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RE: What was the worst sermon you've ever heard? - 10/24/2008 12:28:23 PM
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DaveW
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Luke 5:1-7
Kenneth Copeland explained that the reason the net broke was because Peter had already washed up all his good nets, so Peter not wanting to wash his nets again threw a rotten one over the side, just to appease Jesus, and that was the reason his net broke... because it was rotten. Sounds like the teaching may have been more rotten than the nets.....
That is pure speculation.
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RE: What was the worst sermon you've ever heard? - 10/24/2008 1:40:58 PM
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Luke 5:1-7
Kenneth Copeland explained that the reason the net broke was because Peter had already washed up all his good nets, so Peter not wanting to wash his nets again threw a rotten one over the side, just to appease Jesus, and that was the reason his net broke... because it was rotten.
I can't really remember if KC had a reason for the other ships almost sinking for all the fish, but maybe they were rotten too.
I remember that one too.
How did you guys manage to listen to him long enough to get those details? I just don't have that much tolerance.
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RE: What was the worst sermon you've ever heard? - 10/24/2008 2:11:49 PM
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Luke 5:1-7
Kenneth Copeland explained that the reason the net broke was because Peter had already washed up all his good nets, so Peter not wanting to wash his nets again threw a rotten one over the side, just to appease Jesus, and that was the reason his net broke... because it was rotten.
I can't really remember if KC had a reason for the other ships almost sinking for all the fish, but maybe they were rotten too.
I remember that one too.
How did you guys manage to listen to him long enough to get those details? I just don't have that much tolerance.
ROFL.............That was my "pre-TRUTH" years.
The TRUTH has set me free............now I have zero tolerance for him.
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RE: What was the worst sermon you've ever heard? - 10/24/2008 3:51:04 PM
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I remember hearing about a sermon where the preacher lambasted the Israelites for not going up the mountain with Moses. He must not have read where God commanded the Israelites not to touch the mountain or they would be put to death.
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RE: What was the worst sermon you've ever heard? - 10/24/2008 4:04:25 PM
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ORIGINAL: benelchi
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
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Luke 5:1-7
Kenneth Copeland explained that the reason the net broke was because Peter had already washed up all his good nets, so Peter not wanting to wash his nets again threw a rotten one over the side, just to appease Jesus, and that was the reason his net broke... because it was rotten.
I can't really remember if KC had a reason for the other ships almost sinking for all the fish, but maybe they were rotten too.
I remember that one too.
How did you guys manage to listen to him long enough to get those details? I just don't have that much tolerance.
Gee once and awhile you have to laugh in life. I like it better when his wife(Gloria) said that they wer flying in a plane and kenneth told a storm they were going to fun into. to move out of the way in which it obeyed his words. You know like when Jesus rebuked the storm one night.
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RE: What was the worst sermon you've ever heard? - 10/24/2008 9:52:06 PM
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I remember one I heard from Kenneth Copeland around this past Easter. It was Sunday night after church and I was trying to fine something to watch, so I stopped at the channel he was on. I hadn't heard him in a long time, so I thought I'd see what he had to say.
He went on about how Jesus suffered in hell for three days while his body was in the tomb. He was dramatic. Talking about all the demons of hell and Satan himself torturing him. But right before he was resurrected, the light of God strengthened him and up he came all powerful taking the literal keys of death, hell, and the grave from Satan and then was resurrected.
He started shouting over and over again, "He's got the keys! He's got the keys!
The place went absolutely wild. A lot of entertainment value but he didn't quote one passage of Scripture....just let his emotions and imagination fly.
And I couldn't change the channel fast enough.
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RE: What was the worst sermon you've ever heard? - 10/26/2008 2:55:22 AM
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Okay, this is a little out of date.... but I will briefly answer these two that I left hanging...quote:
I heard the 'shem' thing before Copeland et al used it. Many biblical scholars believe Melchisedek was a "theophany" or Christophany," a pre-incarnation visit of Jesus to earth. (also the first angel that visited Abraham and Sarah along with the 2 that destroyed Sodom, the angel that wrestled Jacob, the warrior who addressed Joshua, etc.) Very true, Dave. I don't deny the various Christophanies of the Old Testament (as a rule, the Angel of the Lord was most likely a pre-incarnate Christ). However, just as there are many Biblical Scholars that believe that Melchizadek was Jesus, there are many Biblical Scholars that believe that Melchizadek was a man. To that effect, I have solidified in my own heart that debating the identity of Melchizadek is to completely lose both the message and the intended effect of the Hebrews 5-7 passage. My personal opinion (for a laundry list of reasons) is that Melchizadek was a man.quote:
Adam, but Noah's son Shem? Hewas saying somthing that is as always not in the bible. Unless he found a book like the history channel did and stretched it to fit the story.
Speaking of the History channel. They had on last Sunday I believe the lost books of the bible. They started off with Jesus doing a demon removal story and trying to put the story with a book found with Solomon as the author according to them. The problem with that they took the story and removed some of the words that are found in Luke11.
Like they said that it was written The Queen of the South came to Solomon and now one greater than Solomon is here. Skipping the middle part of what Jesus said. Mcleod...
Issue 1) (aka, the on topic one) Melchizadek is a mystery. If God had strong opinions on the matter, He would have been clearer about it in the Bible. Not to mention that according to John Wesley's commentary on the Bible, the idea that Melchizadek is Shem is actually Rabbinic tradition. So I wouldn't say it is too far out there... remember that Noah lived for 100 years after the flood, even though he was already 600 at the time of the flood. Yikes.
Issue 2) What the History channel does is there business. Considering their leary view of all religion, their poor use of recognized scripture doesn't surprise me much.quote:
I remember one I heard from Kenneth Copeland around this past Easter. It was Sunday night after church and I was trying to fine something to watch, so I stopped at the channel he was on. I hadn't heard him in a long time, so I thought I'd see what he had to say.
He went on about how Jesus suffered in hell for three days while his body was in the tomb. He was dramatic. Talking about all the demons of hell and Satan himself torturing him. But right before he was resurrected, the light of God strengthened him and up he came all powerful taking the literal keys of death, hell, and the grave from Satan and then was resurrected.
He started shouting over and over again, "He's got the keys! He's got the keys!
The place went absolutely wild. A lot of entertainment value but he didn't quote one passage of Scripture....just let his emotions and imagination fly.
And I couldn't change the channel fast enough. Ah, the wild imagings of extra-biblical scenario creation...
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RE: What was the worst sermon you've ever heard? - 10/26/2008 3:46:18 AM
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
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ORIGINAL: Angie_K
Luke 5:1-7
Kenneth Copeland explained that the reason the net broke was because Peter had already washed up all his good nets, so Peter not wanting to wash his nets again threw a rotten one over the side, just to appease Jesus, and that was the reason his net broke... because it was rotten.
I can't really remember if KC had a reason for the other ships almost sinking for all the fish, but maybe they were rotten too.
I remember that one too.
How did you guys manage to listen to him long enough to get those details? I just don't have that much tolerance.
Gee once and awhile you have to laugh in life. I like it better when his wife(Gloria) said that they wer flying in a plane and kenneth told a storm they were going to fun into. to move out of the way in which it obeyed his words. You know like when Jesus rebuked the storm one night.
James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. 17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. 18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
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RE: What was the worst sermon you've ever heard? - 10/26/2008 8:12:05 AM
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Hey, I'd like to not turn this into a debate, please. If you want to discuss one particular sermon, start another thread. Thanks!
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RE: What was the worst sermon you've ever heard? - 10/26/2008 9:32:40 AM
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Hey, I'd like to not turn this into a debate, please. If you want to discuss one particular sermon, start another thread. Thanks!
sorry, not trying to debate, just posting another reference to the weather being changed
worst sermons?
I have heard a few, won't name the denominations, though they were mainstream, or the preachers.
in the 90's used to attend a church, where the pastor would have sudden outbursts of rage. remember one in particular, I used to get up early and make a run to different stores to collect food for the poor, and deliver it to the church, the woman in charge decided to put some pastry products in the foyer for people who were in need to take home on Sundays. I picked up the poor with the church van, I guess some kids decided to eat before service and got some crumbs in the foyer or on the carpet, during this pastors sermon, he got enraged and started hollering at the assembly, if we did not do things his way we all could go home, he didn't want crumbs in the carpet, years later I understand why he may have had his outbursts, he even admited from the pu;pet, he was called to be an evangelist and not a pastor, he was an evangelist at a large church, and caused a split, taking many with him, without the blessing of his prior pastor.
recently (2008) was attending a church, went through their membership classes, and the day came for the interview with an associate pastor there, I told him I believe in eternal security, he turned red in the face, got enraged and told me I could not join that is the doctrine of demons.  , so I ended the meeting and went home, of course he did not ask me my definition of eternal security, nor do I believe he paid attention to his own churches doctrine. I decided to return and not quit going to that church, if that is where the Lord would have me be for the time, then I would be willing to get over it. the very next Sunday, he gave the announcements, I actually heard him say with his words, that he and the lead pastor was on an early morning walk, and the Lord revealed to him, "how much God worships us", this was mainstream folks, in all honesty the lead pastor there is a Godly man, the associate pastor has since moved on. had the associate pastor said God loved us greatly, I could have agreed, but he used the word "worshipped us" 
and again I won't mention the denominations, they were both different, and considered mainstream, I enjoy visiting different denominations, will attend a new one today, as I have relocated, and this one is different than the other two.
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