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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/4/2008 1:05:25 PM
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Lizahana
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I was listening to someone who is very passionately AGAINST abortions. You know Obama is pro-abortion. now, if you vote for obama because you like everything about him in spite of that one issue that you must accept along with his other good qualities. but no, all those other good qualities are ignored, coz all your doing is voting for a baby killer. thats according to this one lady. I cant agree and i think that is an unfair burden to put upon me. Obama is not out there killing babies!!!! but no, some christians think that way. and putting fear into me that im going to like dammed to hell for voting obama because of that one stupid abortion issue!.
this election seems to make the two candidates one or two issues. But I dont think its fair that i have to vote for an angry old man mccain, just so that I wont have the blame put on me that now im somehow going to be blamed for abortions just coz i voted for obama.
its as if I am being blamed for all the alcoholics in the world if I buy groceries at a store that also sells alcohol even though i just am buying food items.
Now if voting for obama makes me responsible for all the abortions in the world, now im scared into voting for that crabby ol mccain.
is that really fair?
hey if i wanted to stop abortions, i would be out there protesting and shutting down abortion clinics. but im not even doing that. so now voting for obama is going to automatically make me responsible for all the abortions in the world?????????????
is that fair of that person to even put that on me?
I'm also a Christian and voting for Obama - please, don't let them scare you - it's a blatant scare tactic. I have argued with many before about this very issue - and will not with them again.
When you bring up the fact that McCain is co-leader of the Gang of 14 - an agreement between 7 Dems and 7 Republicans to pick more centrist SCJs - they'll say, 'well under this Alito and Roberts were appointed'. And, when you bring up the fact that the Democrats did not have an organized fillibuster (Kerry tried to organize one, but failed) against either of these appointments - they don't have an answer. When you further say that Roberts has PUBLICLY called RVW the settled law of the land - they don't have an answer.
Further, when you bring up the fact that McCain's own stance - to allow abortions ONLY in cases of rape, incest, mothers life endangerment - goes against the Republicans OWN platform and the fact that McCain has tried for years, to get the three aforementioned exceptions onto the platform - they'll only have excuses.
Further, when you bring up the fact that the self-declared champions of the pro-life movement, the Republicans, had THE golden opportunity for 6 years - from 2000-2006 when they controlled 2/3 branches of government, the executive and legislative - to introduce legislaction to outlaw abortions and they did NOT. When you bring this up, you get excuses.
Further, when you bring up the fact that Republican presidents have appointed THE MAJORITY of SCJ in the last 3 DECADES and STILL RVW has not been overturned, you'll still get MORE excuses. Not to mention the FACT that these Republican appointments INCLUDE: Souter (nominated by Bush I), Connor (nominated by Reagan) and Kennedy (nominated by Reagan and highly lauded by consevatives at the time) - the latter which, in 1992, Kennedy had THE deciding vote to overturn RVW in Casey v PP - and did NOT vote to overturn RVW. When you bring up this, and the fact that SCJ appointments is CLEARLY not a tactic that works, because it has NOT worked for decades after mostly Republican-appointed SCJs - you'll get more excuses.
Further, when you bring up the fact that the Senate (who approves SCJ nominations) is controlled by Democrats ; and that RVW is a case of privacy, you'll get more excuses.
When you bring up the fact that there are over a dozen Democrats that score higher than McCain from the nrlc.org, a yardstick that has been used many times here - you'll get more excuses. When you bring up the fact that there are pro-choice Republicans, most notable Arlen Specter, who sits (?), and has sat on many committees including the Judiciary Committee - you'll get more excuses. When you bring up the fact that there are pro-life Democrats, you'll get laughed at.
When you bring up all of the aforementioned, and the fact that you are a pro-life Democrat, and that you want more pro-life Democrats out there - because CLEARLY trying to appoint SCJs has NOT worked for DECADES - you are laughed at.
When you bring this all up, you get laughed at, excuses - when they are all facts that can easily be found - I have posted sources for years here. Given all this, it is obvious to me that some people here, like the person you must have talked to, are so biased towards the Republicans, they refuse to see the flaws of their own party on this issue. I'm not registered to any party - I'm an independent - clearly spme here are registered Republicans even to the point of extreme bias that they refuse to look at the facts. But, as I have said, I have argued this issue for years here, and I will not argue again - because these same people, despite all the sources I have given, still refuse to acknowledge the flaws of the champions of the pro-life movement, the Republicans.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/4/2008 1:07:38 PM
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hey if i wanted to stop abortions, i would be out there protesting and shutting down abortion clinics. but im not even doing that. so now voting for obama is going to automatically make me responsible for all the abortions in the world?????????????
Is that fair of that person to even put that on me?
The answer is no. No one has a right to bully you for your political decisions. That is your exclusive call to make, not someone else's.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/4/2008 2:19:46 PM
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
I'm also a Christian and voting for Obama - please, don't let them scare you - it's a blatant scare tactic. I have argued with many before about this very issue - and will not with them again.
You only "argue" that because Republicans are not any better which isn't true, unless you believe Henry Hyde is a ghost...) it's ok to vote for the person who without a doubt is for abortion, oh an other evil agenda.. You haven not argued about the issue itself... You stay far away and claim it doesn't matter... Completely disingenuous given your statement that you argue the "issue". You ignore the issue and rationalize you support for a pro-abortion candidate by claiming there is no difference, when there is...
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Further, when you bring up the fact that McCain's own stance - to allow abortions ONLY in cases of rape, incest, mothers life endangerment - goes against the Republicans OWN platform and the fact that McCain has tried for years, to get the three aforementioned exceptions onto the platform - they'll only have excuses.
Fact: The stance is more pro-life than Obama's and all of the pro-life Democrats you are so prouf of hold the same belief..
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Further, when you bring up the fact that Republican presidents have appointed THE MAJORITY of SCJ in the last 3 DECADES and STILL RVW has not been overturned, you'll still get MORE excuses. Not to mention the FACT that these Republican appointments INCLUDE: Souter (nominated by Bush I), Connor (nominated by Reagan) and Kennedy (nominated by Reagan and highly lauded by consevatives at the time) - the latter which, in 1992, Kennedy had THE deciding vote to overturn RVW in Casey v PP - and did NOT vote to overturn RVW. When you bring up this, and the fact that SCJ appointments is CLEARLY not a tactic that works, because it has NOT worked for decades after mostly Republican-appointed SCJs - you'll get more excuses.
Fact: The only pro-life folks on the bench are there no because of Democrats...
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Further, when you bring up the fact that the Senate (who approves SCJ nominations) is controlled by Democrats ; and that RVW is a case of privacy, you'll get more excuses.
You do know that he President can appoint without the consent of the Senate...
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When you bring up the fact that there are over a dozen Democrats that score higher than McCain from the nrlc.org, a yardstick that has been used many times here - you'll get more excuses. When you bring up the fact that there are pro-choice Republicans, most notable Arlen Specter, who sits (?), and has sat on many committees including the Judiciary Committee - you'll get more excuses. When you bring up the fact that there are pro-life Democrats, you'll get laughed at.
Fact: Those pro-life Demcrats tow the party line... They vote in the leadership of the party that is without a doubt very pro-abortion... The support the party plank as a whole...
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When you bring up all of the aforementioned, and the fact that you are a pro-life Democrat,
Oops...LOL
I'm not registered to any party - I'm an independent -
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and that you want more pro-life Democrats out there - because CLEARLY trying to appoint SCJs has NOT worked for DECADES - you are laughed at.
Fact: Of course one is laughed at since Pro-life Democrats are about as worthless as McCain on the issue... What good are so-called pro-life folks who vote for pro-abortion leadership and a pro-abortion President? You can't slam McCain without putting the so-called pro-life Democrats in the same boat... Worthless...
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When you bring this all up, you get laughed at, excuses - when they are all facts that can easily be found - I have posted sources for years here. Given all this, it is obvious to me that some people here, like the person you must have talked to, are so biased towards the Republicans, they refuse to see the flaws of their own party on this issue.
The above assumes that everyone against abortion is a Republican flunky... Completely untrue...
The flaws of the party do not make the same as the Democrats... If that was true there would be no Henry Hyde(and others) and NO pro-life Judges on the Bench... Since they are there and were not put there by Democrats there is some amount of difference... To deny so is to deny reality...
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I'm not registered to any party - I'm an independent - clearly spme here are registered Republicans even to the point of extreme bias that they refuse to look at the facts. But, as I have said, I have argued this issue for years here, and I will not argue again - because these same people, despite all the sources I have given, still refuse to acknowledge the flaws of the champions of the pro-life movement, the Republicans.
Many have see the failure of the Republicans... I and many others stopped voting for the party because of it... You are just using them as an excuse to support abortion...
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/4/2008 2:22:11 PM
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hey if i wanted to stop abortions, i would be out there protesting and shutting down abortion clinics. but im not even doing that. so now voting for obama is going to automatically make me responsible for all the abortions in the world?????????????
Is that fair of that person to even put that on me?
The answer is no. No one has a right to bully you for your political decisions. That is your exclusive call to make, not someone else's.
Wrong... People have right to express their position on matters... And if people don't want their choices to be challenge they should remain silent... The right to believe and or act on something comes with the flip side, consequences...
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/4/2008 6:21:50 PM
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hey if i wanted to stop abortions, i would be out there protesting and shutting down abortion clinics. but im not even doing that. so now voting for obama is going to automatically make me responsible for all the abortions in the world?????????????
Is that fair of that person to even put that on me?
The answer is no. No one has a right to bully you for your political decisions. That is your exclusive call to make, not someone else's.
50 million dead. How many million will it take before you quit cooperating?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/4/2008 7:01:33 PM
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Lizahana
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I'm also a Christian and voting for Obama - please, don't let them scare you - it's a blatant scare tactic. I have argued with many before about this very issue - and will not with them again.
You only "argue" that because Republicans are not any better which isn't true, unless you believe Henry Hyde is a ghost...) it's ok to vote for the person who without a doubt is for abortion, oh an other evil agenda.. You haven not argued about the issue itself... You stay far away and claim it doesn't matter... Completely disingenuous given your statement that you argue the "issue". You ignore the issue and rationalize you support for a pro-abortion candidate by claiming there is no difference, when there is...
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Further, when you bring up the fact that McCain's own stance - to allow abortions ONLY in cases of rape, incest, mothers life endangerment - goes against the Republicans OWN platform and the fact that McCain has tried for years, to get the three aforementioned exceptions onto the platform - they'll only have excuses.
Fact: The stance is more pro-life than Obama's and all of the pro-life Democrats you are so prouf of hold the same belief..
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Further, when you bring up the fact that Republican presidents have appointed THE MAJORITY of SCJ in the last 3 DECADES and STILL RVW has not been overturned, you'll still get MORE excuses. Not to mention the FACT that these Republican appointments INCLUDE: Souter (nominated by Bush I), Connor (nominated by Reagan) and Kennedy (nominated by Reagan and highly lauded by consevatives at the time) - the latter which, in 1992, Kennedy had THE deciding vote to overturn RVW in Casey v PP - and did NOT vote to overturn RVW. When you bring up this, and the fact that SCJ appointments is CLEARLY not a tactic that works, because it has NOT worked for decades after mostly Republican-appointed SCJs - you'll get more excuses.
Fact: The only pro-life folks on the bench are there no because of Democrats...
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Further, when you bring up the fact that the Senate (who approves SCJ nominations) is controlled by Democrats ; and that RVW is a case of privacy, you'll get more excuses.
You do know that he President can appoint without the consent of the Senate...
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When you bring up the fact that there are over a dozen Democrats that score higher than McCain from the nrlc.org, a yardstick that has been used many times here - you'll get more excuses. When you bring up the fact that there are pro-choice Republicans, most notable Arlen Specter, who sits (?), and has sat on many committees including the Judiciary Committee - you'll get more excuses. When you bring up the fact that there are pro-life Democrats, you'll get laughed at.
Fact: Those pro-life Demcrats tow the party line... They vote in the leadership of the party that is without a doubt very pro-abortion... The support the party plank as a whole...
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When you bring up all of the aforementioned, and the fact that you are a pro-life Democrat,
Oops...LOL
I'm not registered to any party - I'm an independent -
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and that you want more pro-life Democrats out there - because CLEARLY trying to appoint SCJs has NOT worked for DECADES - you are laughed at.
Fact: Of course one is laughed at since Pro-life Democrats are about as worthless as McCain on the issue... What good are so-called pro-life folks who vote for pro-abortion leadership and a pro-abortion President? You can't slam McCain without putting the so-called pro-life Democrats in the same boat... Worthless...
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When you bring this all up, you get laughed at, excuses - when they are all facts that can easily be found - I have posted sources for years here. Given all this, it is obvious to me that some people here, like the person you must have talked to, are so biased towards the Republicans, they refuse to see the flaws of their own party on this issue.
The above assumes that everyone against abortion is a Republican flunky... Completely untrue...
The flaws of the party do not make the same as the Democrats... If that was true there would be no Henry Hyde(and others) and NO pro-life Judges on the Bench... Since they are there and were not put there by Democrats there is some amount of difference... To deny so is to deny reality...
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I'm not registered to any party - I'm an independent - clearly spme here are registered Republicans even to the point of extreme bias that they refuse to look at the facts. But, as I have said, I have argued this issue for years here, and I will not argue again - because these same people, despite all the sources I have given, still refuse to acknowledge the flaws of the champions of the pro-life movement, the Republicans.
Many have see the failure of the Republicans... I and many others stopped voting for the party because of it... You are just using them as an excuse to support abortion...
John,
1. Nope - my point is, and always has been, that Republicans champion this cause, and by doing so, they should have reversed RVW by now, with a 6 year stint controlling both the executive and legislative branches - a missed GOLDEN opportunity.; they have appointed the MOST SCJs in the last 3 DECADES and still RVW has not been overturned.
2. No excuse, John. If the Republicans want to champion themselves as the more moral, pro-life party, then they should as heck better put people at the helm that at least support their own platform on the issue. And I might remind you, John, even with McCain's stance with the 3 exceptions - there are STILL over a dozen Democrats that score higher than McCain on nrlc.org!  But, no, shhhhhh...we don't want to talk about that fact, do we ?!
3. John, this STILL does not somehow excuse the fact that Republican presidents have appointed THE MAJORITY of SCJ in the last 3 DECADES and STILL RVW has not been overturned. Not to mention the FACT that these Republican appointments INCLUDE: Souter (nominated by Bush I), Connor (nominated by Reagan) and Kennedy (nominated by Reagan and highly lauded by consevatives at the time) - the latter which, in 1992, Kennedy had THE deciding vote to overturn RVW in Casey v PP - and did NOT vote to overturn RVW. Your statement is just excusing the so-called princes of the pro-life movement, the Republicans.
4. Article II, Section 2, paragraph 2 of the United States Constitution states:
"[The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments."
5. Well, I'm praying there are more pro-life Democrats, John. I could give 2 hoots what you think about them.
6. Um, John - I am not registered to any party - so yes, I am an independent. The reason I am is because I agree with the Democrats on all issues except abortion -therefore, I call myself either an independent or a pro-life Democrat.
7. Good for you for saying so, John. I happen to think that if there were more pro-life Democrats, more could be done since it is painfully obvious that going thru SCJ appointments clearly is NOT working - given the fact in 3. above.
8. John, the Republicans crown themselves as the princes of the pro-life movement and do not live up to it - when you stick your neck out like that - then, yes, they deserve the criticism.
9. Nope - see 8.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/4/2008 7:09:16 PM
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You only "argue" that because Republicans are not any better which isn't true, unless you believe Henry Hyde is a ghost...
Um, Hyde is dead.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/4/2008 7:40:20 PM
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Stephanie - yesterday i was extremely burdened to the point where I felt that i wanted to give up being with christians. but i didn't want to give up Jesus. and today im still here.
yes it can happen - that we can get so hurted by our fellow chirsitans that its as if we get so extremely disheartened, remember we are to watch that we dont put a stumblingblock in front of each other,, this is exactly why. it can cause much despair.
but feeling the weight of this guilt heaped on me really did make me feel worse than despair. I dont know if you've ever felt that bad, but it can happen. I just have to trust the Lord will bring me thru this. not that i deserve it, im the wretch that the song Amazing Grace talks about.
I personally do not believe that if i vote for someone pro life that is automatically gonna assuage my guilt and make me say "ah oh im just fine and dandy now that i've pressed the button for mccain, im off the hook of all the future abortions happening since November 4th election day... meanwhile I dont think its right or fair to blame someone when they do press the button for Obama that NOW they are responsible for all the abortions happening.
I am saying, please dont think your off the hook for stoppng abortions just coz you pressed one button November 4 and you think ok ive done my duty, i can sit on my hiney and do nothing and im justified.
I do not put my faith in a man that he is now the savior of stopping abortions. If anyone thinks that, they woule be mistaken. I put my faith not in any man, for anything, period!
If you really want to do something about stopping abortions, do something more than justify yourself by pressing the button for mccain. You should be out there every day doing something.. coz on that same logic if your not, then your inadvertently contributing to abortion every time you do not actively do something about it.
but to my original post, we christians can be extremely irritating even to each other. Please dont ever stomp so hard for a cause that it causes someone to despair as bad as I felt the other day. ((yes i know that someone is gonna chime in and say I deserve to feel despair because an aborted baby sure feels it,,,, or something like that)). And please dont think that I hate the unborn just coz i may not press the button for mccain. and thank you Stephanie for remembering me here, as Im sure someone prolly thinks im the biggest troll in town.
Anyone who bleieves in God's providence and God's sovereignty ought to know that if I go into the voting booth, and press the button, it will be who God wishes me to , coz he is stronger than my finger. I could get into the subject of God's wrath giving America a Pharoah or a King Saul for president, with all the sin going on, im not suprised God has not already judged America. God could use the next president to display God's wrath for all the sin going on in America. So either way, Obama or Mccain, God will be glorified in one way or another.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 12:06:18 AM
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Now if voting for obama makes me responsible for all the abortions in the world, now im scared into voting for that crabby ol mccain.
is that really fair?
is that fair of that person to even put that on me?
Truth hurts sometimes doesn't it.
If you vote for an abortionist, you are an abortionist by proxy.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 12:19:43 AM
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Truth hurts sometimes doesn't it.
If you vote for an abortionist, you are an abortionist by proxy.
Oh, I ain't going to sweat it.
FreddieD
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 1:13:34 AM
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i understand not everyone is black and white in thier thinking but is it really possible to vote for a person and not be responsible for the things he is stating he will do? is that not the reason we listen to debates and search voting records? it is not a popularity contest. for a christian it has to be about what God will be glorified in and nothong else because nothing else matters.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 8:35:18 AM
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Stephanie - yesterday i was extremely burdened to the point where I felt that i wanted to give up being with christians. but i didn't want to give up Jesus. and today im still here.
There is a thing in the scriptures called the rapture
And In that principal of the rapture Jesus comes for His own =Chriaitians, so if one was to give up on Chritisns then one is actually giving up on Jesus, therefore the law of God dictates that Jesus will give up on us.
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yes it can happen - that we can get so hurted by our fellow chirsitans that its as if we get so extremely disheartened, remember we are to watch that we dont put a stumblingblock in front of each other,, this is exactly why. it can cause much despair.
Greetings
The biggest stumbling block for anyone in most cases is wisdom, many cannot stand corrected.....and being corrected is not the stumbling block Paul was speaking of as in the way you present it:
The wisdom is..... if you put a stump (any obstacle) in the path of a blind man, the man will trip over it and fall.
But the key to the wisdom of it....is that Christ does not raise blind men and God will not dictate to anyone who to vote for... the same as He did in the Garden with Adam , the same as He does with us.
God already gave the command (his word) and was no where to be found or was present when Adam made the choice…… and in addition to that if we pay attention “God”…. did not show up until Adam did make that choice, and wielded “to them” His will accordingly.
LG
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 9:06:21 AM
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To all Democrats/Obama supporters,
50 million dead since Death Roe. How many million will it take before you stop helping?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 9:43:08 AM
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So if I vote for Barr, who is anti-abortion, does that make me automatically not responsible for any abortion ever?
I won't vote for Obama because he's a socialist. I probably won't vote for McCain because he's also a socialist, although more covert than Obama.
I think it's fascinating that so many people have the abortion issue, one way or the other, as the "deal breaker" for the election.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 9:44:22 AM
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To all Democrats/Obama supporters,
50 million dead since Death Roe. How many million will it take before you stop helping?
Many Dems say ..well because Obama has a good heart in other areas that they should just look over the right to life..
Well the right to life is not AN OPTION to what the Bible mentions as a temptation that is common to man, simply because man did not create it in the first place…
But they fail to recognize that a little leaven spoils’ the whole lump…. and a very small piece of this lump can be viewed here http://forums.crosswalk.com/m_3866891/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#3866891
LG
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 9:59:19 AM
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To all Democrats/Obama supporters,
50 million dead since Death Roe. How many million will it take before you stop helping?
Do you really believe that a McCain presidency will see the end of abortion, or the overturn of Roe, or anything else like that? That's an incredibly naive position.
McCain will probably lose, but if he does win, it will be funny to see all of the tongue-biting, mouth-foaming rage on the part of his supporters when they realize he can't, or won't, deliver on issues like abortion or taxes.
Don't vote for McCain or Obama. Vote for Barr. He's anti-abortion, so you ought to like him.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 10:29:50 AM
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LoyalGypsy
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ORIGINAL: ekserekseez
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To all Democrats/Obama supporters,
50 million dead since Death Roe. How many million will it take before you stop helping?
Do you really believe that a McCain presidency will see the end of abortion, or the overturn of Roe, or anything else like that? That's an incredibly naive position.
McCain will probably lose, but if he does win, it will be funny to see all of the tongue-biting, mouth-foaming rage on the part of his supporters when they realize he can't, or won't, deliver on issues like abortion or taxes.
Don't vote for McCain or Obama. Vote for Barr. He's anti-abortion, so you ought to like him.
Greetings,
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Do you really believe that a McCain presidency will see the end of abortion, or the overturn of Roe, or anything else like that? That's an incredibly naive position.
Oh yea, Roe, or anything else like that...within the first 2 years
....If it were that naive, then why are they... "not us" ...so persistent to keep us out?
Why do you think this principal is written the way it is..
Mt 2:16 - Show Context
When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi , he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi .
The purpose of that principal was to stop the first advent, what is going on today is to stop the second...
in accordance with the time he had learned… not from the Magi… "but from the Church.
Re 12:12 - Show Context
Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you!
“He is filled”.. with fury, (Mat 2:16) because he knows that his time is short."
I'll give a personal prophecy based on the scriptures above…. that somewhere around or into the "second year" after McCain wins this election that we will at the least see the over-turning of Roe vs Wade, not just to spite the DEM positions …but ...because God always works in equal increments of 2 years “and” under to 2 Years “or” under ...otherwise... it would not cause the devil to be furious 
LG
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Ex 19:5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice
...So the Persians ask that the 300 drop their arms. Leonidas responds; "Persians! Come and get them!"
300 The Movie
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 10:32:47 AM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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ORIGINAL: ekserekseez
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To all Democrats/Obama supporters,
50 million dead since Death Roe. How many million will it take before you stop helping?
Do you really believe that a McCain presidency will see the end of abortion, or the overturn of Roe, or anything else like that? That's an incredibly naive position.
McCain will probably lose, but if he does win, it will be funny to see all of the tongue-biting, mouth-foaming rage on the part of his supporters when they realize he can't, or won't, deliver on issues like abortion or taxes.
Don't vote for McCain or Obama. Vote for Barr. He's anti-abortion, so you ought to like him.
Ekserekseez - thats the way i see it. and also what the above poster said - does a vote for anti-abortion Barr mean Im automatically NOT responsible for any abortions?
To Gypsy - I've been on Christianity.com since Jan 2006. I come here when i have time and energy. I'm not just here for the elections only.
actually really, let me ask you all apersonal question - please be honest -
If you vote for mccain and he wins, and abortion still goes on - does that make you responsible - or not responsible - for abortions? Does that one second it took to press that button for mccain now absolve you of anything as to the future abortions going on just coz you pressed that little button?
Because you know, it will take everyone of us to work to stop it, not just feeling justified that we pressed a button for some candidate that we dont know what he will be able to do or not. I'd say that if we are not doing something EVERYDAY we are part of the problem and not the solution.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 10:39:02 AM
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