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RE: Does the Bible Say It Is God's Word? - 10/17/2008 11:37:31 AM   
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Basically, I'm just saying that we should call the Word the Word and the Scriptures the Scriptures. Even the Bible admits it is insufficient to convey the totality of the Word: "And I suppose that if all the other things Jeus did were written down, the whole world could not contain the books." John 21:25


I don't think I can agree with this approach. The word Logos is used for both Jesus as the living Word of God, and the Scriptures as the written words from God, and for the spoken words from God.

Here are some passages which illustrate how Logos is not only Christ, but the living and powerful words from God (written and spoken):

2 Tim 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word [logos] of truth.

Gal 6:6 Let him who is taught the word [logos] share in all good things with him who teaches.

Ga 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word [logos], even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

Matthew 13:1-23 uses logos for “word” as the seed which is spread and heard, and Luke 8:11 also states that the seed is the Word of God [logos].

Now this passage may be very interesting to you, because upon first reading it one could conclude that each “word” means Christ, or each “word” means the written Word of God. But really, it links them both—the word [logos] lives and abides forever…but the word [rhema] endures forever…and this is the word [rhema] of the gospel.

1 Peter 1:22-25 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word [logos] of God which lives and abides forever, because "All flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of the grass. The grass withers, And its flower falls away, But the word [rhema] of the Lord endures forever." Now this is the word [rhema] which by the gospel was preached to you.


This passage refers to Jesus by name and the Word of God as logos—each distinct (they were beheaded for BOTH their witness to Jesus and for the Word [logos].

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God [logos], who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.


This passage also links the Word [logos] as being the written Scriptures.
John 10:34-38 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, "You are gods" '? If He called them gods, to whom the word [logos] of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him."


In John 17, there are clear places where Jesus (the living Word) is speaking of the Word [logos] as being words from God, the Word which sanctifies because it is truth.

6 "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word [logos].

14 I have given them Your word [logos]; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word [logos] is truth.

20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word [logos];


But anyway, I think in order to draw conclusions on the Living Word (Christ) and the Words from God, a thorough study of logos, rhema, and graphe should be done. I think you will find that logos is not so easily boxed into ONLY referring to Christ as the Word.

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RE: Does the Bible Say It Is God's Word? - 10/17/2008 11:55:48 AM   
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Another interesting passage:

Joh 15:25 But this happened that the word [logos] might be fulfilled which is written in their law, 'They hated Me without a cause.'

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RE: Does the Bible Say It Is God's Word? - 10/19/2008 4:31:38 PM   
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in short: no.
"graphe"? certainly.

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RE: Does the Bible Say It Is God's Word? - 10/22/2008 12:23:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SophiesLadder

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The written Word is the context in which the Logos has been revealed to us.


Please explain to me how you came to this understanding. Is the Logos not revealed to us through His spirit which dwell within us?

Why not simply refer to the Bible as the Scriptures so as to not confuse it with the Word of God, Jesus Christ?


SophiesLadder,

You would have to purposefully ignore the passages which clearly refer to the Scriptures with the term Logos (word of God).

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RE: Does the Bible Say It Is God's Word? - 10/22/2008 4:58:35 PM   
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