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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/19/2008 7:23:45 PM
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I too believe in evolution, I just don't believe it's by accident. See, the bible teaches that for God, a day is like a thousand years. I see the days of Genesis 1 as periods of time, rather than as one single day.
I'm awfully tired of seeing that Scripture being taken out of its given context and being applied elsewhere . . .
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Another way that I look at it is God can see everything from beginning to end. So He could have created the universe all in 6 days, but it took billions of years for it all to develop.
Not according to Genesis. If He created it in 6 days, as Genesis stated, then all the animals were alive and well within those 6 days.
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This can be very difficult to explain. I can look at an individual life, and see how that individual life evolves throughout it's life. A human starts as an embryo, becomes an infant, then a toddler, a child, then preteen to a teen, to a young adult, to a middle aged adult, to a senior citizen. With each stage comes new challenges, different health issues, and maturity levels. Different species have gone through different stages as well.
We are not talking about stages in species. We are talking about the BEGINNING of LIFE.
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 12:16:09 AM
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It is not what you believe that saves you, it is in Whom you believe. It is Christ that saves us and it is Christ who then leads us into all truth.
Why a Christian would want to cut the legs out from under one who is seeking to be free is beyond me. Education is no replacement for the mind of Christ, that is obvious.
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How can one believe in Christ and deny His word?
How can one believe in His Word and deny Christ?
Jesus Christ is the Word. It is Jesus Christ who opens our understanding of the truth. Faith must precede knowledge.
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A denial of something clearly spelled out isn't simply a matter of knowledge...
You presume to think something permanent that would in all likelihood be only temporary, perhaps the pour soul will never know now? Touche'. Well done.
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I have seen folks on this forum speaking of being a Christian for years and deny Creation, flood and other clearly spelled out truth of the bible...
It's not about creationism or evolution, it's about not making yourself a stumbling block to others. It is Christ who will lead them to all truth, without Him, the rest means nothing.
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 12:24:54 AM
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It is not what you believe that saves you, it is in Whom you believe. It is Christ that saves us and it is Christ who then leads us into all truth.
Why a Christian would want to cut the legs out from under one who is seeking to be free is beyond me. Education is no replacement for the mind of Christ, that is obvious.
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How can one believe in Christ and deny His word?
How can one believe in His Word and deny Christ?
Jesus Christ is the Word. It is Jesus Christ who opens our understanding of the truth. Faith must precede knowledge.
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A denial of something clearly spelled out isn't simply a matter of knowledge...
You presume to think something permanent that would in all likelihood be only temporary, perhaps the pour soul will never know now? Touche'. Well done.
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I have seen folks on this forum speaking of being a Christian for years and deny Creation, flood and other clearly spelled out truth of the bible...
It's not about creationism or evolution, it's about not making yourself a stumbling block to others. It is Christ who will lead them to all truth, without Him, the rest means nothing.
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To not believe His word is to not believe in Him...
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 12:41:19 AM
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It is not what you believe that saves you, it is in Whom you believe. It is Christ that saves us and it is Christ who then leads us into all truth.
Why a Christian would want to cut the legs out from under one who is seeking to be free is beyond me. Education is no replacement for the mind of Christ, that is obvious.
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How can one believe in Christ and deny His word?
How can one believe in His Word and deny Christ?
Jesus Christ is the Word. It is Jesus Christ who opens our understanding of the truth. Faith must precede knowledge.
Peace
A denial of something clearly spelled out isn't simply a matter of knowledge...
You presume to think something permanent that would in all likelihood be only temporary, perhaps the pour soul will never know now? Touche'. Well done.
Peace
I have seen folks on this forum speaking of being a Christian for years and deny Creation, flood and other clearly spelled out truth of the bible...
It's not about creationism or evolution, it's about not making yourself a stumbling block to others. It is Christ who will lead them to all truth, without Him, the rest means nothing.
Peace
To not believe His word is to not believe in Him...
Without Him Who is the Living Word, everything else is meaningless. It all points to Him. It is not what, it is in Whom you believe.
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 2:13:50 AM
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Without Him Who is the Living Word, everything else is meaningless. It all points to Him. It is not what, it is in Whom you believe.
Yes, His word points to Him... Saying it's not true is a denial of the very thing one claims to believe.
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 9:02:21 AM
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Without Him Who is the Living Word, everything else is meaningless. It all points to Him. It is not what, it is in Whom you believe.
Yes, His word points to Him... Saying it's not true is a denial of the very thing one claims to believe.
Then why do you deny it's truth? His Word says that the full gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. It also says that to preach any other gospel than that is to be forever condemned.
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 10:05:14 AM
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Throughout the old tesament, all men were spiritually dead according to the book of Romans. This does not mean that we did not have a spirit; it means that our spirit was dead, that we were seperated from God. Believers from the Old Testament were still believers, and they were able to communicate with God because they believed and obeyed.
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God's image is spiritual, it cannot be seen. We have the image of God if we are born again, because we have His spirit living within us.
So it's OK to kill unbelievers? After all, it's only because men are made in God's image that we aren't supposed to kill them. Genesis 9:6.
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 10:36:35 AM
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Throughout the old tesament, all men were spiritually dead according to the book of Romans. This does not mean that we did not have a spirit; it means that our spirit was dead, that we were seperated from God. Believers from the Old Testament were still believers, and they were able to communicate with God because they believed and obeyed.
That doesn't answer my question. You said that only those who are born again, who have the Holy Spirit in them, have the image of God. I pointed out that the reason murder is wrong is because it destroys something made in God's image. That would mean, according to you, it is only wrong to murder people who have the Holy Spirit in them.
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 11:14:18 AM
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I'm not sure why I'm posting this. I'm kind of a lost soul right now and i'm trying to find my place in the world. I feel like I want to embrace Christianity because its so positive and uplifting. I've been considering going to a church sometime soon.
Falling, I understand how you feel. I once felt that very same way until I encountered the Lord of All that is, the great I AM.
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The problem is that I believe in evolution and not creationism.
Falling, you aren't specific enough here. If you don't believe that God created the heavens and the earth, that is "problem" as you say. But it is not a problem that cannot be remedied or corrected. I had all kinds of problems in my thinking prior to my life in Christ. Gradually He is teaching His truth to me. However, since I am not yet perfect, there are still wrong ways of thinking that must be corrected. This is part of His pruning process.
Another thing, which you may want to study later on at some point, is that Christians do not all agree on this subject of evolution. However, since the Scriptures say that we were created in the image of God, we need to understand that Darwinists who think we evolved from apes are opposing the Christian faith. We never looked like or descended from apes. They are a separate specis altogether. Humans are the only creation of God that can think rationally, have intelligence, express and feel emotion, and understand the concept of "eternity."
Christians are expected to believe that "all things were created through Him." But as to how that occured and the timing of these events, there may be differing opinions. It is when we deny that God is the Author of the universe and the Creator of all flesh that we are standing on shaky ground.
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That being said, I do believe in a God and a heaven.
Fallen, this is a great start. You are further ahead than I was at one time! I prayed for many months to what I thought might be thin air. Having been raised in an atheist/agnostic home, I didn't even know if God existed. So I cried out asking Him to reveal Himself to me. And praise His Holy Name, He did!
Take one step at a time. Jesus is God Incarnate. He came to this earth, took on flesh, was born of the Virgin Mary, and came to reveal God to us. He lived a sinless, perfect life in order to be the perfect sacrifice, the Lamb of God, for humanity. And here is a good place to begin:"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him will not perish, but have everlasting life." St. John 3:16
God bless you on your journey. May you discover the life that is waiting for you in Jesus Christ.
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 11:26:02 AM
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If you read the first chapter of Genesis, it is obvious that God was giving Moses the story of creation in a way that He and the people of Israel could understand it. They did not understand the world or the universe the way we do today. From the smallest atom and the laws of nature that goven it, to the universe and the way that the laws of nature governs it. It all points to an intelligent design and a plan. He started with chaos, and developed laws of nature to begin to bring order out of chaos. But how could He explain all this to Moses and the people of Israel in a way that they could understand it? Their scope of understanding of the laws of nature were primitive, just as our scope and understanding is still primitive compared to His knowledge of the universe. It is through creation that we know Him, and how He reveals Himself to us, even if He has the ability to work outside of the laws of nature, because He is beyond nature.
God reveals knowledge in increments, just as He revealed Himself to the world in increments. The more we learn about this universe, the more we learn about God. The more we learn about creation, the more questions we have about it, and it's designer. The complexity of it all is beyond our scope to understand. The fact that we learn more and more about it is evidence of His willingness to reveal the secrets of the universe, as well as more about Himself. As we learn about the universe we learn how wonderfully made it is, and we learn more about how powerful and intelligent and intricate He is. It gives us more reason to worship Him as we come to understand these complexities, and the effort that He put into creating us and this universe so that He could have a relationship with us. Remember that everything was created for His enjoyment, and ours; not to mention all the intricacies point to how intricately He planned for us. When you close your mind to this, you miss out on this knowledge of who He is, and thereby miss more of Him and just how complex He is.
If you want to choose to live like this, then that's okay. I would rather choose to investigate everything that I can about Him through His word and the universe and how deep His love for us that He would go through to all this trouble to provide a home for us. For me, it is just one more demonstration of how much He loves us.
With what I've written in mind, I want you to open your bible to genesis chapter 1. This is the evidence that I use in order to prove that He this account was an attempt to reveal to Israel the creation in a way that they can understand. Notice on the 3rd day that God created the grass, the plants, the trees, and the herbs. We know that the life of plants is seasonal yes? Well, look ahead to the 4th day. On the 4th day, he created the lights in the sky. (sun, moon, and stars). Since He was bringing order to chaos, His approach would have been logical, but this is not in logical order. The plants need the sun light in order to grow. Without sunlight, plantlife would die out. It wasn't until the 4th day that seasons came along. This is illogical. Now not everything that God does is logical to man, but He created nature to function logically. So why would He reveal it in an illogical order if He wasn't trying to just give the people the knowledge that He created it all in a way that they could understand it? With the primitive knowledge of their understanding, they could not understand everything that we do today about how plants grow, and how the cycle of life works. Like how plants create oxygen for animals to breathe, and animals create carbon dioxide for plants to breathe. It is a symbiotic relationship, but how could they ever understand that.
As for man being created in God's image, it is our spirit that is in His image. He is able to make us spiritually alive, or in other words the ability to live in relationship with Him. It is faith that makes us spiritually alive, and nothing else. It's like saying that if He is alive in our minds and hearts, if He exists to us, He is willing to reveal Himself to us. For those who refuse to acknowledge His existence, how can they live in a relationship with Him? Why would or should He reveal Himself to someone who doesn't believe that He is and that He is who He says He is.
I never at any point in any of my posts said that we evolved from apes, because I don't believe we did. We are a seperate species from apes. But as a species, we have evolved over thousands of years, both in knowledge and understanding, as well as physically. We are a unique species in that we have a relationship with God, as well as the knowledge of good and evil. Apes do not have that knowledge, and can only behave the way that God designed them to. We have an ability to think around corners or to reason, to imagine, and to be self aware, all things that no other species has. We can sit in a corner of a room and imagine what we look like from another corner of that room. No other species has that ability; we are unique in that way. Another way we are created in His image is that we understand logic, and this is a side effect of living in relationship with God, who is also logical. It is another form of His image that other animals do not have. They act on instinct, and so do many of us. The difference is that we can stop living by instinct if we choose to believe in Him and live in relationship with Him.
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 11:42:32 AM
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Without Him Who is the Living Word, everything else is meaningless. It all points to Him. It is not what, it is in Whom you believe.
Yes, His word points to Him... Saying it's not true is a denial of the very thing one claims to believe.
Then why do you deny it's truth? His Word says that the full gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. It also says that to preach any other gospel than that is to be forever condemned.
Peace
If creation isn't true it's all a lie...
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 11:50:07 AM
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Bravjim,
Not a bad post at all. Quite a bit to respond to, but overall, I must agree with what you have said. I too, thought about the illogical sequences of creation in Genesis. And yes, as scientific knowledge of our universe grows, it reveals more about God's creation. True science never contradicts our faith. Rather, it compliments our faith and even reveals deeper truths as to the nature of this vast universe.
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 12:08:59 PM
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Without Him Who is the Living Word, everything else is meaningless. It all points to Him. It is not what, it is in Whom you believe.
Yes, His word points to Him... Saying it's not true is a denial of the very thing one claims to believe.
Then why do you deny it's truth? His Word says that the full gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. It also says that to preach any other gospel than that is to be forever condemned.
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If creation isn't true it's all a lie...
Like I said, you don't want to explore the truth about the universe, then you cannot learn any more of God. There is much absolute truth in what we've learned in science, and to think that what He revealed to the Israelis in a way that they could understand it when they did not understand many of these truths that we do is to close your mind to who He is. I at no point say that creation isn't true. Instead, I point to God's revealing Himself in a way that people can understand. The bible states quite clearly that He reveals Himself through the creation. The more we understand nature, the more of Him we understand. With your attitude, you will never be able to help others who understand the way the universe works into a relationship with Him, because they will never be able to accept what the account in Genesis says is based on the truth. It was for an ancient people who's understanding of the universe was filled with inaccuracy. To close your mind to what is being revealed is to close your mind to the continued revelation of who God is.
I would also like to point out that the gospel that Paul preached was hid in God until He was ready to reveal it. Israel was unwilling to accept it because it was out of line with the law of Moses. By not accepting new revelations, you are placing yourself in the same place as the legalists that Paul warned against. They refused Paul's doctrine of receiving grace through faith, wanting to hold on to the law instead.
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 12:17:58 PM
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Without Him Who is the Living Word, everything else is meaningless. It all points to Him. It is not what, it is in Whom you believe.
Yes, His word points to Him... Saying it's not true is a denial of the very thing one claims to believe.
Then why do you deny it's truth? His Word says that the full gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. It also says that to preach any other gospel than that is to be forever condemned.
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If creation isn't true it's all a lie...
Like I said, you don't want to explore the truth about the universe, then you cannot learn any more of God. There is much absolute truth in what we've learned in science, and to think that what He revealed to the Israelis in a way that they could understand it when they did not understand many of these truths that we do is to close your mind to who He is. I at no point say that creation isn't true. Instead, I point to God's revealing Himself in a way that people can understand. The bible states quite clearly that He reveals Himself through the creation. The more we understand nature, the more of Him we understand. With your attitude, you will never be able to help others who understand the way the universe works into a relationship with Him, because they will never be able to accept what the account in Genesis says is based on the truth. It was for an ancient people who's understanding of the universe was filled with inaccuracy. To close your mind to what is being revealed is to close your mind to the continued revelation of who God is.
That would explain why Mr. Sagan had such a profound belief and knowledge of God...
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 12:20:13 PM
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Who is Mr. Sagan?
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 1:43:58 PM
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Without Him Who is the Living Word, everything else is meaningless. It all points to Him. It is not what, it is in Whom you believe.
Yes, His word points to Him... Saying it's not true is a denial of the very thing one claims to believe.
Then why do you deny it's truth? His Word says that the full gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. It also says that to preach any other gospel than that is to be forever condemned.
Peace
If creation isn't true it's all a lie...
There is no mention of creation in the gospel. To add to the gospel that belief in creationism is a requirement for salvation is to present another gospel.
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 2:31:43 PM
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Without Him Who is the Living Word, everything else is meaningless. It all points to Him. It is not what, it is in Whom you believe.
Yes, His word points to Him... Saying it's not true is a denial of the very thing one claims to believe.
Then why do you deny it's truth? His Word says that the full gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. It also says that to preach any other gospel than that is to be forever condemned.
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If creation isn't true it's all a lie...
There is no mention of creation in the gospel. To add to the gospel that belief in creationism is a requirement for salvation is to present another gospel.
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That is not what I'm saying at all. The point was just as God hid the gospel that Paul preached, which was hidden from man until God revealed it to Paul, there are things that man discovers through science that reveals who God is because the universe is a reflection of who God is . (See Romans and how God made Himself known to man through what was created)
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 4:43:27 PM
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I'm not sure why I'm posting this. I'm kind of a lost soul right now and i'm trying to find my place in the world. I feel like I want to embrace Christianity because its so positive and uplifting. I've been considering going to a church sometime soon.
The problem is that I believe in evolution and not creationism. That being said, I do believe in a God and a heaven.
Will this be a problem if I want to embrace Christianity?
Christianity is all about faith.  Faith in what? Evolution or creation! Faith in the fact that you are a sinner and that Christ came to earth 2000 years ago to die for your sins on the cross so that by believing in His name you may be saved. You also must believe that this Christ who died for you on the cross was buried and is alive today interceding for you before the mighty throne of God in heaven. How do I know all this? I can`t take you back 2000 years to prove all this to you. I wish I could but the problem is non of us can go back in time. So I can only tell you what my Bible teaches me about God. From there on it`s up to you to either believe or not believe. So it is with creation. The Bible tells us that the same Jesus who died for your sins is also the creator of all things. Col.1:16 tells us "For by Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by Him and for Him."
Again I can`t take you back to the beginning to prove to you that Col.1:17 is true. "He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together." So all I can do is tell you what the Bible teaches. Then it`s up to you to believe it or not to believe it. The problem is that if you can not believe as a Christian that God created the world because the Bible teaches it, you will have many doubts about whether or not the story about Christ dieing in your place for your sins on the cross is really true or just another fantasy. The reason is both the crucifixion, burial and resurrection, and the story of creation are all based on the authenticity of the Word of God, the Bible. If you try to accept one by faith but not the other you will soon begin to doubt the truth of the one you believed in. So may I re-phrase your question. Is it even possible to fully trust and believe any of the teachings of the Bible and still reject one major part of it`s story?
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 5:52:12 PM
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There is no mention of creation in the gospel. To add to the gospel that belief in creationism is a requirement for salvation is to present another gospel.
We are given God's word... You can pretend it's simply the Gospels but I don't... Removing creation from His word is an issue, let alone the idea that God is a liar...
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 6:14:16 PM
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There is no mention of creation in the gospel. To add to the gospel that belief in creationism is a requirement for salvation is to present another gospel.
We are given God's word... You can pretend it's simply the Gospels but I don't... Removing creation from His word is an issue, let alone the idea that God is a liar...
Adding creationism to the Gospel is another Gospel, you can pretend that it isn't, but I don't.
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 6:40:10 PM
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There is no mention of creation in the gospel. To add to the gospel that belief in creationism is a requirement for salvation is to present another gospel.
We are given God's word... You can pretend it's simply the Gospels but I don't... Removing creation from His word is an issue, let alone the idea that God is a liar...
Adding creationism to the Gospel is another Gospel, you can pretend that it isn't, but I don't.
Peace
Since the Creator is in the Gospel you have quite the dilemma... So actually you are wrong when you say creation isn't there...
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 7:49:49 PM
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Oh now this is truly frightening. I am agreeing with SoveriegnisHe. But he is right and some of you are wrong. I found at least 4 references to the creation in Mark alone. And several other mentioned in the New Testament. How does one say it is not there when it is in fact talked about.
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RE: Is It possible to believe in God if you don't belie... - 10/20/2008 11:35:05 PM
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There is no mention of creation in the gospel. To add to the gospel that belief in creationism is a requirement for salvation is to present another gospel.
We are given God's word... You can pretend it's simply the Gospels but I don't... Removing creation from His word is an issue, let alone the idea that God is a liar...
Adding creationism to the Gospel is another Gospel, you can pretend that it isn't, but I don't.
Peace
Since the Creator is in the Gospel you have quite the dilemma... So actually you are wrong when you say creation isn't there...
What is wrong is to make yourself a stumbling block to others. Your continued attempts to trip me up only serves to prove that to be so. Anything God blesses as an expression of Himself, He curses when it becomes a substitute for Himself. It is not what we believe that saves us, it is in Whom we believe.
You have the last word, enjoy.
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