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RE: Change is Coming??? (Based on a "sermon" ... - 11/23/2008 1:54:15 AM
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Dragonnie
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yes, change is coming, and it does have to do with the Second coming.
i don't know when or how fast things will change, but those who keep the commandments in the moral Law of Moses will not taste of the wrath nor receive of the plagues:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
more on this in my blog, posts # 25, 26, 14. General > Blogtowne
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RE: Change is Coming??? (Based on a "sermon" ... - 11/23/2008 11:46:04 AM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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Let me add one more thing: Even BEFORE the elections, many christians had on their hearts, get ready, get ready, get ready. Something big was coming.
Yeah, I heard thousands of Christians saying those exact words back in August about the revival in Lakeland with Todd Bentley
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and then it all went to H-E-Double Hockey Sticks!
Guess they misunderstood what God was really trying to tell them...
Something big was coming...a big fat false revival!!!
"Even those sympathetic to Pentecostal theology are apprehensive."
I am both Charismatic and Pentecostal sympathetic, but this Is Not either legitimate Charismatic or legitimate Pentecostal or a mix of the two --- it's false/cult!!
"Undisputedly, there have been revivals in Europe and other parts of the world since the Early Church. A very long time before John Wesley, Jonathan Edwards, Smith Wigglesworth or the Pentecostal awakening, Europe has experienced the gifts of the Holy Spirit, healing, deliverance, manifestations of the Holy Spirit. The gifts and manifestations of the Holy Spirit have been present non-stop since the Apostles. Church history clearly reveals this fact. However, a believer must be wise as a serpent, but gentle as a dove regarding the testimony of the leaders of such movements, comparing their words and actions to the Word of God. We are to test all things and hold fast to what is good."
"Todd wrote on the etpv.org website in 2003 “Now let me talk about an angelic experience with Emma. Twice Bob Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in 1980: "Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?” He asked me as if he expected that this angel was appearing to me. Surprised, I said, Bob, who is Emma?” He told me that Emma was the angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. She was a mothering-type angel that helped nurture the prophetic as it broke out. Within a few weeks of Bob asking me about Emma, I was in a service in Beulah, North Dakota. In the middle of the service I was in conversation with Ivan and another person when in walks Emma. As I stared at the angel with open eyes, the Lord said, “Here’s Emma.” I’m not kidding. She floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when she wore a white dress and looked like she was gliding across the platform. Emma appeared beautiful and young-about 22 years old-but she was old at the same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace of Proverbs 31 on her life.”
Without any exception that I have found, every questionable spiritual movement is marked by intervening Angels giving guidance, not necessarily God’s Word or the Holy Spirit of Truth. Muhammad, Joseph Smith, Jose Luis De Jesus Miranda, Jerry and Esther Hicks, Rhonda Byrne, Helen Schucman, JZ Knight… the list is long for those who are popular and have spirit guides from the fallen realm. Bob Jones and Todd Bentley and their spirit guide “Emma” are no different. Todd attributes his "miracles" according to his own testimony, is from an angel that he says is called "Emma". It should be interesting to note, in the book of angels, Emma (Imma Ila'ah, feminine, in the Kabbalah) means “Embrace Everything.” Also closely related, another name used is “Emma-O“, which in Japanese mythology means “King of Hell” or Satan."
We are weathering an unprecedented season of moral failure and spiritual compromise in our nation today. Those in the way of discerning faith still believe that God desires to visit our nation in supernatural power. We know He wants to heal multitudes, and we must continue to pray for a healing revival to sweep across the United States. But we must contend for the genuine, not an imitation. True revival will be accompanied by brokenness, humility, reverence and repentance—not the arrogance, showmanship and empty hype that often was on display in Lakeland.
Read all at:
http://www.eternalpath.com/lakeland.html
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RE: Change is Coming??? (Based on a "sermon" ... - 11/23/2008 12:48:23 PM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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Yeah, I heard thousands of Christians saying those exact words back in August about the revival in Lakeland with Todd Bentley
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and then it all went to H-E-Double Hockey Sticks!
Guess they misunderstood what God was really trying to tell them...
Something big was coming...a big fat false revival!!!
Yes, they misunderstood what God was really trying to tell them; they were/are deceived by Todd Bentley. 
But this isn't just my personal opinion; see what others are saying:
"Clearly, Todd Bentley is in contact with spirits of some kind. But what kind of spirits are they? All true believers are in contact with God’s Holy Spirit who dwells within us from the time of our conversion to Christ. Jesus told us that He would send the Spirit to us to “lead us into all truth” (John 16:13). If all truth is available through God’s Holy Spirit and His Word, the Bible, why would God send other spirits to speak to us? He wouldn’t and He doesn’t. John 4:1-3 warns, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (NASB). See also 1 Thessalonians 5:21, "Test everything; hold fast what is good" (NASB)."
As Matthew 24:24 warns, "False Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect." False prophets are always in the employ of Satan, whether knowingly or unknowingly, who “walks about like a roaring lion, seeking someone he may devour” (1 Peter 5:8). Jesus warned about the profusion of false prophets in the last days: “And many false prophets will rise and deceive many” (Matthew 24:11). Do not be deceived by Todd Bentley.
Read more HERE
(highlights are mine in both posts)
Believe me I do Not take lightly using words like false prophet, cult, or heretic; as some people do; but in this case they all fit this man and this revival.
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RE: Change is Coming??? (Based on a "sermon" ... - 11/23/2008 4:36:15 PM
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Dragonnie
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Also, it is not tithing that will protect us; the tithe was for the priest
system and the temple. we no longer need those, so we aren't bound by
that and need not be under pressure to tithe -
-the Bible says to give
whatever is in your heart to give. it can be spontaneous, like when you see a poor mother in a store.
So it's not tithing that will help us, but keeping the commandments in the Law:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law Mat 5
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him,
because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. those commandments are based on the moral Law of Moses.
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ORIGINAL: Dragonnie
yes, change is coming, and it does have to do with the Second coming.
i don't know when or how fast things will change, but those who keep the commandments in the moral Law of Moses will not taste of the wrath nor receive of the plagues:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
more on this in my blog, posts # 25, 26, 14. General > Blogtowne
A CORRUPTED BIBLE:
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As Matthew 24:24 warns, "False Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect."
The correct word is not "mislead", but DECEIVE. The false prophets will not merely mislead us a few inches off the right path, but they can totally deceive us.
< Message edited by Dragonnie -- 11/23/2008 4:47:05 PM >
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RE: Change is Coming??? (Based on a "sermon" ... - 11/23/2008 7:29:42 PM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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ORIGINAL: Dragonnie
yes, change is coming, and it does have to do with the Second coming.
I use to believe that; and I hope you are right --- I really do; but I don't think so. I think there are a few unfinished things left --- such as unity between believers:
Ps. 133:1, Eph. 4:3, 13.
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A CORRUPTED BIBLE:
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As Matthew 24:24 warns, "False Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect."
The correct word is not "mislead", but DECEIVE. The false prophets will not merely mislead us a few inches off the right path, but they can totally deceive us.
You may not like 'this' interpretation but that does Not make it "A CORRUPTED BIBLE"; that a very legalistic view.
< Message edited by Pat-rebel_lady -- 11/23/2008 8:15:29 PM >
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RE: Change is Coming??? (Based on a "sermon" ... - 11/23/2008 9:02:45 PM
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Kat_D
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ORIGINAL: Pat-rebel_lady
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Yeah, I heard thousands of Christians saying those exact words back in August about the revival in Lakeland with Todd Bentley
.
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.
.
and then it all went to H-E-Double Hockey Sticks!
Guess they misunderstood what God was really trying to tell them...
Something big was coming...a big fat false revival!!!
Yes, they misunderstood what God was really trying to tell them; they were/are deceived by Todd Bentley.
But this isn't just my personal opinion; see what others are saying:
"Clearly, Todd Bentley is in contact with spirits of some kind. But what kind of spirits are they? All true believers are in contact with God’s Holy Spirit who dwells within us from the time of our conversion to Christ. Jesus told us that He would send the Spirit to us to “lead us into all truth” (John 16:13). If all truth is available through God’s Holy Spirit and His Word, the Bible, why would God send other spirits to speak to us? He wouldn’t and He doesn’t. John 4:1-3 warns, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (NASB). See also 1 Thessalonians 5:21, "Test everything; hold fast what is good" (NASB)."
As Matthew 24:24 warns, "False Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect." False prophets are always in the employ of Satan, whether knowingly or unknowingly, who “walks about like a roaring lion, seeking someone he may devour” (1 Peter 5:8). Jesus warned about the profusion of false prophets in the last days: “And many false prophets will rise and deceive many” (Matthew 24:11). Do not be deceived by Todd Bentley.
Read more HERE
(highlights are mine in both posts)
Believe me I do Not take lightly using words like false prophet, cult, or heretic; as some people do; but in this case they all fit this man and this revival.
You're preaching to the choir!! 
I knew he was a false prophet from the beginning. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out...too bad the "signs and wonders/anything goes" crowd got a bad case of mass hysteria and thought TB was the messiah.
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RE: Change is Coming??? (Based on a "sermon" ... - 11/24/2008 10:38:22 AM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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ORIGINAL: Kat_D
[You're preaching to the choir!!
I knew he was a false prophet from the beginning. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out...too bad the "signs and wonders/anything goes" crowd got a bad case of mass hysteria and thought TB was the messiah.
Than I'm not understanding where 'this' came from and/or why:
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Yeah, I heard thousands of Christians saying those exact words back in August about the revival in Lakeland with Todd Bentley
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and then it all went to H-E-Double Hockey Sticks!
Guess they misunderstood what God was really trying to tell them...
Something big was coming...a big fat false revival!!!
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RE: Change is Coming??? (Based on a "sermon" ... - 11/24/2008 3:14:59 PM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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ORIGINAL: Kat_D
I guess you assumed I was one of the deceived...I wasn't.
No, I did not assume that, but was surprised and confused, by the attitude that seemed to came across in your post.
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The point being that thousands of Christians thought they "heard from God" when they mistakenly believed they heard Him say to go to Lakeland. You really have to go back to post 49 to see what I was replying to. It is proof that not everyone who claims they have heard from God, really have. God would never direct His people to a false prophet/revival.
Okay, let me see if I can explain how I seen/see these two posts:
You said:
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Yeah, I heard thousands of Christians saying those exact words back in August about the revival in Lakeland with Todd Bentley. .....
Which I took to mean these Christians:
1 Corinthians
3:1
And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
3:2
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3:3
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, F7 are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
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Hebrews
5:11
Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
5:12
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
5:13
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Dancre said,
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Let me add one more thing: Even BEFORE the elections, many christians had on their hearts, get ready, get ready, get ready. Something big was coming.
I took that to mean, as I myself was also referring to, Christians of:
Hebrews
5:14
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
We're talking about two different stages/types of Christians here. AND NO, NOT two different colors; as writerchick implied in post 20.
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RE: Change is Coming??? (Based on a "sermon" ... - 11/24/2008 4:21:47 PM
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writerchick
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ORIGINAL: Pat-rebel_lady
We're talking about two different stages/types of Christians here. AND NO, NOT two different colors; as writerchick implied in post 20.
If the shoe fits...And the fact that you're still on this tells me I correctly guessed your size.
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RE: Change is Coming??? (Based on a "sermon" ... - 11/24/2008 4:29:38 PM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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ORIGINAL: writerchick
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ORIGINAL: Pat-rebel_lady
We're talking about two different stages/types of Christians here. AND NO, NOT two different colors; as writerchick implied in post 20.
If the shoe fits...And the fact that you're still on this tells me I correctly guessed your size.
RED HAND BLOCK
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RE: Change is Coming??? (Based on a "sermon" ... - 11/27/2008 9:48:47 AM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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ORIGINAL: Dragonnie
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ORIGINAL: Pat-rebel_lady
yes, change is coming, and it does have to do with the Second coming.
I use to believe that; and I hope you are right --- I really do; but I don't think so. I think there are a few unfinished things left --- such as unity between believers:
Ps. 133:1, Eph. 4:3, 13.
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hi, rebel with a cause. 
Hey, you got it!!  You're absolutely right; that's what my handle stands for. 
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those scriptures are not in the context of the 2nd coming.
I know; I hear the words "context", "context context context", and "not in context", all over this board; but my mind will not compute/comprehend anything written in scripture or any prophecy of the scripture not being in context with the second coming.
So I'm afraid you'll have to over-look/forgive this high school drop-out (and old lady) for being illiterate when it comes to words like "context" or "out of context" and such.
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4 For there are certain men crept in unawares
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. Jude
also, it sez that in the last days there will be a great falling away from truth.
So true, so true, but God Will have a Regiment/Workers.
God bless,
Pat
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Also related:
muslims have been learning of Jesus in dreams.
I knew they were learning about Jesus, but I didn't know they were learning through dreams too. That's sooo.... cool --- that's how I learned about my living Lord and King. 
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RE: Change is Coming??? (Based on a "sermon" ... - 11/27/2008 11:16:14 AM
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Kat_D
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ORIGINAL: Pat-rebel_lady
I know; I hear the words "context", "context context context", and "not in context", all over this board; but my mind will not compute/comprehend anything written in scripture or any prophecy of the scripture not being in context with the second coming.
So I'm afraid you'll have to over-look/forgive this high school drop-out (and old lady) for being illiterate when it comes to words like "context" or "out of context" and such.
Well, considering how important it is, perhaps it's time to educate yourself, because, if the Word of God is taken out of context, then the true meaning is lost. This has been proven time and time again by the many false teachers out there who do it and build an entire movement on it...something uneducated in the Word of God Christians are only too willing to fall for.
14 "Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness." -II Timothy 2
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"...And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes...no more death, sorrow, nor crying."
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RE: Change is Coming??? (Based on a "sermon" ... - 11/27/2008 12:59:24 PM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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ORIGINAL: Kat_D
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ORIGINAL: Pat-rebel_lady
I know; I hear the words "context", "context context context", and "not in context", all over this board; but my mind will not compute/comprehend anything written in scripture or any prophecy of the scripture not being in context with the second coming.
So I'm afraid you'll have to over-look/forgive this high school drop-out (and old lady) for being illiterate when it comes to words like "context" or "out of context" and such.
Well, considering how important it is, perhaps it's time to educate yourself, because, if the Word of God is taken out of context, then the true meaning is lost. This has been proven time and time again by the many false teachers out there who do it and build an entire movement on it...something uneducated in the Word of God Christians are only too willing to fall for.
14 "Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness." -II Timothy 2
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Have you ever tried, with all your might and all your strength, to learn something and found that you couldn't remember it 5 minutes later? Well that's what the last 12 years has been like trying to learn this, and some other theology based stuff, it won't stay with me Period. So I guess the best thing for me to do is keep my mouth shut and/or quit.
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