|
Users viewing this topic:
none
|
|
Login  | |
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 10:43:36 AM
|
|
|
agapetos
Posts: 5563
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: This side of the lil duck pond!
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: doinkdom
quote:
ORIGINAL: agapetos
What is good, here, is that many companies are now making products with free range eggs, instead of using eggs from caged birds.
I've seen that disclaimer on a few products here in health food stores, but not the regular grocery stores.
That's interesting... Hellmann's mayo is one of the companies I was thinking of. One of the major supermarkets is now advertising it's fresh egg noodles is made with free range eggs ~ and probably other products too, I just noticed that the other day!
_____________________________
I could give up chocolate ~ but I'm no quitter!
My blog
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 10:46:55 AM
|
|
|
doinkdom
Posts: 4319
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: The higher lowcountry
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: agapetos
quote:
ORIGINAL: doinkdom
quote:
ORIGINAL: agapetos
What is good, here, is that many companies are now making products with free range eggs, instead of using eggs from caged birds.
I've seen that disclaimer on a few products here in health food stores, but not the regular grocery stores.
That's interesting... Hellmann's mayo is one of the companies I was thinking of. One of the major supermarkets is now advertising it's fresh egg noodles is made with free range eggs ~ and probably other products too, I just noticed that the other day!
ahh...I use Duke's but I may try Hellman's (we have Hellman's at work).
I'll have to pay more attention at the grocery store now...thanks!
_____________________________
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 10:54:30 AM
|
|
|
agapetos
Posts: 5563
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: This side of the lil duck pond!
Status: offline
|
quote:
I may try Hellman's (we have Hellman's at work). You may want to check into whether Hellmann's there uses free range.
There were a couple of programmes earlier this year (or late last year) which were aimed at highlighting how chickens were kept. At one point someone from Hellmann's was interviewed and announced that their mayo would be free range ~ and it states this on the label now. I checked the Hellmann's US site out and couldn't see that it says this.
_____________________________
I could give up chocolate ~ but I'm no quitter!
My blog
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 10:56:05 AM
|
|
|
doinkdom
Posts: 4319
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: The higher lowcountry
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: agapetos
quote:
I may try Hellman's (we have Hellman's at work). You may want to check into whether Hellmann's there uses free range.
There were a couple of programmes earlier this year (or late last year) which were aimed at highlighting how chickens were kept. At one point someone from Hellmann's was interviewed and announced that their mayo would be free range ~ and it states this on the label now. I checked the Hellmann's US site out and couldn't see that it says this.
ah ha! I'll definitely check first before buying.
_____________________________
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 10:58:36 AM
|
|
|
doinkdom
Posts: 4319
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: The higher lowcountry
Status: offline
|
I just read the label off the jar we have in the fridge here at work and it doesn't mention anything about free range...it does however, have a big ole NASCAR promotion on it. 
I'll have to check the other jars at the store.
_____________________________
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 11:02:58 AM
|
|
|
agapetos
Posts: 5563
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: This side of the lil duck pond!
Status: offline
|
quote:
it does however, have a big ole NASCAR promotion on it. LOL!
You may want to email them. Their site simply lists the ingredients and 'eggs' and 'egg yolks' and I couldn't see anything about it in the FAQ. I was going to email them but they wanted an addy, and wasn't sure whether they'd respond (helpfully) to someone in the UK.
_____________________________
I could give up chocolate ~ but I'm no quitter!
My blog
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 11:05:14 AM
|
|
|
ta_mosquito
Posts: 11455
Joined: 3/31/2005
From: from MN, now in Ontario :D
Status: offline
|
MODERATOR'S NOTE :: ATTENTION PLEASE
I've deleted several posts for being off topic or disruptive. Please stick to topic.
Thanks!
Tricia
Forums Moderator
Please do not reply to this message within the forums or chat.
Please email Community@salemwebnetwork.com with questions, comments, or concerns.
Please do not send me PMs regarding this message.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 11:14:09 AM
|
|
|
ultimathule
Posts: 13
Joined: 10/16/2008
Status: offline
|
I believe free range is probably the best answer. I also think america should move more to deer farms and whatnot to consume deer as the national meat rather than beef. In australia there is a big movement to use kangaroo.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 11:15:50 AM
|
|
|
doinkdom
Posts: 4319
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: The higher lowcountry
Status: offline
|
I found this article regarding Hellmann's and if you click on the comments, one of them gives their opinion as to why the US has not changed.
Not sure I agree with it, but in this day of technicalities and doing only the minimum...it's probably correct.
_____________________________
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 11:38:56 AM
|
|
|
agapetos
Posts: 5563
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: This side of the lil duck pond!
Status: offline
|
That's interesting. Seems that you don't differentiate between caged chickens and barn chickens, while we do.
_____________________________
I could give up chocolate ~ but I'm no quitter!
My blog
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 11:53:52 AM
|
|
|
doinkdom
Posts: 4319
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: The higher lowcountry
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: StephK
Doinkdom, I just discovered Dukes, there is no going back to Hellmann's. 
amen!
_____________________________
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 12:55:34 PM
|
|
|
manda59
Posts: 6187
Joined: 9/22/2005
From: Hampshire, UK
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: rcjames
There are two reasons for caging chickens, one is to control what they eat (to keep the flavor of eggs consistant), and the second is to keep down on disease.
Actually the main reason for caging them is so that they don't move around and burn up any energy, which for broilers means they put on more weight more quickly, and for layers means they lay more eggs. They feed layers so intensively, give them light at nighttime through the winter months to keep them laying, and basically the hens lay their guts out in the first year, and then the battery farmer gets rid of them. A hen only has a certain number of eggs it can lay in its lifetime, and the more intensively it is farmed, the more it lays in a shorter space of time. A less intensively farmed (ie free range or even barn reared) hen will lay the same number of eggs over a longer period of time, whereas battery hens are usually practically "egged out" by the end of their first season.
quote:
Free range chickens walk in, peck in, and eat their poop
Well, in over 20 years of keeping chickens I have *never* seen any eat their faeces. In fact, they have a natural aversion to eating anything that is the same colour as their faeces.
quote:
this brings about the increased chance of infection and disease to the chicken (both externally and internally) and subsequently to the consumer of those free rangers.
Free range birds are the healthiest ever. Far healthier than those kept in cages.
Some years ago, I purchased some former battery (caged) laying hens from a local farm. This farm would use them for one season and then sell them on. I wanted to weep when I saw them. Pale anaemic combs, mostly bald, couldn't walk straight and upright but had a kind of crouching pose as they walked. And they squinted and turned their heads away slightly as they saw natural light for the first time in their lives. I put them in a house and run on their own, to keep them separate from my own hens, who were big, strong, confident, healthy birds.
For the first few days the new birds were pale, skinny, sickly-looking and scared. But then one by one they discovered the joys of scratching around for food (interesting that that instinct was still there, even though they'd never ever seen it modelled or done so themselves) and also dust baths. Chickens *need* to be able to take dust baths to keep them free of mites - the ph of the soil neutralises their skin and makes it less palatable to parasites. And gradually their feathers grew bath, and gradually their combs got redder, and gradually they became more confident and just generally "happy". And then they started to lay again.
I kept them for a year, and then sent them to a "retirement home"  , a local children's farm, where they could scratch around the yard and fields till their days were done.
I currently just have 3 hens, two we bought as point of lay pullets and one which turned up in a neighbour's garden (and she asked me to catch it and take it away as she was scared of birds!). They have a small ark and the run of our small garden. 
I'd rather go without than eat non free-range eggs.
_____________________________
"Manda is right"
mvic, January 2009
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 1:09:49 PM
|
|
|
ffbruce
Posts: 271
Joined: 10/14/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: ultimathule
I believe free range is probably the best answer. I also think america should move more to deer farms and whatnot to consume deer as the national meat rather than beef. In australia there is a big movement to use kangaroo.
I'm honestly not sure what good that would do.
However, all around where I live, there is an over-population of deer. Obviously this leads to lots of other problems. Maybe we could just sell more deer tags to hunters.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 1:47:37 PM
|
|
|
doinkdom
Posts: 4319
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: The higher lowcountry
Status: offline
|
most excellent post manda!
Do you think you'll always keep hens around your yard? My granny does, even though she's always fussing at them to stop eating her flowers .
_____________________________
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 1:58:23 PM
|
|
|
Sideways
Posts: 3944
Joined: 4/12/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: ffbruce
However, all around where I live, there is an over-population of deer. Obviously this leads to lots of other problems. Maybe we could just sell more deer tags to hunters.
Many, many moons ago my dad was a Park Ranger. He did not love hunting, but he did it to provide meat for his family. We had plenty of deer, too. If dad knew of a family that was in genuine danger of starving, then he'd shoot a deer regardless of season, but he was extremely careful about that sort of thing.
_____________________________
This warranty does not include shark bites, bear attacks and children under five.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 2:09:23 PM
|
|
|
Mrs.X
Posts: 2947
Joined: 7/7/2005
From: Newberg, OR
Status: offline
|
Did any of you ever see the video Pamela Anderson put out about KFC's chickens? You can see it at KentuckyFriedCruelty.com . She's a big animal rights activist now. Good for her.
_____________________________
-Stina
From Sweet Grass to the Packin' House
A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger. -Proverbs 15:1
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 2:12:34 PM
|
|
|
PaleHawkWoman
Posts: 645
Joined: 7/14/2005
Status: offline
|
Lets put it this way- did God put chickens in cages? No. Ours "free-range" in the barnyard, garden, and yard. Their meat is lean and tasty, their eggs much higher in quality and texture, and they are much healthier than caged fowl because they are eating bugs, seeds, grasses, and grains like God intended, not processed laying mash full of meat by-products and cotton-seed hulls and other fillers. Nor are they fed antibiotics and growth hormones. Neither are our cattle fed stuff God didn't make. They eat grass, and forage for acorns and persimmons in the fall up in the woods. The difference can be tasted in their meat and milk.
Pigs cannot be allowed to free-range because they have a tendency to go wild and are dangerous to wildlife, domestic animals, and humans, but neither should they be confined in small pens. A large pen for a single hog or a large lot for several (we usually had 25 sows and their pigs on a 2-acre lot) can work.
The average backyard could support 4-6 hens for eggs and a goat for milk if there weren't laws prohibiting keeping livestock in non-rural areas. Since people in cities keep pigeons in roof-top coops, why not chickens? Chickens are definitely cleaner than pigeons! Most suburban yards can hold a decent garden and a few fruit trees. Lush lawns are nice but rather inedible.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 3:21:33 PM
|
|
|
doinkdom
Posts: 4319
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: The higher lowcountry
Status: offline
|
We never had chickens at my house - only at my grandparent's ranch and farm, but we did have two ducks.
They were great pets. They left their pen (large and used to protect them from hawks and larger predators) each morning and walked the perimeter of the yard. They would crawl up in your lap and stretch their wings and neck along yours so you could pet them...they were just sweet, sweet ducks - half mallard and half white farm duck.
But...they also laid eggs as they got a lil older and those were the BEST eggs ever! Huge eggs (woudl probably be considered XXL in a grocery store ), full and very vibrant colored yolks and they were fabulous in baked goods. We got one egg a day from each duck (obviously both females) and would use them as we needed.
_____________________________
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 3:27:57 PM
|
|
|
rcjames
Posts: 5782
Joined: 7/15/2005
From: Oklahoma
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: agapetos
Problem is, that when too many of anything is crammed together, disease spreads far more quickly than when given room to spread out.
I'm not sure how health it is to have dead birds in cages rotting next to live birds because they haven't been noticed and removed.
That is the one of the reasons for caging; so that the animals are not crammed together and aid in the spread of infection and disease.
Thanks
RC
_____________________________
Just a country Preacher's humble opinion
Read the first chapter of my latest book here;
http://www.deliveranceofsara.com
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Is "Free Range" better or worse for us? - 10/16/2008 3:34:08 PM
|
|
|
manda59
Posts: 6187
Joined: 9/22/2005
From: Hampshire, UK
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: rcjames
That is the one of the reasons for caging; so that the animals are not crammed together and aid in the spread of infection and disease.
I don't know what cages you have other there, but here in the UK battery cages are not even big enough for the chicken to turn around, or stand up straight. And the next chicken's cage is right next to it. Not physically touching, but definitely close enough for the spread of infection/disease.
_____________________________
"Manda is right"
mvic, January 2009
|
|
|
|
 New Messages |
 No New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/ New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/o New Messages |
 Locked w/ New Messages |
 Locked w/o New Messages |
|
 Post New Thread
Reply to Message
Post New Poll
Submit Vote
Delete My Own Post
Delete My Own Thread
Rate Posts |
|
|
Forum Tools
Printable Version
