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iampiper13 -> Root of all evil? (10/4/2008 2:09:25 PM)

What do you consider the root of all evil?



Little_1 -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/4/2008 2:52:01 PM)

1 John 3:8
8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

The devil has been sinning from the beginning and I would say he is the route of all evil; however, the love of money is a root which comes out of this corrupt route!


1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

I have heard it said that "Money is not the root of all evil" but this is not true because the Bible teaches that money in itself is not evil; however, the love of money is certainly 'a root' of all kinds of evil.



TrustingGod -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/4/2008 3:04:08 PM)

Pride



LCannon -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/4/2008 3:05:36 PM)

The 'root of all kinds of evil' can be any(most)opportunity directed at or for one's sole influence(or his immediate circle that might spill onto him)and can feed his arrogance.



mvic -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/4/2008 4:13:10 PM)

The root of all evil is Greed.

Look at all the problems in the world today and ask yourself why. It all started by someone, somewhere, being greedy. Wanting more than his fair share.

Now look closer to home, and you'll find we're all guilty, to some extent or another, of that same sin. Greed.



Liveloved -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/4/2008 4:24:03 PM)

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The root of all evil is Greed.

Look at all the problems in the world today and ask yourself why. It all started by someone, somewhere, being greedy. Wanting more than his fair share.

Now look closer to home, and you'll find we're all guilty, to some extent or another, of that same sin. Greed.


It is hard to separate out all the components of the selfish nature. Surely greed or covetousness is a MAJOR root of evil within. But the proud, self loving flesh is the ultimate root. . . with many manifestations.

That is why Jesus had to die for our sin. We could not and cannot save ourselves from an evil that great. Thank You, Jesus.[sm=heart.gif][sm=hug.gif]



iampiper13 -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/4/2008 5:13:26 PM)

So I guess it comes down to what came first, didn't satan want to be equal to God as in pride or was it greed in wanting what God had and selfishness being a by-product of one of those or vise-versa? lol
The reason I ask about the root of all evil is recently in our town paper(pop.2500) there was a letter to the editor with this quote:
"The love of money is not the root of all evil, as it has been said. Selfishness is the root of all evil." While I agree to a point something just didn't sound right so I decided to ask around.



MrFribbles -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/4/2008 5:47:19 PM)

I would say that there isn't a single root of evil. Different forms of evil spring from different sources. If I had to say the most overlapping one, I would probably say discontentment. It spawns pride, greed, and lust.



NotDoneYet -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/4/2008 6:14:16 PM)

Selfishness...self-aggrandizement
The things that are done for the glorification of self...from jobs and education to cars and homes and bank accounts...
When someone has the glaring inability to look past the end of their own nose...
When someone won't step out of their comfort zone to fill a need
When people spend too much time looking down at others instead of offering a hand up
When prejudgment due to gender, race, circumstances is the way of life

Once you step outside yourself you discover there's a big world out there...

NDY



Liveloved -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/4/2008 6:36:49 PM)

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The reason I ask about the root of all evil is recently in our town paper(pop.2500) there was a letter to the editor with this quote:
"The love of money is not the root of all evil, as it has been said. Selfishness is the root of all evil." While I agree to a point something just didn't sound right so I decided to ask around.


I would say a hearty amen to the writer of this letter. Love of self leads to all manner of evil including greed. I'd say this writer understands the heart of man quite well and for that should be commended.

And perhaps you could follow up with a letter not only commending the point they have made but also pointing to Jesus Who is The Answer to our selfishness.[:)]



bob97 -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/4/2008 6:56:09 PM)

The root of all evil is Adam or man. Adam sinned and caused sin to enter the world. Before Adam sinned there was no evil, the creation was prefect.

Bob



iampiper13 -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/4/2008 7:11:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bob97

The root of all evil is Adam or man. Adam sinned and caused sin to enter the world. Before Adam sinned there was no evil, the creation was prefect.

Bob

But when was satans fall? Was it before Adam? If so wouldn't that make satan the root of all evil? I'm not denying that man is sinful. This post has gone alot deeper then I planned on, pretty cool lol



deermousie -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/4/2008 11:09:31 PM)

1 Tim. 6:10 talks about the love of money is a root but not the root of all evil. It's one of many. The Bible doesn't tell us what the root of all evil is or if there is one. We know Satan fell in what had been a perfect world, and the Bible doesn't tell us where evil originally came from. I guess it's one of those questions we'll ask when we get to heaven.



bob97 -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/4/2008 11:28:51 PM)

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But when was satans fall? Was it before Adam? If so wouldn't that make satan the root of all evil? I'm not denying that man is sinful. This post has gone alot deeper then I planned on, pretty cool lol


Good question iampiper and is subject to debate but in my opinion and understanding Satan's fall was at the point of tempting Eve.

The fall of mankind was when God cursed the earth and mankind...as well as Satan.

Genesis 3:14-19 ( KJV ) 14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


Bob



URForgiven -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/5/2008 12:29:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: iampiper13

What do you consider the root of all evil?


The root (cause) of human evil is Satan, the evil one. Just as the root of human good, is God. The root of Satan's evil was an uncaused choice to pursue the lie of independent-self.

Peace



zamdad -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/5/2008 1:30:25 AM)

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I have heard it said that "Money is not the root of all evil" but this is not true because the Bible teaches that money in itself is not evil; however, the love of money is certainly 'a root' of all kinds of evil.


Could it be that our love is the root of all evil? Do we love money, sex, power, material things more than God? God is described as a jealous God. Look at where we place our priorities. We, all too often, give lip service to God being the top priority. As long as he doesn't interfere with our favorite TV show, our time with.....



SonInMe1 -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/5/2008 1:32:20 AM)

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Wanting more than his fair share.


Please define fair.

The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil

Not money but the love of money...an idol situation.

A root. Not the root. Not all roots. Just one root.

All kinds of evil. Not all evil.

It just means worshipping money will lead you into trouble. Its not God.

By the way if your money is causing you to sin, send it to me.

The root of all evil as far as man is concerned was the consumption of fruit. One act let evil into this world. satan did not commit the sin. The choice was our's and so is the responsibility. Its our fault and no one else's.

The root of all evil? The mirror baby...the mirror.



zamdad -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/5/2008 1:35:13 AM)

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By the way if your money is causing you to sin, send it to me.


And, if you have anymore, I need some too.[:)]

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The root of all evil? The mirror baby...the mirror.


Right on! How many of em you think are really gonna get this one?



Memaw. -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/5/2008 1:45:22 AM)

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Right on! How many of em you think are really gonna get this one?


Self glorification



OneJohn410 -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/5/2008 1:56:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: iampiper13

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ORIGINAL: bob97

The root of all evil is Adam or man. Adam sinned and caused sin to enter the world. Before Adam sinned there was no evil, the creation was prefect.

Bob

But when was satans fall? Was it before Adam? If so wouldn't that make satan the root of all evil? I'm not denying that man is sinful. This post has gone alot deeper then I planned on, pretty cool lol


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[The root (cause) of human evil is Satan, the evil one. Just as the root of human good, is God. The root of Satan's evil was an uncaused choice to pursue the lie of independent-self.


What is the root of all evil? Iampiper13, I've got to echo that this is a great question for all kinds of debate. As for asking that in heaven, I'm not expecting much to care at that point to ask. I'd expect any thought of evil or its source at that point to be totally mooted. What do any of us know? Maybe there'll be a short film in the first hour of eternity for any interested on All the Questions You Wanted to Know the Answers to About Your Former Life Yet Couldn't Discern the Answer to Them. That's always been a play on words about things, but I doubt there'll be a realized need then.

If it is said that Satan is the root of all evil, and you've mentioned his fall, then it could be easy to forget that wasn't always his name, that hell not his first residence. He (Lucifer at one time) was high up in the ranks of angels, and that when he was cast down, so were a third of the angels... a lot of them. He was an angel who wanted to be as God is. So somewhere in there, he coveted God's place. Satan did not tempt Lucifer. There's a lot of depiction of Satan enjoying himself in hell, too. How he cooks up specail ways to punish the wicked who join him there. That's got some humor to it at times, but God hasn't put him anywhere he can enjoy where he is. Satan is banned from heaven, and his final place is of eternal punishment. Satan is not happy at all.

Lucifer's ___________, whatever term is used in heaven to refer to a wanting to be as God alone is. That's my answer. In earthspeak that's covetousness.



1love1God1way -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/5/2008 2:22:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bob97


Good question iampiper and is subject to debate but in my opinion and understanding Satan's fall was at the point of tempting Eve.

The fall of mankind was when God cursed the earth and mankind...as well as Satan.



Bob,

I had actually never really considered this before, but it is quite interesting. Thanks for challenging my thinking a bit. I'm going to have to mull this over some more.



URForgiven -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/5/2008 10:44:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bob97

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But when was satans fall? Was it before Adam? If so wouldn't that make satan the root of all evil? I'm not denying that man is sinful. This post has gone alot deeper then I planned on, pretty cool lol


Good question iampiper and is subject to debate but in my opinion and understanding Satan's fall was at the point of tempting Eve.

The fall of mankind was when God cursed the earth and mankind...as well as Satan.

Bob


I am curious as to how Satan's fall could have occurred at the point of tempting Eve. Temptation is being tempted to evil, Satan was tempting Eve with evil, which means he had to already have been evil. His temptation was obviously the outworking of his evilness. And he was successful in his evil desire to become god, if only god of this world, and even that only temporarily.

Also, if the fall of mankind was when God cursed the earth and mankind, how is it that Adam and Eve had already discovered they were naked? How is it, that in the day that they ate...they died, and now found it necessary to physically hide from the One who had once spiritually indwelt them? Was Gods curse the fall, or was God's curse the result of mans fall?

Peace



1love1God1way -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/5/2008 11:41:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: URForgiven


I am curious as to how Satan's fall could have occurred at the point of tempting Eve. Temptation is being tempted to evil, Satan was tempting Eve with evil, which means he had to already have been evil. His temptation was obviously the outworking of his evilness. And he was successful in his evil desire to become god, if only god of this world, and even that only temporarily.



Why do you have to be evil to do evil?

Obviously, at some point, one way or another, a non-evil being committed evil.



bob97 -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/6/2008 12:07:00 AM)

Genesis 3:14 - 15 (KJV) 14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

If God places a curse on someone at a specific point we would have to assume that prior to that point they were not cursed. God curses Satan after tempting Eve so I have to assume that he was not cursed prior to that point.

Read the book of Enoch sometime…I know it’s not a part of the canon but it does have a perspective of the tempting of mankind and the fall of Satan. Is it true…I always seem to remember it when I consider the events of the fallen angels.

Bob



URForgiven -> RE: Root of all evil? (10/6/2008 12:09:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way

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ORIGINAL: URForgiven


I am curious as to how Satan's fall could have occurred at the point of tempting Eve. Temptation is being tempted to evil, Satan was tempting Eve with evil, which means he had to already have been evil. His temptation was obviously the outworking of his evilness. And he was successful in his evil desire to become god, if only god of this world, and even that only temporarily.



Why do you have to be evil to do evil?

Obviously, at some point, one way or another, a non-evil being committed evil.


How does one that is not evil, temp someone with evil?



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