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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 2:00:56 PM
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But if you would have opposed lawmakers who made it very easy and more culturally acceptable for her to have the abortion SHE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET ONE. Congratulations, you are an enabler of infanticide.
lol - that's right, because when something is "against the law" it is abolished from the land. If someone is determined to get an abortion they will get one.
Because people will and do break the law isn't a just cause to support the behavior and or laws against unlawful acts... People lie daily, so we should toss perjury laws out the window?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 2:02:46 PM
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So your argument, if I hear you correctly, is that it is only immoral or wrong if everyone dies. Abortion would be OK if not all of them resulted in death, right?
Abortion is inherently evil, gun ownership is not...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 2:10:47 PM
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Lets see.
82 people a day die because of guns in the US.
114 people die each day due to car accidents.
over 2000 die each day due to abortion.
Perhaps we should adjust our concern accordingly.
When people die by gun violence it affects more people. It rips families, friends, students and the world apart.
Before I start, I just want to say, I may only be nineteen, but I have prayed about it and I have
a very strong opinion on what I believe on this subject, please, just hear me out, okay?
I agree with you to an extent, yes, people dying by gun violence and car accidents hurts
everyone around them. But, babies are just as important to God and to me, I believe it rips the
heart of God when he watches those doctors murder them. And do you know why I believe it?
Because in Matthew 19:14 Jesus said "...allow the little ones to come to Me, and do not forbid
them, for of such as these is the kingdom of Heaven composed." Children are close to
God's heart, and they should be ours too. I don't think the real question here is who we vote for
or who we think will be best in the office, the true question is who will try to make a difference?
The bottom line is- abortion is murder, it is taking an innocent human beings life, and if that
doesn't just rip your heart out to think about, maybe you should pray for God to soften your
heart and to teach your heart to break for the things that breaks His. If you want to throw fire
at me for believing this way, then go ahead, but I for one can't just stand by and not at least
speak out for the thousand of innocent babies that we throw away every single day. That's all I
have to say on this and may God lead you to vote for whoever you think is best.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 2:17:09 PM
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Really? The Democratic Party's only line is that they support abortion? I don't think it's so much of a support of abortion as it is the support of keeping government out of people's private lives.
Privacy is the rational, killing unborn children is the result no matter why and what is claimed... There is no just cause for doing so regardless of how it's packaged...
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Is America a theocracy? The last time I checked, it wasn't.
If laws against murder in the womb are liken to a theocracy how are not those laws against murder outside the womb... I suggest you remove all biblical precepts from our laws and see how things work...
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Remember James 1:27? Read that verse, and then tell me where in that verse where it says we have to try and outlaw EVERYTHING that's against our beliefs.
Where is a verse that says Christians should support laws and agendas that are clearly against God's word... The bible is clear they we are to obey God over man... We are to honor the king(man's law) yet we are to FEAR God... As well Peter said we should obey God before man...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 2:18:45 PM
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Lets see.
82 people a day die because of guns in the US.
114 people die each day due to car accidents.
over 2000 die each day due to abortion.
Perhaps we should adjust our concern accordingly.
When people die by gun violence it affects more people. It rips families, friends, students and the world apart.
Apart? Divorce does that more than isolated gun deaths. So shouldn't we repeal the 1968 no fault divorce laws too? Or are you not concerned about that kind of ripping apart?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 2:21:49 PM
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 2:23:31 PM
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I really respect your opinion, but the bible also says God does not show favortism. No one life is greater than another. A great majority of those killed by guns are children. There are some things in this world try as we might, we cannot change. Just like Jesus said, " there will be poor always".
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 2:28:59 PM
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I really respect your opinion, but the bible also says God does not show favoritism. No one life is greater than another. A great majority of those killed by guns are children. There are some things in this world try as we might, we cannot change. Just like Jesus said, " there will be poor always".
Oh, no! I wasn't trying to show favoritism or say God loved someone else more. I'm just
saying we should care what happens to the unborn, that's all. If I could, I would take as many
of them home with me as they would let me, but I can't so it just rips my heart out of my chest.
I just want to point out the fact that even though they are unborn, they are still human beings.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 2:29:19 PM
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Lets see.
82 people a day die because of guns in the US.
114 people die each day due to car accidents.
over 2000 die each day due to abortion.
Perhaps we should adjust our concern accordingly.
When people die by gun violence it affects more people. It rips families, friends, students and the world apart.
Apart? Divorce does that more than isolated gun deaths. So shouldn't we repeal the 1968 no fault divorce laws too? Or are you not concerned about that kind of ripping apart?
You totally went out in left field from the point I was making but since you went there, of course I am against divorce. I have heard nothing about this issue from the candidates. McCain though would have a hard time supporting this issue.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 2:33:48 PM
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GUN VIOLENCE: THE STAGGERING STATISTICS
Economic Cost of Gun Violence: $100 Billion annual overall cost
Most victims are uninsured (debts are paid by public taxpayers)
(Cook & Ludwig) Breakdown in Cost by Incident
$22,400 each for unintentional shooting $18,400 each for gun assault injuries
$5,400 each by suicide
(Ted R. Miller & Mark A. Cohen ;The Cost of Gunshot & Stab wounds’’ Accident analysis and Prevention 1997)
Indirect Cost: (re: lost of productivity, mental healthcare, emergency transport, and insurance administration)
$2.8 Million per firearm fatality $249,000 per hospitalization for gunshot victim
$73,000 per emergency room visit for released gunshot victims
Edited TOS 8
campbe33,
Would you please provide a link to this article? Thank you.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 2:34:34 PM
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When people die by gun violence it affects more people. It rips families, friends, students and the world apart.
Sure, as do car accidents; but abortion literally and intentionally rips a human being apart.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 2:47:18 PM
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When people die by gun violence it affects more people. It rips families, friends, students and the world apart.
Sure, as do car accidents; but abortion literally and intentionally rips a human being apart.
So do gunshot wounds. Shooting someone can be intentional or unintentional.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 3:53:21 PM
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Lets see.
82 people a day die because of guns in the US.
114 people die each day due to car accidents.
over 2000 die each day due to abortion.
Perhaps we should adjust our concern accordingly.
When people die by gun violence it affects more people. It rips families, friends, students and the world apart.
Before I start, I just want to say, I may only be nineteen, but I have prayed about it and I have a very strong opinion on what I believe on this subject, please, just hear me out, okay?
I agree with you to an extent, yes, people dying by gun violence and car accidents hurts
everyone around them. But, babies are just as important to God and to me, I believe it rips the heart of God when he watches those doctors murder them.
We also do not believe in abortion, but we just dont like the Republican candidate for president and we dont like being expected to vote for him because of that one issue.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 3:58:07 PM
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Lets see.
82 people a day die because of guns in the US.
114 people die each day due to car accidents.
over 2000 die each day due to abortion.
Perhaps we should adjust our concern accordingly.
When people die by gun violence it affects more people. It rips families, friends, students and the world apart.
Before I start, I just want to say, I may only be nineteen, but I have prayed about it and I have a very strong opinion on what I believe on this subject, please, just hear me out, okay?
I agree with you to an extent, yes, people dying by gun violence and car accidents hurts
everyone around them. But, babies are just as important to God and to me, I believe it rips the heart of God when he watches those doctors murder them.
We also do not believe in abortion, but we just dont like the Republican candidate for president and we dont like being expected to vote for him because of that one issue.
Okay, so don't vote for him, but I am sure the Democrat candidate has issues of his own also,
because, everyone has an issue about something, we're human!
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 4:05:38 PM
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When people die by gun violence it affects more people. It rips families, friends, students and the world apart.
Sure, as do car accidents; but abortion literally and intentionally rips a human being apart.
So do gunshot wounds. Shooting someone can be intentional or unintentional.
Abortion is always intentional... It's a method of murder...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 4:25:48 PM
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We also do not believe in abortion, but we just dont like the Republican candidate for president and we dont like being expected to vote for him because of that one issue.
How many issues does it have to be? If a candidate supported pedophilia would that be enough?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 4:29:27 PM
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We also do not believe in abortion, but we just dont like the Republican candidate for president and we dont like being expected to vote for him because of that one issue.
How many issues does it have to be? If a candidate supported pedophilia would that be enough?
Since Obama nor mccain are in favor of pedophilia, then that is not an issue in this campaign.
and now you have introduced a red herring to this topic, which has gone to the absurd.
we can list a whole lot of depravity for the sake of this argument, however, no one is going that far. lets see, "if obma wanted to stand on his head on election day, does that make him a good candidate" or "if obama wanted to tatoo everyone with a picture of a zither, does that make him a bad candidate" I mean COME ON NOW! dont start with the ridiculous comparion of "pedophilia" and all that. You know what i would say to that one!!!!" sheesh
As a mater of fact, Soverign Is he, if you can link me to where you can find either candidate is rooting for pedophile rights, i'd love to see it.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 4:36:07 PM
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 4:38:07 PM
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We also do not believe in abortion, but we just dont like the Republican candidate for president and we dont like being expected to vote for him because of that one issue.
How many issues does it have to be? If a candidate supported pedophilia would that be enough?
Since Obama nor mccain are in favor of pedophilia, then that is not an issue in this campaign.
and now you have introduced a red herring to this topic, which has gone to the absurd.
we can list a whole lot of depravity for the sake of this argument, however, no one is going that far. lets see, "if obma wanted to stand on his head on election day, does that make him a good candidate" or "if obama wanted to tatoo everyone with a picture of a zither, does that make him a bad candidate" I mean COME ON NOW! dont start with the ridiculous comparion of "pedophilia" and all that. You know what i would say to that one!!!!" sheesh
As a mater of fact, Soverign Is he, if you can link me to where you can find either candidate is rooting for pedophile rights, i'd love to see it.
We have one that supports the killing of them... Is that any worse than rape?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 4:41:52 PM
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We also do not believe in abortion, but we just dont like the Republican candidate for president and we dont like being expected to vote for him because of that one issue.
How many issues does it have to be? If a candidate supported pedophilia would that be enough?
Since Obama nor mccain are in favor of pedophilia, then that is not an issue in this campaign.
and now you have introduced a red herring to this topic, which has gone to the absurd.
we can list a whole lot of depravity for the sake of this argument, however, no one is going that far. lets see, "if obma wanted to stand on his head on election day, does that make him a good candidate" or "if obama wanted to tatoo everyone with a picture of a zither, does that make him a bad candidate" I mean COME ON NOW! dont start with the ridiculous comparion of "pedophilia" and all that. You know what i would say to that one!!!!" sheesh
As a mater of fact, Soverign Is he, if you can link me to where you can find either candidate is rooting for pedophile rights, i'd love to see it.
Btw... I proposed pedophilia to see if there was A issue that would make a candidate regardless of his or her other view disqualified... Yes I picked something people are generally disgusted by on purpose... With that in mind, would that issue cause you to not vote for a person?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 4:42:39 PM
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We also do not believe in abortion, but we just dont like the Republican candidate for president and we dont like being expected to vote for him because of that one issue.
How many issues does it have to be? If a candidate supported pedophilia would that be enough?
Since Obama nor mccain are in favor of pedophilia, then that is not an issue in this campaign.
and now you have introduced a red herring to this topic, which has gone to the absurd.
we can list a whole lot of depravity for the sake of this argument, however, no one is going that far. lets see, "if obma wanted to stand on his head on election day, does that make him a good candidate" or "if obama wanted to tatoo everyone with a picture of a zither, does that make him a bad candidate" I mean COME ON NOW! dont start with the ridiculous comparion of "pedophilia" and all that. You know what i would say to that one!!!!" sheesh
As a mater of fact, Soverign Is he, if you can link me to where you can find either candidate is rooting for pedophile rights, i'd love to see it.
We have one that supports the killing of them... Is that any worse than rape?
YOU brought up the pedophilia thing - the day you can find me where either candidate is pulling for pedophilia rights, then we will talk about your comparison! ((((rolls eyes at Soverign-Is-he)))) ;)
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 4:46:34 PM
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YOU brought up the pedophilia thing - the day you can find me where either candidate is pulling for pedophilia rights, then we will talk about your comparison!
I think John was apparently trying to find out what the worse thing a candidate could advocate and still get your support; apparently it is somewhere between murder and pedophilia. Not quite sure how narrow a line that is though.
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YOU brought up the pedophilia thing - the day you can find me where either candidate is pulling for pedophilia rights, then we will talk about your comparison!
I think John was apparently trying to find out what the worse thing a candidate could advocate and still get your support; apparently it is somewhere between murder and pedophilia. Not quite sure how narrow a line that is though.
ok ok i will bite..! :) - Even if Mccain was in favor of pedophilia rights, I STILL would not vote for him! so you see, nothing can make me like him.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 4:59:59 PM
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Even if Mccain was in favor of pedophilia rights, I STILL would not vote for him! so you see, nothing can make me like him.
And what about Obama, if endorsing the murder of the unborn isn't bad enough to stop you from supporting him, what would be?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/8/2008 5:06:34 PM
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Even if Mccain was in favor of pedophilia rights, I STILL would not vote for him! so you see, nothing can make me like him.
And what about Obama, if endorsing the murder of the unborn isn't bad enough to stop you from supporting him, what would be?
But it's okay for those to be murdered via wars?
Neither is okay and if you really took the time to be as objective as you say you are, then you'll know he's not really pro abortion, no candidate really is, but he is for women's right in that arena, meaning if they were raped or what have you, then the choice should be available for them.
Back to the original posters post, what she heard was from some extreme right, conservative Christian. Not all Christians are like that, it doesn't mean we're less of a Christian to vote for someone who would want advocate a women's right to chose if she were in that situation. No Christian should be questioned about their faith based on political issues... I forgot when it was okay and alright to question fellow Christians if that made them less of one or more... or if one party is more of God or less... come on my so-called brothers and sisters in Christ. 
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