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RE: HPV shot - 10/18/2008 11:26:04 AM
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W.O.F.
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The commercials for this shot are really aimed at teens and young women.
Please vote on whether or not you would get this shot and if you would have your daughter (or possible future daughter or female loved ones) get this shot and why you feel the way you do.
What are the short and long term effects and side effects?
I would not simply because I am in a monogamous marriage and there is no need to..and it is NOT for women over age 26 anyway.
I would not get it for my daughters at this point for a couple of reasons....
1) it is an extremely painful SET of shots...you have to get three injections
2) It is for an STD that can be prevented by not having sex outside of marriage and by marrying a virgin.
3) The long term effects of this vaccine are not known.
IF my daughter goes to get married and her potential spouse has not been faithful to purity, It would be a potential item on the menu at that time.
Short-term/long-term effects of vaccine:
Short term...extreme pain at injection site, tenderness in injection area, low grade fever.
Long-term: UNKNOWN and UNTESTED.
Ask me this again in about 10 years.....they'll know more then and I can give a better answer.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/18/2008 11:47:33 AM
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I'm wary of this vaccine only because it is new. My dd is 9 and I'll be interested in a couple of years to look at the studies on the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine in the early use.
I think it's absurd to say "I'll teach her not to have sex till she's married" - people make mistakes...and 17 year old people make really stupid mistakes! We just don't know what the future holds, what twists and turns a child will take spiritually. And, as some have said, even a kid who does everything right might marry someone who didn't do everything right. There are emotional and spiritual consequences of sin and that is unavoidable. But in this case, a potential life-threatening consequence can be avoided very simply.
I worked for the American Cancer Society for many years. I also can't help but think, to not want this vaccine, you must not know much about ovarian cancer - it's insidious and it's deadly. If there was a vaccine developed for breast cancer, I might not get that. . . breast cancer is not what it once was. Early detection and medical advances just around the corner could make breast cancer practically a non-issue by the time my dd is an adult. Right now, Multiple Myeloma, for example, which until very recently was a virtual death sentence, is now easily treated and completely curable. No need for a vaccine for that! But Ovarian cancer is not one of those "beatable" cancers, not yet.
This vaccine, assuming it is not found to be unsafe in some way, is a tremendous breakthrough that will save many lives. I'm not going to deny my child that protection because of some moral or political stance I want to take. She'll probably never break her leg playing soccer, and I could of course teach her to just run fast enough to avoid getting kicked, but I'm still going to have her wear shin guards.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/18/2008 12:59:29 PM
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Educate me - I thought that HPV could cause cervical cancer not ovarian cancer?
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RE: HPV shot - 10/18/2008 4:05:45 PM
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I worked for the American Cancer Society for many years. I also can't help but think, to not want this vaccine, you must not know much about ovarian cancer -
I agree, ovarian cancer is horrible. But I think you have made a mistake. The vaccine is for HPV, which can lead to cervical cancer, not ovarian.
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I'm wary of this vaccine only because it is new. My dd is 9 and I'll be interested in a couple of years to look at the studies on the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine in the early use.
I think it's absurd to say "I'll teach her not to have sex till she's married" - people make mistakes...and 17 year old people make really stupid mistakes! We just don't know what the future holds, what twists and turns a child will take spiritually. And, as some have said, even a kid who does everything right might marry someone who didn't do everything right. There are emotional and spiritual consequences of sin and that is unavoidable. But in this case, a potential life-threatening consequence can be avoided very simply.
I worked for the American Cancer Society for many years. I also can't help but think, to not want this vaccine, you must not know much about ovarian cancer - it's insidious and it's deadly. If there was a vaccine developed for breast cancer, I might not get that. . . breast cancer is not what it once was. Early detection and medical advances just around the corner could make breast cancer practically a non-issue by the time my dd is an adult. Right now, Multiple Myeloma, for example, which until very recently was a virtual death sentence, is now easily treated and completely curable. No need for a vaccine for that! But Ovarian cancer is not one of those "beatable" cancers, not yet.
This vaccine, assuming it is not found to be unsafe in some way, is a tremendous breakthrough that will save many lives. I'm not going to deny my child that protection because of some moral or political stance I want to take. She'll probably never break her leg playing soccer, and I could of course teach her to just run fast enough to avoid getting kicked, but I'm still going to have her wear shin guards.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/18/2008 6:54:27 PM
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I agree, ovarian cancer is horrible. But I think you have made a mistake. The vaccine is for HPV, which can lead to cervical cancer, not ovarian.
That's what I meant. I should only do four things at once.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/18/2008 11:10:45 PM
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But cervical cancer is ALREADY preventable if a woman is getting a PAP done regularly.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/19/2008 1:02:41 PM
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Ummm. No. A Pap doesn't prevent cervical cancer - it can only detect it or help detect abnormal cells before it becomes full-blown cancer. The reason to get a Pap is to hopefully catch it earlier which will increase your chance of surviving it (no guarantees though).
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RE: HPV shot - 10/19/2008 2:48:21 PM
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Right. And those abnormal cells are pretty easily treatable without much risk to a woman's fertility.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/19/2008 3:49:04 PM
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Right. I've been doing some reading ever since ovarian cancer was introduced into this thread. It seems with the pap test that abnormal cells are caught on the cervix early if one is consistent getting the pap, they can knock the pre-cancer fairly quickly.
However ovarian cancer is much more deadly but they do not screen for that at all. The email that goes around from time to time that discussed some sort of test is just a hoax
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RE: HPV shot - 10/19/2008 7:59:35 PM
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No, I would not get this myself even if I were not married to a faithful man.
No, I will not be encouraging any daughters of mine to get it.
I will, however, encourage regular women's health screenings which, IMO, are much more likely to save lives than an untested vaccine for a virus that is not even the only cause of cervical cancer.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/19/2008 9:56:44 PM
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However ovarian cancer is much more deadly but they do not screen for that at all. The email that goes around from time to time that discussed some sort of test is just a hoax
It's actually not entirely a hoax. There is a blood test for Ovarian cancer, but it's not entirely reliable and often gives false positives. I think Yale is the one who is developing a much, much more accurate(like 95%) that was in the second phase of testing back in January or February. It will probably be done soon, and then there will be a way to routinely screen for Ovarian cancer.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/19/2008 10:50:28 PM
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It's actually not entirely a hoax. There is a blood test for Ovarian cancer, but it's not entirely reliable and often gives false positives.
Right, this is the website I used to find out more about it when I first got the email http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/ca125.asp
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I think Yale is the one who is developing a much, much more accurate(like 95%) that was in the second phase of testing back in January or February.
I hadn't heard about that, but I'm glad they are coming up with something.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/20/2008 12:13:39 AM
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No, I would not get this myself even if I were not married to a faithful man.
No, I will not be encouraging any daughters of mine to get it.
I will, however, encourage regular women's health screenings which, IMO, are much more likely to save lives than an untested vaccine for a virus that is not even the only cause of cervical cancer.
It's rare to find a cervical cancer that didn't arise from HPV damage. I think 98-99% of cervical cancers arise from having the virus. (The number might be different now.) That's not to say it's not possible to just get cervical cancer anyway; I'm sure it happens.
How long had the vaccine been in trials? I'd heard three years (two years ago when I heard that I think), but that was just new data at the time. :)
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RE: HPV shot - 10/20/2008 9:26:16 AM
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However ovarian cancer is much more deadly but they do not screen for that at all. The email that goes around from time to time that discussed some sort of test is just a hoax
It's actually not entirely a hoax. There is a blood test for Ovarian cancer, but it's not entirely reliable and often gives false positives. I think Yale is the one who is developing a much, much more accurate(like 95%) that was in the second phase of testing back in January or February. It will probably be done soon, and then there will be a way to routinely screen for Ovarian cancer.
I hadn't thought about it until I read this...
Last year when my (grapefruit sized) cyst was removed from my fallopian tube they tested me for "cancer markers" before the surgery. The test came back that there were no markers. (it was a blood test) I was greatly relieved. Then we did the surgery, and the cyst was sent to pathology, and tested, and again found to have no cancer.
I hadn't thought about that test in quite some time. I do think it's cool that they have a blood test to test for markers of cancer, but I wonder if it covers all cancers or only certain ones...
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RE: HPV shot - 10/20/2008 9:55:05 AM
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Pap test cannot guarantee no cancer and early detection, while a wonderful thing, does not guarantee a cure. That's taking a huge chance to put so much faith in a screening test.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/20/2008 12:01:18 PM
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I feel manipulated.
That's pretty much where I'm coming from regarding this issue.
I do too. Everytime I take my 15 yo dd to the dr., several of the medical staff "suggest" the vaccine.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/20/2008 12:25:41 PM
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I should not be so uniformed but if you have HPV, and are treated, does that negate the risk of developing cancer?
I talked to a mom who got it for her daughter and she talked to me at some length about how, if I knew how easy it was to get HPV I'd feel differently for my girl. I'd get it for her now, because it takes so many months to be effective and now, it is just another shot, rather than a shot in case she starts making bad choices.
I see that logic (the timing) but I get sick of the attitude that 'if your a good mom, you'll do this'
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RE: HPV shot - 10/20/2008 3:20:52 PM
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Pap test cannot guarantee no cancer and early detection, while a wonderful thing, does not guarantee a cure. That's taking a huge chance to put so much faith in a screening test.
Thanks for highlighting this. That's why I took issue with saying regular Pap smears prevent cervical cancer. Not to downplay their importance, but I don't want folks to think as long as they get regular paps, they are totally safe.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/20/2008 3:27:18 PM
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I should not be so uniformed but if you have HPV, and are treated, does that negate the risk of developing cancer?
I talked to a mom who got it for her daughter and she talked to me at some length about how, if I knew how easy it was to get HPV I'd feel differently for my girl. I'd get it for her now, because it takes so many months to be effective and now, it is just another shot, rather than a shot in case she starts making bad choices.
I see that logic (the timing) but I get sick of the attitude that 'if your a good mom, you'll do this'
There are 2 different types of HPV- low risk which includes genital warts and high risk, which is what can cause cervical cancer. In the majority of cases our bodies immune system will eradicate HPV, only about 10% of cases will not be cleared up within 2 years(including both high and low risk).
And even then, of those 10% of women, only 10% will develop long term cell changes that put them at risk for cervical cancer.
Like I said earlier... I've been through the biopsies and colposcopies and I will still not vaccinate my daughter. It says alot to me that neither our pediatrician's practice(the whole practice, not just our doctor) nor my GYN nurse practitioner recommend the vaccine because of the lack of long term study.
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If a high-risk HPV infection is not cleared by the immune system, it can linger for many years and turn abnormal cells into cancer over time. About 10% of women with high-risk HPV on their cervix will develop long-lasting HPV infections that put them at risk for cervical cancer. Similarly, when high-risk HPV lingers and infects the cells of the penis, anus, vulva, or vagina, it can cause cancer in those areas. But these cancers are much less common than cervical cancer.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/20/2008 3:40:46 PM
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Pap test cannot guarantee no cancer and early detection, while a wonderful thing, does not guarantee a cure. That's taking a huge chance to put so much faith in a screening test.
Thanks for highlighting this. That's why I took issue with saying regular Pap smears prevent cervical cancer. Not to downplay their importance, but I don't want folks to think as long as they get regular paps, they are totally safe.
This thread made me think about HeLa cells...and where they came from. I believe some women can get regular paps and still die from cervical cancer, esp. if it's aggressive. Some women can't afford regular paps and just get them when they can too.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/21/2008 5:18:43 AM
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Pap test cannot guarantee no cancer and early detection, while a wonderful thing, does not guarantee a cure. That's taking a huge chance to put so much faith in a screening test.
On the flip side, that's taking a huge chance putting so much faith in a virus vaccine that may or may not work.
I don't put faith in any medicine or test. I study, weigh options, pray, and make wise decisions that are right for me and my family. I'm sure you do the same. That does not mean that my decisions will be the same as yours.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/21/2008 7:51:33 AM
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So, will someone with more time/brain cells than me sum up the statistics for me? Please
X% chance of developing cervical pre-cancerous cells. Y% of those cases are from HPV and this vaccine will prevent Z% of those cases.
And, how many of the X% of poor Pap results are successfully treated before full cancerous cells develop.
Does that make sense? I'm tired.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/21/2008 8:39:36 AM
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I don't know actual numbers but to determine how many will be stopped by vaccine muliply .x times .y times .z. IOW. if X is 10% and Y is 15% and Z is 25% then to determine how many of the populatioin will be helped multiply: .10X.15X.25 to tell how much of the population will be helped by the shot...using those examples .375% of the female population would be helped by the shot...
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) but when I hear the word 'virus' I automatically think of someone sneezing and coughing germs out into the air, kwim? My nurse friend got a good laugh at my expense when I asked her opinion on the HPV shot for our 9 yo daughters, she said "You do realize this is about a sexually transmitted disease, right?" I felt like an idiot.
