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jadegrrl -> The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 12:07:42 PM)
A friend brought up these questions to me and I thought it was interesting. It is one of the reasons why he hasn't chosen to accept jesus into his life. So I am trying to find the answer for him and myself. Are Jews going to heaven? They believe in the same God but reject Jesus Christ as the messiah, their Lord and Savior. What about the hollocaust and those jews? Did they go heaven? Can a homosexual who believes in God and accepted Jesus christ who went to church and was a great person on earth.... do you think they can go to heaven?

JimboFletch -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 12:14:09 PM)
Let's see what Jesus has to say on the matter: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. -John 14:6 and: Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. -John 3:3 Only by Him alone and only if born again. Looks like a short list, doesn't it?

SinnerSaved -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 12:17:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jadegrrl Are Jews going to heaven? They believe in the same God but reject Jesus Christ as the messiah, their Lord and Savior. What about the hollocaust and those jews? Did they go heaven? John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. John 14:3 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. quote: ORIGINAL: jadegrrl Can a homosexual who believes in God and accepted Jesus christ who went to church and was a great person on earth.... do you think they can go to heaven? 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

mvic -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 12:30:39 PM)
HelLo Jadegrrl, Welcome to the Forums. The two quotations above are correct. Jesus did say this - and many other things too. To answer your question truthfully, without any doubt of contradiction; in reality, nobody knows exactly who will and who will not go to Heaven. Of course we can debate for ages the quotations above. Many people, much wiser than I, have debated them for years, including eminent senior church leaders, and they have not agreed. There are many people who have not had the opportunity of knowing Jesus through no fault of their own - for example people living in remote areas, jungles and villages, away from civilisation. Are they too to be excluded from Heaven? Maybe when Jesus said:"No one goes to God but throuhg Me"; He meant people who did know of Him yet decided to turn their back on Him and not accept He is the Son of God. Maybe He didn't meant everyone, but those who reject Him. I really don't know. But I do know and believe this: God is wise, all knowing, and merciful. His judgement and His decisions will be fair. I am happy with that.

JimboFletch -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 12:37:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mvic To answer your question truthfully, without any doubt of contradiction; in reality, nobody knows exactly who will and who will not go to Heaven... However, I KNOW that I am born again and going to heaven. The Bible tells me so. And you too can know for sure wher your final destination will be. God didn't leave us here to wonder. And as noted above, God also tells us certain ones that He will not allow into heaven.

MrFribbles -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 12:39:03 PM)
quote: Can a homosexual who believes in God and accepted Jesus christ who went to church and was a great person on earth.... do you think they can go to heaven? I believe they can, yes. God does not demand that we be perfect here on earth. Now, I would say that someone who continues in practicing a homosexual lifestyle won't be an effective Christian, but I believe they can go to heaven.

JimboFletch -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 12:40:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrFribbles quote: Can a homosexual who believes in God and accepted Jesus christ who went to church and was a great person on earth.... do you think they can go to heaven? I believe they can, yes. God does not demand that we be perfect here on earth. Now, I would say that someone who continues in practicing a homosexual lifestyle won't be an effective Christian, but I believe they can go to heaven. Curious: How does old things pass away at rebirth and old things become new while we remain unchanged from the indwelt Holy Spirit of God? Besides, God calls the practice of homosexuality is an abomination - the very worst thing He could label any act.

mvic -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 12:43:53 PM)
You are indeed very fortunate JimboFletch that you do know that you're going to Heaven. Please look out for me when you're there. For my part, I really don't know. I believe in Christ and do my best to live as He would wish me too. Yet, I leave that final decision to Him. In hope that He will find me worthy. I agree with you about the list of those mentioned above to be excluded - yet, I really am not that certain. They too have the opportunity to repent and turn away from their sins to Jesus. As we both have done. That's why I'm happy to leave the decision-making to Him, and not attempt to second-guess Him.

MrFribbles -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 12:47:41 PM)
quote: How does old things pass away at rebirth and old things become new while we remain unchanged from the indwelt Holy Spirit of God? Oh, I believe there's change. I do not believe a Christian can comfortably be a homosexual, anymore than they can comfortably be a materialist, worrier, etc. The Holy Spirit will be working in their life, convicting them of their sin. And if they let the Spirit work in and through them, then that sin will cease. quote: Besides, God calls the practice of homosexuality is an abomination - the very worst thing He could label any act. It is doubtless a sin. But were any of us really any better in God's eyes before being covered in Christ's righteousness?

JimboFletch -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 12:53:52 PM)
MVIC, read the Gospel and the epistles of John, especially 1 John where he states, "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life." When we are redeemed, God seals us in His care and gives us the Holy Spirit as a pledge, a promise of our eternal destiny as a joint heir with Christ. "Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge." -2 Corinthians 1:21-22 A faith that leaves you in doubt about eternity is a faith that's no better than the hope-so faith of the Pharisees.

JimboFletch -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 12:57:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrFribbles It is doubtless a sin. But were any of us really any better in God's eyes before being covered in Christ's righteousness? I am not the same person that I was before I was blood-bought, redeemed, and indwelt by God the Holy Spirit. Sinning is not my normal mode of life and when I do sin, He quickly nudges me or, if I do not respond, chastises me until I repent (change). If anyone can live in intentional sin without God's chastisement, the Bible says they are not His, they are tares and false converts.

AboundinginHisGrace -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 12:58:34 PM)
I Know that I am saved, God brought me to place in my life and He opened my eyes to His wonderful Grace. If you put your faith in what Christ did for you then you are saved. Once we are saved things do change, but that does not mean we become sinless. We do become sinless in God's eyes (thanks to Christ), but we will still sin. We will have a desire to serve our Lord and it will hurt us when we do sin. I hate to sin, it bothers me, even if it is something that no one else will know about, it hurts me. I heard someone say we do not become sinless but we will sin less when we are converted. Everyone has their struggles even if you are a Christian, as Paul said this wretch man that I am, we are sinful worthless human beings, but God loves us and made "The Way" for us so we can have a relationship with Him. The ONLY way to God is through the son, period. Jews who do not put their Faith in Christ will go to hell, if they do put their faith in Christ then they will go to heaven. As other have stated He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life no man comes to the Father but through Him (Christ). To know the Son is the to know the Father.

Kat_D -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 1:04:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jadegrrl A friend brought up these questions to me and I thought it was interesting. It is one of the reasons why he hasn't chosen to accept jesus into his life. So I am trying to find the answer for him and myself. Are Jews going to heaven? They believe in the same God but reject Jesus Christ as the messiah, their Lord and Savior. What about the hollocaust and those jews? Did they go heaven? Can a homosexual who believes in God and accepted Jesus christ who went to church and was a great person on earth.... do you think they can go to heaven? And so you see by this thread there are those who believe the Bible says what it means and means what it says, of which I am one. Those who don't believe that, believe people can get to heaven many ways and if that were true, why would Jesus have given the aforementioned Scripture (John 14:6)? They also believe that one who claims to be a Believer can continue in a lifestyle of sin and still be an heir of heaven. I am one who does not believe that. If it were true, why would Jesus have said: 1 "And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said: 2 "The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, 3 and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. 4 Again, he sent out other servants, saying, 'Tell those who are invited, "See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding." ' 5 But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. 6 And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them. 7 But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. 8 Then he said to his servants, 'The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.' 10 So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests. 11 But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. 12 So he said to him, 'Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?' And he was speechless. 13 Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' 14 For many are called, but few are chosen." Matthew 22 Or why would He also have said: 13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matthew 7 The Bible is true and you can trust it. Being a Christian is not an easy life but the rewards are far greater than the hardships. If your friend is serious, tell him to stop looking for loopholes and seek Jesus with his whole heart and Jesus will reveal Himself to him: 19 "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." -Revelation 3

MrFribbles -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 1:34:28 PM)
quote: Sinning is not my normal mode of life and when I do sin, He quickly nudges me or, if I do not respond, chastises me until I repent (change). I completely agree. I just believe that homosexuality is one of those things that can be nudged about - it's not something that rules someone out from receiving the Holy Spirit.

KaseyTom -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 2:15:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jadegrrl A friend brought up these questions to me and I thought it was interesting. It is one of the reasons why he hasn't chosen to accept jesus into his life. So I am trying to find the answer for him and myself. Are Jews going to heaven? They believe in the same God but reject Jesus Christ as the messiah, their Lord and Savior. What about the hollocaust and those jews? Did they go heaven? Can a homosexual who believes in God and accepted Jesus christ who went to church and was a great person on earth.... do you think they can go to heaven? Folks here don't like to say it directly, but the general consensus among evangelical Christians is that Jews (even the one who died in the Holocaust) who die without accepting Christ spend eternity suffering the unspeakable torture of Hell, while even the monster who killed them will go to heaven if he sincerely accepts Christ as his saviour. Am I interpreting the general consensus of this board correctly? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

AboundinginHisGrace -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 2:23:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KaseyTom quote: ORIGINAL: jadegrrl A friend brought up these questions to me and I thought it was interesting. It is one of the reasons why he hasn't chosen to accept jesus into his life. So I am trying to find the answer for him and myself. Are Jews going to heaven? They believe in the same God but reject Jesus Christ as the messiah, their Lord and Savior. What about the hollocaust and those jews? Did they go heaven? Can a homosexual who believes in God and accepted Jesus christ who went to church and was a great person on earth.... do you think they can go to heaven? Folks here don't like to say it directly, but the general consensus among evangelical Christians is that Jews (even the one who died in the Holocaust) who die without accepting Christ spend eternity suffering the unspeakable torture of Hell, while even the monster who killed them will go to heaven if he sincerely accepts Christ as his saviour. Am I interpreting the general consensus of this board correctly? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Yep, because in the end we are all just as guilty, the Lord said if we as much as hate our brother we are guilty of murder. We are all sinners and worthy of death (the wages of sin is death) but through Christ we can have eternal life, without christ = death. That what makes it so awesome, is that Christ loved me eventhought I was unloveable, I am so thankful He opened my eyes to His Grace.

JimboFletch -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 2:27:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrFribbles quote: Sinning is not my normal mode of life and when I do sin, He quickly nudges me or, if I do not respond, chastises me until I repent (change). I completely agree. I just believe that homosexuality is one of those things that can be nudged about - it's not something that rules someone out from receiving the Holy Spirit. If scripture says they won't go to heaven then why would holy God indwell them?

URForgiven -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 2:27:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jadegrrl A friend brought up these questions to me and I thought it was interesting. It is one of the reasons why he hasn't chosen to accept Jesus into his life. So I am trying to find the answer for him and myself. Are Jews going to heaven? They believe in the same God but reject Jesus Christ as the messiah, their Lord and Savior. What about the hollocaust and those jews? Did they go heaven? Can a homosexual who believes in God and accepted Jesus christ who went to church and was a great person on earth.... do you think they can go to heaven? Those who go to heaven are those who have been made spiritually alive through receiving Jesus Christ. Those who do not go to Heaven, are those who remain spiritually dead through their rejection of Christ. John 3:36 *"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."* John 6:40 "For my Father's will* is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."* Romans 5:10 *"For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!"* 1 John 5:12 "He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life." Acts 4:12 "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." Peace

SavedByGraceMD -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 2:30:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jadegrrl A friend brought up these questions to me and I thought it was interesting. It is one of the reasons why he hasn't chosen to accept jesus into his life. So I am trying to find the answer for him and myself. Are Jews going to heaven? They believe in the same God but reject Jesus Christ as the messiah, their Lord and Savior. What about the hollocaust and those jews? Did they go heaven? Can a homosexual who believes in God and accepted Jesus christ who went to church and was a great person on earth.... do you think they can go to heaven? Lets see... to answer your questions the best way I possibly can, we are told in Matthew 23 this statement from Jesus to Israel(the jews) 37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord." While part of me is unsure if the Jewish people will be treated differently, this passage seems pretty straight forward. I think even the Jewish people need to accept Jesus as Lord and savior, just like the rest of us. Now as to whether a homosexual can get to Heaven or not, that depends. Have they confessed their sin, repented of their ways, accepted Jesus as savior, and believe in what He did for them on the cross. If so, then yes they will go to heaven. But as others have already stated, If you place your faith in Jesus you will receive the Holy Spirit, and if you receive the Holy Spirit, while you may still sin at times, you will do your best to turn from your life of sin. So someone who willfully, intentionally, sins and disobeys God most likely was not sincere in their faith. We have been told in Ephesians 1 (as well as other places) that believers have been sealed, and have a guarantee from God of what will happen 13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession�to the praise of his glory. For those who choose no to believe, well I think the scriptures are pretty straight forward about that also. I hope this helps.

AboundinginHisGrace -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 2:35:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: ORIGINAL: MrFribbles quote: Sinning is not my normal mode of life and when I do sin, He quickly nudges me or, if I do not respond, chastises me until I repent (change). I completely agree. I just believe that homosexuality is one of those things that can be nudged about - it's not something that rules someone out from receiving the Holy Spirit. If scripture says they won't go to heaven then why would holy God indwell them? 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. idolaters = Since you have been saved have you put anything before God, if so you are an idolater and you are guilty. Adulterers = Since you have been saved have you lusted after a woman if so you are an adulterer and you are guilty Theivers = since you have been saved have you have taken credit for something you haven't done or have you stolen anything even and idea, if so you are theif you are guilty. Convetous = since you have been saved have you ever wanted something that is not yours, if so you are a covetous you are are guilty etc etc Even when we are Christians we can and do commit most of those sins. What Paul is talking about is what God sees when He looks at us, we are all of those things, but when we become Christians He doesn't see us as those He sees the blood of Christ. I will say this a Christian will not live in those sins for very long, and will be miserable if he does, but to say that a Christian is not capable of commiting those sins isn't correct. A christian does become a new creation and will not make those sins his priority, but we are still all capable of commiting those sins.

KaseyTom -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 2:39:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AboundinginHisGrace quote: ORIGINAL: KaseyTom quote: ORIGINAL: jadegrrl A friend brought up these questions to me and I thought it was interesting. It is one of the reasons why he hasn't chosen to accept jesus into his life. So I am trying to find the answer for him and myself. Are Jews going to heaven? They believe in the same God but reject Jesus Christ as the messiah, their Lord and Savior. What about the hollocaust and those jews? Did they go heaven? Can a homosexual who believes in God and accepted Jesus christ who went to church and was a great person on earth.... do you think they can go to heaven? Folks here don't like to say it directly, but the general consensus among evangelical Christians is that Jews (even the one who died in the Holocaust) who die without accepting Christ spend eternity suffering the unspeakable torture of Hell, while even the monster who killed them will go to heaven if he sincerely accepts Christ as his saviour. Am I interpreting the general consensus of this board correctly? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Yep, because in the end we are all just as guilty, the Lord said if we as much as hate our brother we are guilty of murder. We are all sinners and worthy of death (the wages of sin is death) but through Christ we can have eternal life, without christ = death. That what makes it so awesome, is that Christ loved me eventhought I was unloveable, I am so thankful He opened my eyes to His Grace. I cannot comprehend a just and loving God dooming 3/4 of the people of the world simply because they happen to be born in an area where another religion happens to predominant. Even if I could get past all the issues I have with religion in general, there is no conceivable circumstance that I could worship such a God. My brain must simply be wired differently then yours.

SavedByGraceMD -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 2:55:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KaseyTom quote: ORIGINAL: AboundinginHisGrace quote: ORIGINAL: KaseyTom quote: ORIGINAL: jadegrrl A friend brought up these questions to me and I thought it was interesting. It is one of the reasons why he hasn't chosen to accept jesus into his life. So I am trying to find the answer for him and myself. Are Jews going to heaven? They believe in the same God but reject Jesus Christ as the messiah, their Lord and Savior. What about the hollocaust and those jews? Did they go heaven? Can a homosexual who believes in God and accepted Jesus christ who went to church and was a great person on earth.... do you think they can go to heaven? Folks here don't like to say it directly, but the general consensus among evangelical Christians is that Jews (even the one who died in the Holocaust) who die without accepting Christ spend eternity suffering the unspeakable torture of Hell, while even the monster who killed them will go to heaven if he sincerely accepts Christ as his saviour. Am I interpreting the general consensus of this board correctly? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Yep, because in the end we are all just as guilty, the Lord said if we as much as hate our brother we are guilty of murder. We are all sinners and worthy of death (the wages of sin is death) but through Christ we can have eternal life, without christ = death. That what makes it so awesome, is that Christ loved me eventhought I was unloveable, I am so thankful He opened my eyes to His Grace. I cannot comprehend a just and loving God dooming 3/4 of the people of the world simply because they happen to be born in an area where another religion happens to predominant. Even if I could get past all the issues I have with religion in general, there is no conceivable circumstance that I could worship such a God. My brain must simply be wired differently then yours. So then the question remains, what do you believe in KaseyTom. Do you believe in reincarnation, enlightenment, Allah and Mohammed, or one of the many other religions of the world? Do you believe in life after death, at all? If so, who receives it, ie, who goes to heaven. Can we earn it by being good. If so, who is the judge of who is good and who isn't? Or do you believe that this is just it, this life, this breath, we live, we die, and one day we are no more? Of all the religions of the world, Christianity is the only one where the Living God actually extends a hand to us, instead of us trying to reach Him, which of course is impossible. Only those who profess faith in Jesus enter heaven because our entrance came at a great price. Gods Son had to die. If we choose not to believe in the atoning death of Christ, then why would any man be granted heaven. We all fall short, all sin, and all deserve death. So it is only by placing our faith in Jesus that we can be saved. Pretty straight forward, and quite logical in my opinion.

SavedByGraceMD -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 2:59:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KaseyTom I cannot comprehend a just and loving God dooming 3/4 of the people of the world simply because they happen to be born in an area where another religion happens to predominant. Even if I could get past all the issues I have with religion in general, there is no conceivable circumstance that I could worship such a God. My brain must simply be wired differently then yours. "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8 NIV) To me this is a pretty concrete way for God to show He is a loving and just God. Jesus died to give us all the opportunity at eternal life. At the Harvest concert I just went to in Philly, Pastor Greg Laurie said this (it may have been said before) "Jesus died to pay a debt He did not owe, because we owed a debt we could not pay." Seems pretty loving to me.

SweetPea213 -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 3:02:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch Besides, God calls the practice of homosexuality is an abomination - the very worst thing He could label any act. Actually Matthew 12:31(NIV) says "And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forigiven." In that verse, Jesus clearly tells us that all sins and blasphemy against men ("people" in general) can be forgiven. So actually, the only abomination and unforgiveable sin--the very worst act a person can do--is blaspheme against the Holy Spirit (which is giving Satan credit or praise for what God has done). No where in that verse does it say that homosexuality is an unforgiveable sin. According to Romans 3:23 "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". Everyone single one us has sinned and fell short of the glory of God. You and me, liars, homosexuals, drunks, addicts, bigots, those who comitt adultery, judgemental people, you name it--all except Jesus. But by the blood Jesus shed on the Cross to cover our sins, we can grow closer to God, ask Him for His forgiveness and help to turn away from our sins! His blood covers all our sins! Galatins 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, you are all one in Christ Jesus." Romans 2:11 "For God shows no favoritism". God did say homosexuality was an adomination (in Leviticus I think), but that was the Old covanent. Because Jesus sacrificed Himself on the Cross, we are under the New covenant, 1 Corinithians 5:7 says "Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover Lamb, has been sacrificed." Hebrews 7:18-19 says "The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God". Hebrews 7:22 goes on to say "Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarentee of a better covenant." Hebrews 8:13 "By calling this covanent 'new', He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear". I was baptized two years ago, but I still struggle with some sins in my life--being judgemental. But because my sins are covered with the blood of Jesus, I can go to God and ask for His forgiveness. I'm not saying we should deliberately go and continue sinning by any means. The point is no one except Jesus is perfect all the time. All of us struggle with sins, for some that maybe lying, gossiping or even homosexuality although we are saved by the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross. The only difference between those of us who are saved and comitting sins from those who are not saved is that we have the opportunity to go to God, in the name of Jesus and ask for forgiveness and help in changing our sinful way.

KaseyTom -> RE: The People that are going to Heaven (10/9/2008 3:31:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SavedByGraceMD quote: ORIGINAL: KaseyTom quote: ORIGINAL: AboundinginHisGrace quote: ORIGINAL: KaseyTom quote: ORIGINAL: jadegrrl A friend brought up these questions to me and I thought it was interesting. It is one of the reasons why he hasn't chosen to accept jesus into his life. So I am trying to find the answer for him and myself. Are Jews going to heaven? They believe in the same God but reject Jesus Christ as the messiah, their Lord and Savior. What about the hollocaust and those jews? Did they go heaven? Can a homosexual who believes in God and accepted Jesus christ who went to church and was a great person on earth.... do you think they can go to heaven? Folks here don't like to say it directly, but the general consensus among evangelical Christians is that Jews (even the one who died in the Holocaust) who die without accepting Christ spend eternity suffering the unspeakable torture of Hell, while even the monster who killed them will go to heaven if he sincerely accepts Christ as his saviour. Am I interpreting the general consensus of this board correctly? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Yep, because in the end we are all just as guilty, the Lord said if we as much as hate our brother we are guilty of murder. We are all sinners and worthy of death (the wages of sin is death) but through Christ we can have eternal life, without christ = death. That what makes it so awesome, is that Christ loved me eventhought I was unloveable, I am so thankful He opened my eyes to His Grace. I cannot comprehend a just and loving God dooming 3/4 of the people of the world simply because they happen to be born in an area where another religion happens to predominant. Even if I could get past all the issues I have with religion in general, there is no conceivable circumstance that I could worship such a God. My brain must simply be wired differently then yours. So then the question remains, what do you believe in KaseyTom. Do you believe in reincarnation, enlightenment, Allah and Mohammed, or one of the many other religions of the world? Do you believe in life after death, at all? If so, who receives it, ie, who goes to heaven. Can we earn it by being good. If so, who is the judge of who is good and who isn't? Or do you believe that this is just it, this life, this breath, we live, we die, and one day we are no more? Of all the religions of the world, Christianity is the only one where the Living God actually extends a hand to us, instead of us trying to reach Him, which of course is impossible. Only those who profess faith in Jesus enter heaven because our entrance came at a great price. Gods Son had to die. If we choose not to believe in the atoning death of Christ, then why would any man be granted heaven. We all fall short, all sin, and all deserve death. So it is only by placing our faith in Jesus that we can be saved. Pretty straight forward, and quite logical in my opinion. Tell me what you think life is like for my mother in Hell. Is she at this moment screaming in searing horrible pain? Will God, in His love, ever release her from this stupendous suffering? Who has suffered more, Jesus on His two days on the cross, or my mother in her eternity in the fires of Hell?

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