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RE: Going Green, good idea? - 10/31/2008 6:26:04 PM
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One thing I don't understand about why "getting off oil" or other fossil fuels is 'the environmentally correct thing to do".
Where did all that carbon in fossil fuels come from? Wasn't it extracted from the atmosphere by plants whenever they lived? So if it was okay in the atmoshpere then, why is it "bad" now? From what I understand about the carbon cycle, until man started burning fossil fuels there weren't any big sources of "new carbon" in the carbon cycle of life.
There were times in the past when it was much warmer on earth. But that doesn't mean it was more hospitable.
I think in all the commotion about global warming, the point is being missed that life will continue. It'll just change. Regarding human life, low-lying areas could be inundated with water, weather patterns in other areas could change and exacerbate strife through reduced access to such things as stable agriculture and fresh drinking water. Even here in the US, municipalities are planning on how to cope with a reduction in mountain runoff which is the source for a lot of fresh water in some areas.
-Dan.
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Well, I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones.
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RE: Going Green, good idea? - 10/31/2008 6:39:32 PM
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Getting off oil is not only the environmrentally correct thing to do - it stops the outflow of dollars to the Middle East and could create the foundation for a whole new generation of alternative energy technologies.
This is America's big chance to create millions of skilled jobs - something the current administration should have stated years ago.
The current administration has done far more than the prior administration. ANWAR came up repeatedly only to be rejected by the Senate. For some reason, many politicians (in both parties) seem to think all we need is "change" in the White House in order to fix everything. I remember a song from a Disney movie, "Fairy tales can come true, it can happen to you..."
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RE: Going Green, good idea? - 10/31/2008 6:43:01 PM
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Dubya
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It is actually not unproven, it is working as we speak (although in a not full production scale)and even at 1/3-1/2 the energy of what you get it is a far cry better than ehanol.
It's promising, but it's still in the testing phase.
This is from only a year ago: http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/30/magazines/fortune/Oil_from_stone.fortune/index.htm
Shell's freezewall test still ongoing.
-Dan.
Until just recently i worked with one of the engineers that is now on the R&D team that is answering the question which method yields the highest energy transfer and that is the last hurdle to jump, any one of the methods is profitable even at the prices we currently see they aim to maximize that.
Even at $60/BBL ? If that is true, that is great! I remember in the 70s ARCO and TOSCO were into shale oil research in Wyoming and Colorado but had to abandon those efforts when the price of oil dropped so dramatically in the 80s. It is good to know that the research has continued..
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