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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/27/2008 1:40:21 PM
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raivyne
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From a dictionary standpoint, Protestant is defined as:
1. any Western Christian who is not an adherent of a Catholic, Anglican, or Eastern Church.
2. an adherent of any of those Christian bodies that separated from the Church of Rome during the Reformation, or of any group descended from them.
This was always my thought on the matter.
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a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth ; broadly : a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/27/2008 10:53:54 PM
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In addition, depending on your definition of "protestant", Pentecostal and Non-Denominational churches are also grouped in with Protestants. The only group that isn't Protestant is the Episcopal (Anglican) church.
From a dictionary standpoint, Protestant is defined as:
1. any Western Christian who is not an adherent of a Catholic, Anglican, or Eastern Church.
2. an adherent of any of those Christian bodies that separated from the Church of Rome during the Reformation, or of any group descended from them.
Lutherans, Presbyterians and more all find their roots directly in the Reformation, and are more closely associated with the term Protestant than Baptist churches.
Furthermore, your claim that Synods are different sects is patently false. A synod is a governmental body within a church denomination. In most cases, different synods within a single denomination have the same doctrinal beliefs and cannot be considered different sects because of that.
You can keep on reading you dictionary, but I know the synods are different in their beliefs. My BIL is an ECLA pastor and their grandfather is a Lutheran pastor Missouri synod. Their beliefs are different. To the extent the grandfather decided not to will his bibical matieral to the grandson because of the different churches and practices.
So you can believe as you wish or what you believe to be truth.
I also agree with ChrisOvery~ God is a Spirit and not a denomination.
So I will not aregue over something that is really irelevant
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/28/2008 8:16:20 AM
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I am amazed at the different responses to this question!
My understanding is that any Western, Christian church which does not submit to papal authority is a Protestant Church. This includes the Lutheran, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Methodist, and Anglican churches.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/28/2008 8:32:17 AM
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My understanding is that any Western, Christian church which does not submit to papal authority is a Protestant Church. So where do you fit Messianic Judiasm? It cannot rightly be classified a "western church."
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/28/2008 10:49:17 AM
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So where do you fit Messianic Judiasm? It cannot rightly be classified a "western church."
DaveW,
I do not know enough about Messianic Judaism to be in a position to 'classify' it in respect to the subject of this thread, and I wish no offence to Messianic Jews. All I can offer though, is that I am not alone in finding this difficult:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-07-29-messianic-jews_N.htm
I would be interested to know where you fit Messianic Judaism, though...
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/28/2008 11:09:05 AM
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paul warns us concerning denominations in 1 corinthians 1. i see a lot of posts from this man written book or that man written book. what does the word of god itself state. nothing good concerning denominations. we are also warned of this by paul in the book of romans.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/28/2008 11:45:41 AM
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Where I classify MJ is pre-orthodox. While we do not have an unbroken chain of MJ congregations back to the first century, (thanks in part to the Orthodox who declared us too Jewish and therefore heretical) the modern Messianic movement started with a couple of traditional rabbis reading the NT and coming to faith without contact to christian sources. BTW, that still happens occasionally today.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-07-29-messianic-jews_N.htm I was surprised to read there were Messianics in prison in Ohio. Usually Jewish prisoners are rare, MJs would be even rarer.
It seems no one wants to deal with us, or even has a clue how to.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/28/2008 11:47:57 AM
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paul warns us concerning denominations in 1 corinthians 1. You are reading "denomination" into the text which is adding to the Word - and that is forbidden.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/28/2008 10:00:37 PM
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what is the differance between divisions and denominations for one. and why do people state that they are baptist or catholic or pentecostal etc....
this is why paul stated what he stated about we belong to christ.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/28/2008 10:10:10 PM
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Wow, this is a lot of information. It will take me a week just to read through this discussion, lol.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/29/2008 7:36:42 AM
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Paul was addressing clicks and factions within a single congregation. A denominational difference is different.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/29/2008 8:41:50 AM
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i see. so because it was written to the corinthians then it is only for the corinthians and the romans for the romans. it was never actually stated for what we we see today. that is a garbage teaching davew and one that someone would receive at a semenary school. what is the differance in what they were doing and what we are doing today. it is all clicks and factions and mostly a huge lie. it is really nothing more that a whole lot of divisions.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/29/2008 2:37:23 PM
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While it was written to Corinth, I am in no way saying it should ONLY be applied to them. We can of course apply it to our congregations today.
HOWEVER, Corinth had one congregation under one set of flesh and blood leaders. The factions addressed all fell under that jurisdiction ad recognized it as such. If you try to apply that to a variety of denominations, who (currently living humans) do they all recognize as authoritative? No one.
That is why it is not as applicable to the current situation as you think.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/31/2008 8:51:01 AM
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well it disturbs me that something so unbiblical is made out o be biblical. here are some of the false teachings given from denominations. the first one will be from just about all of them.
1. our denomination or church is the only true one.
2. once saved always saved.
3. we are saved by baptism.
4. we are saved by how we dress or dont dress.
5. a seed of faith is money.
6. infants being baptized are saved.
7. the more you have the more faith you have.
this is just a few and all from different denominations. these are all very serious lies of theology that can turn a mans heart the wrong way.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/31/2008 3:07:49 PM
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Yeah - and I could triple your list. People left to their own devices surely mess things up. In Judges it says several times "There was no king in Israel, everyone did what was right in their own eyes." Not a good thing, as it usually precedes the whole country going down into sin and then opression.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 11/1/2008 12:15:06 AM
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 11/4/2008 5:43:45 PM
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I don't really know about all of this, but I do think that when Luther posted the 95 point thesis, he did make several good points. The catholic church of that time had grown quite corrupt in the way that they conducted themselves. So the original protest was based on truth and not on false doctine.
However, I do have to agree that the denominations that we see today are completely unscriptural, and generally like to point to what Paul wrote about divisions within the church in 1 Cor as evidence of him condemning divisions as carnal, and are not based in truth or the work of the Spirit.
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The only "denominations" listed anywhere in scripture were the 1st century Jewish denomimations (if you could really call them that) of Pharasee, Saduccee, Herodian, Zealots, and "The Way," aka "The Sect of the Nazorean." During the writing of the NT, christianity was considered a sect of Pharasaism. That started to change in 70 ad with the siege of Jerusalem and was completed in the 135 ad Bar Kochba revolt.
Like it or not, denominations are a fact of life on this fallen globe. We have to deal with it. To ignore it is to essentially believe a lie.
And it seems to me that false doctrines give rise to different denominations, not the other way around.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 11/4/2008 6:38:31 PM
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I don't really know about all of this, but I do think that when Luther posted the 95 point thesis, he did make several good points. The catholic church of that time had grown quite corrupt in the way that they conducted themselves. So the original protest was based on truth and not on false doctine.
However, I do have to agree that the denominations that we see today are completely unscriptural, and generally like to point to what Paul wrote about divisions within the church in 1 Cor as evidence of him condemning divisions as carnal, and are not based in truth or the work of the Spirit.
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The only "denominations" listed anywhere in scripture were the 1st century Jewish denomimations (if you could really call them that) of Pharasee, Saduccee, Herodian, Zealots, and "The Way," aka "The Sect of the Nazorean." During the writing of the NT, christianity was considered a sect of Pharasaism. That started to change in 70 ad with the siege of Jerusalem and was completed in the 135 ad Bar Kochba revolt.
Like it or not, denominations are a fact of life on this fallen globe. We have to deal with it. To ignore it is to essentially believe a lie.
And it seems to me that false doctrines give rise to different denominations, not the other way around.
I agree, not only that give one person a verse and then you will find a new church blooming! Oiy!
Everyone seems to forget (meaning Christians) that our agreeance is we all beleive in the 'works' of Christ.
God saved 'Us' from ourselves and sins through His Son.
Yet we allow all the doctrinal of churches that cause divisional differences.
To the extent that it actually divide families, something some ought to think about.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 11/4/2008 11:42:37 PM
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 11/5/2008 8:45:06 AM
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Are there any churches that broke off from the EOC like the traditionally protestant churches broke from the RCC? If so would they also be considered "protestant?"
I mentioned this thread in homegroup last night and our rabbi says he considers Messianic Judiasm to be the first "protestants," protesting and breaking from the Pharasees.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 11/5/2008 12:36:01 PM
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A Protestant is someone who is 'protesting' the Catholic Church and its teachings.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 11/5/2008 1:35:17 PM
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So what do you call someone who protests the Orthodox church?
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 11/5/2008 1:52:21 PM
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Are there any churches that broke off from the EOC like the traditionally protestant churches broke from the RCC? If so would they also be considered "protestant?"
I'm not 100% sure, but didnt the Coptic Church (traditionally thought to have been established by Mark and based in Alexandria, Egypt) break away from the EOC?
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 11/6/2008 7:45:00 AM
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I believe they are still considered part of the EOC.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 11/6/2008 9:39:55 PM
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I think, DaveW, that Protestant only refers to those who protest the Catholic Church. I don't know what you would call someone protesting another church - i assume you are referring to the Greek Orthodox Church. From what little I have seen of them on TV news and things - I would probably disagree with stuff from them too.
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