order, not in biblical order. That way things don't get so confusing when I start reading something that occurred earlier than something I've already read.

It does make me wonder why they're in the order they're in. I suppose they're grouped by genre (history, literary/psalms/proverbs, prophetic, etc), but it helps immensely to know that Job really occurred in Genesis and where the prophetic books fit into the scheme of history.

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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/10/2008 3:32:41 PM   
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I prefer reading the OT in chronological order, not in biblical order. That way things don't get so confusing when I start reading something that occurred earlier than something I've already read.

It does make me wonder why they're in the order they're in. I suppose they're grouped by genre (history, literary/psalms/proverbs, prophetic, etc), but it helps immensely to know that Job really occurred in Genesis and where the prophetic books fit into the scheme of history.



This is very similar to how I approach my studies. As an example, I find it helpful to study the prophets like Hosea, Isaiah, etc.. when studying the period in Kings and Chronicles in which these prophets ministered. Prophecies about the deliverance of Judah in the book of Hosea jump out at you when you see how God delivered Jerusalem during Hezekiah's reign as told in Kings, Chronicles, and Isaiah. When you study these things together it is much easier to understand how each of these books relates to the others.
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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/10/2008 3:56:50 PM   
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Reading the books of the bible "in order" is not a bad thing to do, but it is not necessarily the best or only way to study the bible. And as others have pointed out, the New Testament writings are as foundational for understanding the Old Testament writings as the Old Testament writings are foundational for understanding the New Testament.

On a side note: the order of the books is not even the same in every bible. Every copy of the OT in Hebrew, as well as modern English Messianic versions of the Bible, place II Chronicles at the end of the OT (following the original grouping of the OT books), so reading Genesis through II Chronicles could mean reading the entire OT depending on which version of the bible was picked up.


I presume a new believer who is reading the bible is reading one in the King James order since few people get a "messianic" version. Most of these versions are acquired by referal and the person refering can then advise that person. Also, I did say one could read the historic Apistolic writings. If one reads the historical books in chronological order they would be read in the order I suggested.

Yes, a person who is familiar with the Scriptures would recognize the various versions, but that is not my point. My point is that one needs to read the Scriptures in context and discuss it with an health scepticizm. We are all responsible for interpreting the Scriptures for ourselves. I do not believe Adonai wishes us to delegate that responsibility to "biblical scholars".

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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/10/2008 4:32:06 PM   
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If one reads the historical books in chronological order they would be read in the order I suggested.


Actually this is untrue regardless of the version of the bible you are reading. For example, most scholars believe that Job was the first book of the bible written and refers to the earliest period in history; if you accept Job as a historical account then it is not in order. 1 Samuel through 2 Kings is a parallel account of the history given in 1 & 2 Chronicles, and Ruth is contemporary with the Judges. Additionally there is a lot of historical information in the prophetic books that is contemporary with the accounts of Kings, Chronicles, Ezra, and Nehemiah. Reading the bible in Chronological order is much different than reading it in book order.

The point is, is that there is not an inspired order in which we must read and study the bible, and there are many differing and valuable ways to approach the study of the bible. My encouragement to every believer is to read some of the NT and some of the OT, and to do so in a systematic way that allows one to cover the entirety of God's word. Which system they choose is not something that we should dictate as a mandate for Christian living.
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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/10/2008 7:12:59 PM   
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If one reads the historical books in chronological order they would be read in the order I suggested.


Actually this is untrue regardless of the version of the bible you are reading. For example, most scholars believe that Job was the first book of the bible written and refers to the earliest period in history; if you accept Job as a historical account then it is not in order. 1 Samuel through 2 Kings is a parallel account of the history given in 1 & 2 Chronicles, and Ruth is contemporary with the Judges. Additionally there is a lot of historical information in the prophetic books that is contemporary with the accounts of Kings, Chronicles, Ezra, and Nehemiah. Reading the bible in Chronological order is much different than reading it in book order.

The point is, is that there is not an inspired order in which we must read and study the bible, and there are many differing and valuable ways to approach the study of the bible. My encouragement to every believer is to read some of the NT and some of the OT, and to do so in a systematic way that allows one to cover the entirety of God's word. Which system they choose is not something that we should dictate as a mandate for Christian living.


I am not looking for an arguement on how the KJV is arranged. I said the historical books. Job is generally considered a poetic book and the prophets are generally grouped by themselves. Ruth follows Judges, so unless one can read two books at exactly the same time, it is not possible to read them in historical order as you appear to propose.

I never said that there was an inspired order. Why is it that when someone suggests that the Tanach(old testiment) be recognized as the basis for the teachings in the Apistolic Writings(new testiment) it is presumed that one is trying to "dictate as a mandate for Christian living". However, when people take great pains to indoctrinate by quoting verses without context, that is seen as "discipleship" that is not to be questioned?

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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/10/2008 8:12:44 PM   
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Hricky,
Congratulations on having the desire to change your life...now the journey begins along with the warfare and you are heading in the right direction. Keep the faith and eat as you wish....just be obedient to the word, have faith and remember "faith without works is dead" (James 2:20 KJV) Blessings to you
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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/10/2008 9:09:40 PM   
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I am not looking for an arguement on how the KJV is arranged. I said the historical books. Job is generally considered a poetic book and the prophets are generally grouped by themselves. Ruth follows Judges, so unless one can read two books at exactly the same time, it is not possible to read them in historical order as you appear to propose.

I never said that there was an inspired order. Why is it that when someone suggests that the Tanach(old testiment) be recognized as the basis for the teachings in the Apistolic Writings(new testiment) it is presumed that one is trying to "dictate as a mandate for Christian living". However, when people take great pains to indoctrinate by quoting verses without context, that is seen as "discipleship" that is not to be questioned?


I have no issue with the idea "that the Tanach(old testament) be recognized as the basis for the teachings in the Apistolic Writings(new testament)"; however, it is equally important to realize that the Old Testament must be understood in light of the teachings of the New Testament. My objection was because you began your statement with "I am sorry so many people feel that they need to lead new believer's down the garden path." insinuating the advise others had given to include readings from the New Testament was some how wrong, and then followed with avocation that strongly suggested the books SHOULD be read in KJV book order starting with the OT.

I Love the Old Testament and I would never discourage anyone from reading or studying it because there is a wealth of riches to be uncovered within its pages, but it is important to remember that the Gospel message is revealed in the New Testament, and it is the Gospel message to which the Old Testament points and it is the Gospel message that reveals the heart of the Christianity. For this reason I do believe it would be a mistake for anyone to choose to ignore the New Testament until they had completed reading the Old Testament (even if such a reading was limited to just the "historical" books).


Sidenote: do you realize that a "Tanach" is an Old Testament ordered in the Hebrew book order i.e. The Law, The Prophets, and the writings. In Hebrew it is תנ"ך which is the abbreviation for these Hebrew sections of the bible Torah(תורה), Navi'im(נביאים), and K'tovim(וכתובים). It is an acronym like IBM which stands for "International Business Machines". So while you advocate that people read the bible in KJV book order, you refer them to an OT that is contains a completely different book order. As I pointed out earlier, the Tanach ends with Chronicles.
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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/11/2008 2:29:59 PM   
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I have no issue with the idea "that the Tanach(old testament) be recognized as the basis for the teachings in the Apistolic Writings(new testament)"; however, it is equally important to realize that the Old Testament must be understood in light of the teachings of the New Testament. My objection was because you began your statement with "I am sorry so many people feel that they need to lead new believer's down the garden path." insinuating the advise others had given to include readings from the New Testament was some how wrong, and then followed with avocation that strongly suggested the books SHOULD be read in KJV book order starting with the OT.

I Love the Old Testament and I would never discourage anyone from reading or studying it because there is a wealth of riches to be uncovered within its pages, but it is important to remember that the Gospel message is revealed in the New Testament, and it is the Gospel message to which the Old Testament points and it is the Gospel message that reveals the heart of the Christianity. For this reason I do believe it would be a mistake for anyone to choose to ignore the New Testament until they had completed reading the Old Testament (even if such a reading was limited to just the "historical" books).



I'm sorry if I was not perfectly clear. However, apart from my reference to the garden path of indoctrination using selected verses without context, there has not been one word of caution regarding the statements that imply that the Tanach(old testiment) be set aside in preference to the Apistolic Writings. If you read my post, you would see I stated that, "The histories of the Messiah(Jesus), Matthew through Acts can be read at the same time, but what is written there is based on an understanding of the previous writings. I would also suggest these books be read in order."

Now, if there is no problem with the Tanach(old testiment) being the basis for the Apistolic writings, what is wrong with encouraging someone to continue to read them as that one was doing anyway. Why must one walk on egg shells and repeat oneself to prove ones loyalty to the gospels? This is precisely what I was cautioning the OP about with regard to the study of the Scriptures. This belief that one must be indoctrinated into what some would consider the proper way of studying the Scriptures without regard to what the Scriptures themselves say about how it should be studied is, in my opinion, less than honorable.

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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/11/2008 3:34:19 PM   
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Its a small church (20-30 people)


Does your pastor invite you to ask questions? My pastor is available every morning from 7:30 to 8:30 for us to call with Bible questions. Any other time of the day we can leave a message and he calls back pretty rapidly.

If you call with a Bible question, does he return your call and try to explain things?

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RE: leviticus Chapter 11 - 11/11/2008 3:50:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: benelchi

Sidenote: do you realize that a "Tanach" is an Old Testament ordered in the Hebrew book order i.e. The Law, The Prophets, and the writings.


Are you aware that the term "old testiment" is found nowhere in the Scriptures in any language. Let's stop the nit picking and speak to the points being made.

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