RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 10:50:08 AM
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relady
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We just elected the most incompetent and inexperienced empty suit to the highest office. Hold on to your hat - I believe you are going to find out he is definitely NOT incompentent. I'll give you inexperienced just to be nice.
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 10:56:51 AM
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He's already committed two gaffes, one could be a major one with one of our biggest allies. That's incompetence there.
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 11:06:56 AM
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If the right could just learn that they might not come across so hateful. But see, I think they WANT to come across as hateful, so there ya go. I don't expect to see any change in rhetoric.
cc: Rambo Emmanuel
Dead fishes being mailed to his opponents
Steak knifes being driven into tables after saying an opponent's name and then shouting "Dead!"
Yeah, this makes as much as sense as the thread you abandoned about censoring the free-market.
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 11:14:42 AM
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Thats going to be Obamas motif to suite his agenda of Hate
I have yet to hear Obama say anything that could remotely be interpreted as hateful.
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 11:18:05 AM
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I have yet to hear Obama say anything that could remotely be interpreted as hateful.
1) Saying our troops were killing innocent people, etc...
2) Saying most Americans are ignorant and cling to their guns and religion..
3) Being a member of a racist and hateful church - saying that "pastor" was pivotal to his family, married him, baptized his kids, etc..
4) Being a close friend and associate to an unrepentant terrorist. Who shortly after 9/11 stated that his only regret was not having done more terrorist attacks.
Yeah, you're right.. keep listening to the mainstream media that is 100% pro-Obama and you will continue to not be made aware of the truth.
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 11:25:25 AM
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1) Innocent civilians have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan in friendly fire incidents, and other mistaken operations. It's been going on for years.
2) Obama never said "most Americans;" and furthermore, his statement was dead-on.
3) I assure you, Wright's church is not atypical of a lot of urban churches.
4) This is just a parroted lie. And whatever Ayres did in the 1960s, isn't much of a concern to me - that is, unless, Obama was right there alongside him, setting bombs as a kid.
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 11:26:56 AM
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John McCain was spared a Mondale like embarrassing defeat because of Sarah Palin.
Do you have any statistics on that or is it just your opinion?
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 11:48:29 AM
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I am neither afraid nor hateful towards Sarah Palin. I am certain that she loves her children, is faithful to her husband, and believes in Jesus Christ as per videos of her I have seen.
But her disastrous interview with Katie Couric and the reports emerging now of tensions between her side and McCain's advisers illustrate that she may well have done a disservice to John McCain. His campaign had to tell her to tone it down. She was inciting hatred - or do any of you really think that in some parts of America, to openly say that a man of color associates with terrorists is not possibly a prelude to a lynching?
Her comments were grossly irresponsible, thoughtless, and crude. I cannot imagine any responsible voter ever choosing a person of such low intellectual caliber to become the US president one day - and given that a Republican icon like General Colin Powell (who is not "sheltered" and who is not a liberal) openly stated she is not qualified for the VP's job is a damning enough indictment of the Alaskan governor.
Way to gossip and slander, Rich. You should be proud of yourself. "Tensions" between her "side" were anonymously made and are categorically unproven. Bill Ayers is an anti-American piece of terrorist trash and the Obamas love him and his kind.
Michele Obama whines, "Waaa... why are they trying to make people hate us.... waaaa". Well, if politics is that tough, maybe you should just take your ball and go home. Maybe if you and your husband weren't bitterly anti-American socialists who befriend radials and terrorists more people would want to have tea and crumpets with you.
Get over yourselves.
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 12:00:43 PM
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I am neither afraid nor hateful towards Sarah Palin. I am certain that she loves her children, is faithful to her husband, and believes in Jesus Christ as per videos of her I have seen.
But her disastrous interview with Katie Couric and the reports emerging now of tensions between her side and McCain's advisers illustrate that she may well have done a disservice to John McCain. His campaign had to tell her to tone it down. She was inciting hatred - or do any of you really think that in some parts of America, to openly say that a man of color associates with terrorists is not possibly a prelude to a lynching?
Her comments were grossly irresponsible, thoughtless, and crude. I cannot imagine any responsible voter ever choosing a person of such low intellectual caliber to become the US president one day - and given that a Republican icon like General Colin Powell (who is not "sheltered" and who is not a liberal) openly stated she is not qualified for the VP's job is a damning enough indictment of the Alaskan governor.
When you make the statement that you are not afraid nor hateful and then qulify it with a BUT, you are afraid of her and hateful toward her. If not, why continue posting garbage to try and discredit her once the election is over? Do you fear her for 2012? Or, are you an Alaskan trying to destroy her within the state?
She was not inciting hatred. She was not afraid to speak what needed to be spoken. Even now, the media who carried Obama to victory, are beginning to examine Obama. Wondering who he is. Looking at associations that should have been looked into well before the election.
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Facts do not always = truth. If the right could just learn that they might not come across so hateful. But see, I think they WANT to come across as hateful, so there ya go. I don't expect to see any change in rhetoric.
RElady,
You think this might have more to do with your perception than with how conservatives are communicating?
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 12:08:09 PM
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4) This is just a parroted lie. And whatever Ayres did in the 1960s, isn't much of a concern to me - that is, unless, Obama was right there alongside him, setting bombs as a kid
Todd,
Have you read Prairie Fire? Have Ayers and Doern's views changed since their 60's/70's conduct? While Obama may not have been with these radicals back in the day, they are a part of his circle of influence. Their manifesto was to overtake capitalism and American imperialism to bring about a communist state. Why is it that those of you who tout your "higher education" seem to lack critical thinking skills? That you only see how something impacts ME, MYSELF and I.
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 12:13:35 PM
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John McCain was spared a Mondale like embarrassing defeat because of Sarah Palin.
Do you have any statistics on that or is it just your opinion?
FreddieD
He didn't have the base before Palin.
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 12:14:18 PM
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1) Innocent civilians have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan in friendly fire incidents, and other mistaken operations. It's been going on for years.
Obama's context is that our soldiers are killing civilians on purpose.
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2) Obama never said "most Americans;" and furthermore, his statement was dead-on.
Most of America is small town. Since when it is wrong for a Christian to "cling" to his beliefs? He meant it in a completely belittling way and you know it.
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3) I assure you, Wright's church is not atypical of a lot of urban churches.
How do you know? I am in the city and was pastor of a inner-city (ghetto) church. It is typical of BLT churches.
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4) This is just a parroted lie. And whatever Ayres did in the 1960s, isn't much of a concern to me - that is, unless, Obama was right there alongside him, setting bombs as a kid.
He is unrepentant of his terrorism. Would you have such close business and personal relationships with unrepentant terrorists/killers?
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 12:22:13 PM
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What the truth can't be told in a campaign anymore? Sure it can. But like everything else, there's always a way to make it more or less destructive. And words poorly chosen can lead to awful consequences. I would say that Ms. Palin may have stated a factoid twisted to suit her or her campaign's agenda, but i would not say that she spoke the truth. Facts do not always = truth. If the right could just learn that they might not come across so hateful. But see, I think they WANT to come across as hateful, so there ya go. I don't expect to see any change in rhetoric.
Facts don't equal truth?!? Every English dictionary in existence disagrees with you.
fact: noun
1. something that actually exists; reality; truth
2. something known to exist or to have happened
3. knowledge or information based on real occurrences
4. a concept whose truth can be proved
This is just from the first four dictionaries I looked at.
I would say that Mr. Obama may have stated a factoid twisted to suit his or his campaign's agenda, but I would not say that he suually speaks the truth. Facts mean something that is true. Maybe if the left could just learn the definition of words like "hate", "lie", "fact", and "truth" they might not come across as unhinged illogical bleeding hearts. I think they WANT to come across as irrational, so there ya go. I don't expect to see any change in rhetoric.
Give me a break.
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 12:31:16 PM
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What the truth can't be told in a campaign anymore? Sure it can. But like everything else, there's always a way to make it more or less destructive. And words poorly chosen can lead to awful consequences. I would say that Ms. Palin may have stated a factoid twisted to suit her or her campaign's agenda, but i would not say that she spoke the truth. Facts do not always = truth. If the right could just learn that they might not come across so hateful. But see, I think they WANT to come across as hateful, so there ya go. I don't expect to see any change in rhetoric.
Facts don't equal truth?!? Every English dictionary in existence disagrees with you.
fact: noun
1. something that actually exists; reality; truth
2. something known to exist or to have happened
3. knowledge or information based on real occurrences
4. a concept whose truth can be proved
This is just from the first four dictionaries I looked at.
I would say that Mr. Obama may have stated a factoid twisted to suit his or his campaign's agenda, but I would not say that he suually speaks the truth. Facts mean something that is true. Maybe if the left could just learn the definition of words like "hate", "lie", "fact", and "truth" they might not come across as unhinged illogical bleeding hearts. I think they WANT to come across as irrational, so there ya go. I don't expect to see any change in rhetoric.
Give me a break.
Don't forget what the definition of "is" is. 
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 12:36:30 PM
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Thats going to be Obamas motif to suite his agenda of Hate
I have yet to hear Obama say anything that could remotely be interpreted as hateful.
Other than repeating "change" a few thousands times he hasn't said much... Of course his actions speak of hate... His support for abortion=hate and well his support for homosexuals=hate...
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 12:55:03 PM
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Richlp: Doesn't Sarah Palin, a church-going Christian who has read the Bible, know that words can have disastrous and destructive consequences - even the thoughtless and disconnected words Palin spoke while campaigning?
1. There was nothing she said that was not true.
2. White supremecists and extremists are not reasonable or logical or moral. They will find any excuse to threaten and hate someone else. That excuse could be a political rally or a holiday parade or a children's television show. Doesn't really matter. Are you saying that candidates should remain silent on the tough issues so as to not 'wake' the extremists?!?
3. The Secret Service... who? There are no real names attached to the story, so no way to corroborate it.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts on it.
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 1:39:31 PM
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This article isn't the easiest read. A few things jump out at me though:
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The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks.
Michelle Obama, the future First Lady, was so upset that she turned to her friend and campaign adviser Valerie Jarrett and said: "Why would they try to make people hate us?"
The SS didn't leak it to the press they warned the Obama family directly.
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Irate John McCain aides, who blame Mrs Palin for losing the election, claim Mrs Palin took it upon herself to question Mr Obama's patriotism, before the line of attack had been cleared by Mr McCain.
That claim is part of a campaign of targeted leaks designed to torpedo her ambitions, with claims that she did not know that Africawas a continent rather than a country.
The advisers have branded her a "diva" and a "whack job" and claimed that she did not know which other countries are in the North American Free Trade Area, (Canada and Mexico). They say she spent more than $150,000 on designer clothes, including $40,000 on her husband Todd and that she refused to prepare for the disastrous series of interviews with CBS's Katie Couric.
The only mention of leaks are from John McCain aids who allegedly (I see no proof of this in the article) are out to torpedo her political ambitions for screwing up the campaign.
Somewhere though I think I read the plot would have come to fruition except they weren't able to play "Helter Skelter" at one of the rallies. The alleged reason was the sound system was an ipod hooked into the sound board but since the Beatles haven't yet released any of their songs on iTunes no one else knew how to play a song any other way. You can look it up somewhere.
The thing with a black man being president is the Secret Service is going to have an awful lot of work on their hands. :( The efforts to stamp out racism while they have been successful at getting rid of what you can see aren't effective at dealing with the root of the problem which is man's sinful heart. I don't believe that the problem is Sarah's words anymore than I believe it was Paul's words that set off Manson.
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 1:46:01 PM
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Doesn't Sarah Palin, a church-going Christian who has read the Bible, know that words can have disastrous and destructive consequences -
Yes, she should have knonw better and refused to speak about things she had no knowleged or partial knowledge about, imo. But then again she has proved to me that just because a politician says they're a believer doesn't tell me anything about their spiritual maturity.
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 2:10:19 PM
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I can't believe the media and her haters can not leave the woman alone! The election is over! McCain and Palin lost, the Republicans pretty much lost the election and they can't stop hounding the woman??
Palin's detractors continue to criticize her even after the election is over, very interesting to me. Just goes to show how afraid they are of her.
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 2:51:38 PM
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er comments were grossly irresponsible, thoughtless, and crude. I cannot imagine any responsible voter ever choosing a person of such low intellectual caliber to become the US president one day - and given that a Republican icon like General Colin Powell (who is not "sheltered" and who is not a liberal) openly stated she is not qualified for the VP's job is a damning enough indictment of the Alaskan governor.
I find it so absurd that we have a President whose past associations were so pernicious that the mere mention of them is considered dangerous. Perhaps in the future, rather than blaming others for bringing up their past, candidates should either fully disclose their associations, or better yet, avoid working with terrorists and their allies.
Indeed, if the press had done it's job to begin with by properly vetting Obama and asking the tough questions, perhaps it would have been unneccesary for the McCain campaign to bring them up to begin with.
No campaign should have to hide the truth about their opponents to protect their safety, because elections are dependent on, if nothing else, knowing what is true about those running.
So I think the lefties can stop whining now; their guy is in, and there is no longer any need to defend his loathsome past associations.
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 3:32:32 PM
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I'd like to see a source for that. I'd have a hard time believing that this was the case at anything but the absolute smallest of Obama speeches (i.e. in a nursing home to a dozen people). Presidential campaign rallies are usually pretty big deals and live sound reinforcement providers generally send out their first string crew & gear. It's not unheard of for a modern pro-level speaker (just one box) to cost as much as a small car. Given the amount of gear usually present and the fact that there's almost always some sort of introductory music cue (with a guy on a comm system calling cues to the audio, video, and camera guys), I'm highly skeptical that there wasn't at least a cd player floating around somewhere.
Er, um, wait I know I read it somewhere, I think it was in my e-mail and I may have accidentally deleted it... ; )
That part about Helter Skelter I was joking about. I don't buy Sarah setting off a bunch of extremist whatevers anymore than I buy Paul McCartney setting off some extremist cult.
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RE: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over de... - 11/9/2008 3:37:11 PM
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Your link is broken.
I think the intention was to show it was disconnected 
The Republican vice presidential candidate attracted criticism for accusing Mr Obama of "palling around with terrorists", citing his association with the sixties radical William Ayers.
The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies,
Where did she lie... thats the question
First of all, even if a comment contains truth, it can be destructive.
Second of all, she exaggerated the truth and poked fun of Barack Obama's "associations" with William Ayers.
Third, if the Secret Service took this seriously, I think it shows Palin demonstrated bad judgment.
Shawn Hannity talked about it every night on Fox. Why aren't they going after him? What he said was worse. I doubt it was the Secret Service. It's probably the Obama campaign whining to the Secret Service. The Secret Service, I'm sure, was aware of all that was said during the entire campaign and anything endangering a candidate would have been stopped. The fact is, he is very good friends with a domestic terrorist who likes to walk on the flag and feels they didn't plant enough bombs back in the '60's.
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I'd like to see a source for that. I'd have a hard time believing that this was the case at anything but the absolute smallest of Obama speeches (i.e. in a nursing home to a dozen people). Presidential campaign rallies are usually pretty big deals and live sound reinforcement providers generally send out their first string crew & gear. It's not unheard of for a modern pro-level speaker (just one box) to cost as much as a small car. Given the amount of gear usually present and the fact that there's almost always some sort of introductory music cue (with a guy on a comm system calling cues to the audio, video, and camera guys), I'm highly skeptical that there wasn't at least a cd player floating around somewhere. 
