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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/9/2008 12:45:26 PM
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iluvatar
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Dan,
It sounds like you got some good instruction while growing up. It also sounds like you watch too much TV now that you are grown up and, probably, have not returned to your roots to understand why what you were taught works best.
Ok. And it's got nothing to do with the Republican party selling me a bill of goods for the last 13 years. 
I'm waiting to see how Obama works out, but my suspicion is that a president's success is not dependent so much what policies he espouses (although, that obviously is important), but his skills as a leader and an executive. I'd imagine that if I were to sit down with George W Bush and talk policy points, there would be a lot of things we agree on; that's probably even more true with John McCain. But George W Bush has proven himself to be a poor leader and a poor executive, and by looking at how he ran his campaign, I don't expect John McCain to be much better.
What good is it if you've got the right policy positions, but you don't know how to manage the organization you're in charge of? I'm interested in seeing if/how Obama can turn things around and then if Bobby Jindal is as good as everybody says he is, I'll give him a look in 4-8 years.
-Dan.
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/9/2008 1:31:15 PM
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Why McCain lost?
He wasn't really the candidate most Republicans wanted. Fox News, which controlled most of the primary debates, really dropped the ball by pushing some candidates (Giuliani) that did not have a solid base of supporters while demonizing Ron Paul, who did have a strong core. While I don't think Paul would have won, he would have driven the debate strongly to the right, which would have energized the conservative base (even though they wouldn't have voted for him). This would have helped to unify to GOP behind a candidate instead of the despair and disunity that I heard from most conservatives after McCain had sewed up the primary.
Secondly, McCain ran a pretty clean campaign. When you have the mainstream media so much in the pocket of the left, a conservative politican has to play dirty. Politics isn't pretty and McCain didn't want to throw mud and towards the end, when they tried, it came off as desperate and half-hearted.
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/9/2008 6:09:28 PM
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Because he listened to his advisors (many from other democratic hopefuls) too much, especially in the area of not letting Palin get out there and speak to America in her really wonderful style.
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/9/2008 7:45:28 PM
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All of your reasons are very good, except all of your reason can also apply to Obama, and yet he won.
iluvatar gave the best answer. People aren't that conservative and McCain is a moderate who tried to play the conservative. A game he was warned he would lose, because conservatives are impossible to please.
In politics you must be willing to compromise.
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/9/2008 8:33:59 PM
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especially in the area of not letting Palin get out there and speak to America in her really wonderful style
Amusing as most of your posts are, this is the funniest!
Palin, of course, is one of the main reasons McCain lost. He and she both admitted it, multiple polls and surveys across the political spectrum revealed it, and most honest political analysts admit it.
McCain deserved to lose because he is a sell-out socialist. Palin never deserved to be on the ticket in the first place.
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/9/2008 10:54:57 PM
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Palin, of course, is one of the main reasons McCain lost.
Wow, the liberal media already convinced everyone that this erroneous assertion is fact? That was fast.
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He and she both admitted it, multiple polls and surveys across the political spectrum revealed it, and most honest political analysts admit it.
Really? Can you link me the quote where Palin says that she lost the election for McCain? Can you link me to the quote where McCain said that he would have won if not for Palin? Can you link me to the polls that show the majority Republican voters who didn't vote for McCain because of Palin? Somehow 60,000 strong crowds and soaring approval ratings for Gov. Palin seem to contradict your made-up assertions.
You are peddling opinion as fact. Cowboy up and start using some intellectual honesty.
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McCain deserved to lose because he is a sell-out socialist. Palin never deserved to be on the ticket in the first place.
While I am glad that Gov. Palin was selected and introduced to the public, it is too bad it had to be with a weak candidate like John McCain. He is certainly Democrat-lite, though we did our best with what we had to get Obama defeated. I think John McCain is a sweet and kindhearted man, an American hero who sweats patriotism from every pore, but was a very poor representative for the base that could have defeated ultra-left socialist Obama with a better candidate.
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/9/2008 11:02:34 PM
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Because it is O.K. to hate Bush and it transcended over to McCain.
UMMM interesting It is O.K. to hate Bush but not O.K. to hate. 
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/10/2008 12:46:15 AM
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Bush personally blew up the WTC so he could start a war, purposely created Hurricane Katrina and aimed it at New Orleans, and is personally responsible for every undercooked steak you have eaten for the last 8 years. Oh, and he ripped all the "DO NOT REMOVE" tags off of each and every American mattress.
So you see, it is ok to hate him.
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/10/2008 12:54:34 AM
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the Republican party selling me a bill of goods
I can agree with this. The republican party is democrat-lite now. It has moved to far to the left and lost what made it great...conservatism.
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In politics you must be willing to compromise.
Absolutely 100% false. This is what democrats have to do to win, at least before Obama. McCain lost because he is a liberal-lite, a closet liberal, a compromiser who would not make definitive stands.
Its why Obama won. He did not move to the right. He stood his liberal ground and won because between a compromiser and a staunch believer in what he beleives, the believer will always win.
Clinton won becuase he lied to his base and they believed him.
Bush won because he was seen as moral, a stark contrast to the previous administration.
Obama won because McCain was not conservative. If anything this should energize the conservatives to move back to the right...where they belong.
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/10/2008 1:05:22 AM
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and is personally responsible for every undercooked steak you have eaten for the last 8 years.
Chalk one up for W. He is from Texas, it stands to reason that he would know that meat is supposed to be bloody.
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/10/2008 8:08:17 AM
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ekserekseez
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ManimalX:
Sorry if I hit a raw nerve. I'm just tired of watching "conservatives" who have no idea what the term actually means worship at Saint Sarah's Shrine of the Golden Moose.
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/10/2008 9:14:38 AM
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ManimalX
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ManimalX:
Sorry if I hit a raw nerve. I'm just tired of watching "conservatives" who have no idea what the term actually means worship at Saint Sarah's Shrine of the Golden Moose.
If that is your opinion, that is fine. Just don't hyperbolize it into "Sarah Palin lost the election for McCain". She probably kept the electoral map from being almost completely blue. That isn't "worship", it is just recognizing the fact that conservatives want a conservative representative.
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/10/2008 9:18:31 AM
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He lost because too many people in this country chose to believe that Obama was going to do something for "them personally" to improve their own personal standard of living.
I have always said there are two easy groups to con. Those who are greedy and those who are scared. Taking advantage of them is like taking candy from a baby.
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/10/2008 9:21:08 AM
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If that is your opinion, that is fine. Just don't hyperbolize it into "Sarah Palin lost the election for McCain". She probably kept the electoral map from being almost completely blue. That isn't "worship", it is just recognizing the fact that conservatives want a conservative representative.
A Rass. poll just showed that 65% of registured Reps. want to see her run for President next term. Speaking for myself and probably 99% of the Republicans that I associate with it was Sarah who helped us vote for McCain.
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/10/2008 9:22:35 AM
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Palin, of course, is one of the main reasons McCain lost. He and she both admitted it, multiple polls and surveys across the political spectrum revealed it, and most honest political analysts admit it.
Is it possible to be MORE than 100% wrong on something? Palin energized Republicans. The crowds she drew were huge. It's because she was able to be herself.
Answer me this. If she was so far out of her league and was such a negative on McCain's chances, then why is the socialst media STILL trying to destroy her even AFTER the election?
It's because they don't want her running in 2012
I have NO use for "Moderates"
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/10/2008 9:30:13 AM
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I'm not sure McCain lost due to McCain's failings [he certainly wasn't my favorite pick, so I'm not blindly biased towards him] as much as McCain lost due to Obama's 'promises'.
We live in a covetous society. Absolutely covetous. People want what others have without having to work as hard, or at all, for it. I have seen that ugly quality come out time and time again during this election, and it was blatant. It was in my face at work, on the street, in the media, everywhere I went. Socialism and welfare sound great to those who want to be financially equal without having to do as much. There were also many who voted solely based on skin color, which is shameful. It's no longer a time of 'Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country'. Those days are long gone and the masses do not care what is best for the country in the long term. They only care about what is best for them right now. McCain did not appeal to that crowd. Obama did.
Well, many are expecting Obama to put gas in their cars, put their kids through college, provide them with 'free' healthcare, a house, and a backyard. Good luck with that.
Lw9 GREAT POST!!!! You always say things so much better than I do. You nailed it honey!
I love the way you phrased this, "Socialism and welfare sound great to those who want to be financially equal without having to do as much. "
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/10/2008 9:55:07 AM
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ekserekseez
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I have NO use for "Moderates"
Neither do I. I have no use for progressives, or RINOs, or "social conservatives," or Democrats, or "values voters," or other flavors of socialists.
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RE: Reasons John McCain lost - 11/10/2008 1:58:12 PM
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Given the current state of affairs, it would have been difficult for ANY Republican to win this season, but McCain went out of his way to make sure he didnt.
From the tepid debate performances, to introducing, then muzzling Sarah Palin, to join in an ill conceived bailout, keeping pertinent issues such as Rev. Wright off the table.....
It's more like "Reason John McCain lost? Let me count the ways..."
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