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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/31/2008 4:56:46 PM
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Lapidoth
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I do think body language is telling. I dont belive in NLP because that means someone is controlling your mind. And I dont give anyone the right to do that.. (((maybe others do, but not me))).
There are ways of brain-washing without being given the right to do so.
It happens everyday. The only thing that protects us from it is understanding
it and being aware of it.
Here's an instance of what I'm talking about.
You start off with your conversation with someone with:
"You left home jogging" That sets you up and then a few
other ditties just like it and wham! But those four words have
already brain-washed us. So subtle and so easy.
This has become a "code" for my study pal and I.
When we have trouble cyphering a passage we both say,
"I know there's something here, but I 'left home running.' "
Greetings
Lap ...have something that may be of interest for ya..
Have to install the player to play Islam Panel #3
http://jvmi.convio.net/site/PageServer?pagename=homepage&JServSessionIdr001=0ot3504qu3.app1a
My firefox wouldn't let me view it, so I'll have to take another route tomorrow.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/31/2008 4:59:32 PM
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Lapidoth
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but how could the people in the back see what he was doing in the front?
moniters?
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/31/2008 5:29:14 PM
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but how could the people in the back see what he was doing in the front?
moniters?
ok now you are guessing.. compare that to the people who dogmatically declared he did that on purpose and the poeple in the back saw him and went wooooooo!! now please, your grasping for straws!!! with your question mark there, you see you dont even know! but thanks for not dogmatically declaring somehting that you guessed on!
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/31/2008 9:21:14 PM
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There was a crowd in the front, probably larger than the small crowd on stage for the cameras.
The crowd behind Obama is so that viewers see people cheering for him and raising signs at appropriate times. All politicians do this. They a props.
It is the crowd in FRONT that is larger and the one that got the message and responded.
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0k i'l check the video later.
but tell me how did obama use a gesture in the front when the people were in back..
and if he watned to use a gesture shouldn't he have been in a different standing position? so all could see?
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/31/2008 9:44:32 PM
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TMeeks
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Have to install the player to play Islam Panel #3
http://jvmi.convio.net/site/PageServer?pagename=homepage&JServSessionIdr001=0ot3504qu3.app1a
Thank you!
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/31/2008 9:55:34 PM
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TMeeks
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People are so mesmerized by the big "O" that the proof in that video isn't an
issue with his followers.
This nation will be like that guy on the street if he gets elected.
They'll be wondering what in the world just happened. Our life is destroyed
and we gave him the keys to our houses and cars. "If we take care of him,
he will take care of us."
I want to thank you for starting this thread. The more I read, the more likely I believe it is that Obama IS most likely using Conversational Hypnosis and NLP in his speeches. The reason that I can't be absolute is that I have not read the original textbooks on the processes. However, I believe that the likelihood is so great and so dangerous that I probably will check out the basic textbooks on the subject.
At the very least, being able to go through the document to which you linked has given me sharper senses to watch out for the alerts that he is trying to manipulate. This will be useful if he does or does not win this particular election. For, even if he loses, he will try to use his influence to bring about the socialism that is at the root of his heart.
To me, the number of people that take off on tuesday will have great significance. It is a benchmark of his power and will be referred to time and time again as proof of his 'mandate'. It will also create an inseparable link between him (the commander) and those that decide to obey him (the commanded) by giving them a stake in the outcome in a very special way. It will not be as usual, where one votes and waits to see what happens. The vote is extended into an active vigil. I will be checking those places that I can to see the percentage of those that don't show up at work on Tuesday. It will be very interesting.
At any rate, we all owe you a debt of gratitude! 
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/31/2008 9:58:07 PM
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They may have at least some small monitors. But, the people in the back were late to catch up, so only a few caught it and explained it to the others that asked. All the people in the back to Obama's left knew was that something caused the crowd to react.
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but how could the people in the back see what he was doing in the front?
moniters?
< Message edited by TMeeks -- 10/31/2008 10:19:53 PM >
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/31/2008 10:08:29 PM
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This is the very same event. So, that pretty much confirms that his symbolism was intentional and NOT an accident. The more we see, the more is confirmed. Thanks for this one.
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Evidently the flip off wasn't the only time he dissed Hillary in a similar manner.
Obama's Jay-Z brush off
by Frank James
Has everything been said already about Sen. Barack Obama's visual reference to rap star and pop icon Jay-Z's hit from a few years back, "Dirt Off Your Shoulder?" That's never stopped us before.
A lot of people on the Internet believe the gesture Obama used last week in a campaign appearance the day after the Philadelphia debate (no, not the middle-finger thing) when he literally and dramatically brushed the metaphorical dirt in the form of Sen. Hillary Clinton's many charges against him, from his shoulder was a straight out of Jay Z's video for the rap song from the rapper's "Black Album." (Warning: Language many will find objectionable.)
On the one hand, it's somewhat mind-blowing that the man who could be the Democratic presidential nominee and perhaps president is so up on pop culture that he would "quote" a Jay-Z video like that.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/31/2008 10:15:56 PM
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I'm not guessing. I KNOW it was on purpose now that I've seen a second version from another angle that includes some additonal blatant symbolism.
As for the crowd's reaction, all we have to do is to compare the two versions, taken from different camera angles and you will see one or two in the back that 'got it' immediately and talked about it to their neighbors. The ones to Obama's left, missed it entirely.
Original footage
Goto to frame 0:21 / 0.50
Obama's Jay-Z brush off
Go to frame 1:20 / 5:05
Notice the people to Obamas left never get it. But, the guy to Obama's right was able to see the gesture and immediately reacted to his own right by passing on what he saw to his neighbor.
In other words. those who saw the gesture IMMEDIATELY knew what it was about. There is NO question about that.
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but how could the people in the back see what he was doing in the front?
moniters?
ok now you are guessing.. compare that to the people who dogmatically declared he did that on purpose and the poeple in the back saw him and went wooooooo!! now please, your grasping for straws!!! with your question mark there, you see you dont even know! but thanks for not dogmatically declaring somehting that you guessed on!
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/31/2008 10:39:11 PM
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I'm not guessing. I KNOW it was on purpose now that I've seen a second version from another angle that includes some additonal blatant symbolism.
Aren't you glad to know a classy, mature guy like this will be representing the US of A in potentially life and death situations? 
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 11/1/2008 8:39:55 AM
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A fraud is a fraud and no matter how slick they are, they eventually show it. This entire speech showed a lack of class that is appalling. When a person believes that they can control people with techniques, and more and more I believe that he thinks that, then they become ever more blatant in their attempts.
I heard that he made a statement that not paying more taxes was selfish. I haven't seen it. But, I do plan to look for a video so that I can track HOW it was said. There are two targets for such a statement. The first might be those who are being called on to pay more taxes. But, the second is more insidious. That is the group that would benefit by more affluent people paying more taxes while they do not. It tells this group that those economically above them that appose more taxes are only doing so because they are selfish and, thus, evil. This, potentially, makes them an enemy of the underclass and eventually a target of the underclass.
If Obama LOSES, this provides a climate for civil unrest.
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I'm not guessing. I KNOW it was on purpose now that I've seen a second version from another angle that includes some additonal blatant symbolism.
Aren't you glad to know a classy, mature guy like this will be representing the US of A in potentially life and death situations?
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 11/1/2008 9:09:13 AM
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If it were just thing the Obamessiah has been accused of, I could understand why some might support him, but when you put all the evidence together and add it up.........(!) There was Jeremiah Wright, the Catholic priest, Tony Rezko, Bill Ayers and the "community organizing" racket, Khalidi, the "spread the wealth," now the possible hypnotism thing. Where are people's senses who can still support him? To my way of thinking, the only ones who can still SERIOUSLY support him are socialists.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 11/1/2008 9:16:10 AM
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the only ones who can still SERIOUSLY support him are socialists.
After reading many of the posts by Obama suporters in this forum, they are socialists. They don't like to call themselves socialists. They prefer other terms like progressives, centrists, and the like. But, there have been a few that admit they see nothing wrong with socialism.
To me, it's an inability to see beyond self. They profess to be looking out for others, but they want the government to do it with other peoples money. Everything in their decision about who to vote for ultimately comes down to how is this going to affect ME.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 11/1/2008 2:09:52 PM
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After having read most of the informatioon about Obama and Conversational Hypnosis, checking out previous speeches and then watching a live feed from an Obama rally today, I can see quite clearly that certain words are linked to very specific and unusual gestures.
I can also see that he uses a series of NUMBERS to wear down the logical checking of the conscious so that a normally ILLOGICAL conclusion can be inserted directly into the sub-conscious.
There are consistent and repeated patterns that bear out, exactly, the contentions in the document linked at the beginning of this thread.
I am so thankful that this thread is here.
Whether or not Obama win or loses, this information is going to be very, very valuable in watching him in the future. If he loses, it is going to be very, very nasty. Count on it.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 11/1/2008 3:41:17 PM
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A fraud is a fraud and no matter how slick they are, they eventually show it. This entire speech showed a lack of class that is appalling. When a person believes that they can control people with techniques, and more and more I believe that he thinks that, then they become ever more blatant in their attempts.
I heard that he made a statement that not paying more taxes was selfish. I haven't seen it. But, I do plan to look for a video so that I can track HOW it was said. There are two targets for such a statement. The first might be those who are being called on to pay more taxes. But, the second is more insidious. That is the group that would benefit by more affluent people paying more taxes while they do not. It tells this group that those economically above them that appose more taxes are only doing so because they are selfish and, thus, evil. This, potentially, makes them an enemy of the underclass and eventually a target of the underclass.
If Obama LOSES, this provides a climate for civil unrest.
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
I'm not guessing. I KNOW it was on purpose now that I've seen a second version from another angle that includes some additonal blatant symbolism.
Aren't you glad to know a classy, mature guy like this will be representing the US of A in potentially life and death situations?
Greetings,
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This entire speech showed a lack of class that is appalling.
His words and his demeanor just has no life in it... just dead rhetorical words... from anger.
Genesis 4:6-7
6 So the Lord said to Cain, "Why are you angry? And why has your “countenance fallen”…?
Perhaps Sarah Palin may have something to do with it…..but John McCain is glowing (jumping) in the Spirit of the Lord = (High Energy!) ...I can see it in his eyes.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 11/2/2008 6:40:25 PM
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You nailed it!
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the only ones who can still SERIOUSLY support him are socialists.
After reading many of the posts by Obama suporters in this forum, they are socialists. They don't like to call themselves socialists. They prefer other terms like progressives, centrists, and the like. But, there have been a few that admit they see nothing wrong with socialism.
To me, it's an inability to see beyond self. They profess to be looking out for others, but they want the government to do it with other peoples money. Everything in their decision about who to vote for ultimately comes down to how is this going to affect ME.
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 11/2/2008 7:20:27 PM
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Aw, you guys are all just jealous.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 11/2/2008 7:24:34 PM
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Aw, you guys are all just jealous.
Naw. If Obama wins I can quit working, stay home and watch TV all day and get a check from the government. My house will not be taken from me if I don't pay the mortgage, me and my kids will be fed and get medical care. I'll have no worries. Everything will be fine..... 
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 11/2/2008 7:33:56 PM
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oh hey since i've read this topic, I've been watching the body language of the candidates.
they showed a debate between Obama and Hillary Clinton and yes they did exchange a copule of snide remarks, so im tending to think that PERHAPS Obama MIGHT have made a little subconscious gesture with his middle finger there the other day..
Also I noticed Mccain brushed his face as he spoke ,, it was real quick.. do you think mccain was using some kind of hypno technique in that?
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 11/2/2008 10:13:54 PM
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In pursuit of learning more about the whole topic of NLP and Conversational Hypnosis, I decided to find a book on the topic from which to start without any link to Obama. There are many books on the subject; but, it's rare to find one in the stores. Most are either out of print or have to be special ordered.
But, after going to two different book stores I managed to find a book, at Borders, titled "Teach Yourself NLP" by Steve Bavaster & Amanda Vickers. It's a paperback and costs $12.95. The goal is to see if an off-the-shelf book on the subject mirrors the description of the process that was presented in the document linked in the OP.
Since this particular book deals with using NLP for one's self, it didn't seem to mesh until I got to page 95 where it started talking about ANCHORS. An ANCHOR is anything that triggers an automatic response in us. They give the example of a police car siren which causes most of us to slow down automatically. It further talks of creating anchors by imparting meaning to special cues. This is precisely what the paper has attributed to Obama with his unique hand positions that relate to certain words and phrases. It talks about Tony Robbins uses this to get his seminar attendees to firewalk. Interesting.
There is more to come. But, especially if Obama becomes our president, it will be well worth our while to understand these techniques and how they might be used, unethically, to control at least part of the populace.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 11/3/2008 9:44:01 AM
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Hmmm...which finger would you use to scratch your face?
whichever finger has the nail i have not bitten off yet (i still do that fingernail biting)
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