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littleamerica -> The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/1/2008 7:09:04 PM)

The birth control pill works in three ways
1. Prevents woman from releasing egg.
2. Thickens cervical mucus, which makes it harder for sperm to reach egg.
3. Can alter lining of uterus so that the fertilized egg cannot implant. The baby therefore starves to death. This is an abortion.

The IUD can change the lining of the uterus, which prevents the fertilized egg from being implanted. It can also slow down sperm from reaching the egg.

You may already know these facts. You may not. Please, warn others who don't know.

Thank you and God bless.



Kath -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/1/2008 8:01:20 PM)

moving from CE to Morality/Ethics



rcjames -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/2/2008 8:47:03 AM)

The IUD is an abortion causing device by design.

Some of the other methods can cause expulsion of the fertilized egg,, some prevent the egg from being fertilized.

It is really wise to understand what happens to one's self when using birth control of any kind.

Thanks
RC



Mrs.X -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/4/2008 2:23:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames
It is really wise to understand what happens to one's self when using birth control of any kind.

Completely agree with RC. It is important to know how any prospective BC will work. While there is no way to change that fact the OP stated with an IUD, but barrier methods or abstinence during the what would-be fertile period while on the pill would prevent an egg from being fertilized in the first place. There are also other hormones which prevent ovulation altogether (no worries of an egg being fertilized since there will be no egg) like Depo Provera and Implanon.



OneOfHisJewels -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/4/2008 1:40:24 PM)

Thanks, Christina, that's pretty close to what I was gonna say...I was gonna say that, yes, some methods of BC are abortive, but some are definitely not...such as condoms, diaphragms, tubals and vasectomies, and others.



ekserekseez -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/5/2008 10:23:37 AM)

Out of curiosity: for those of you who are anti-abortion, do you propose making things like the IUD or the Pill illegal?

Just wondering.



rcjames -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/5/2008 3:49:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ekserekseez

Out of curiosity: for those of you who are anti-abortion, do you propose making things like the IUD or the Pill illegal?

Just wondering.


I think that anything that causes the death of an unborn child is wrong, and I pray daily that the government will come to agreeance on that issue.

And I guess I must ask how do you justify a desire to destroy an innocdent that God has given life?

Thanks
RC



ekserekseez -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/5/2008 4:22:04 PM)

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And I guess I must ask how do you justify a desire to destroy an innocdent that God has given life?


I don't justify it. I just don't care. I don't think it's that big a deal. I know you disagree, but you asked.



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/5/2008 4:37:26 PM)

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Depo Provera


I don't know about the other one, but I know Depo can really do a number on a woman's body, hormones, etc. So can the Pill, for that matter.



deliveredarling -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/6/2008 8:19:35 AM)

I think calling the pill and IUD causes of abortion is really going to far. That is not the purpose for these items. It is not the intent behind these items.

It is for prevention of pregnancy not for abortions. We can take a few isolated incidents and make it out to be the evil of all evils.

It's like saying that guy who was texting and the train wrecked, that texting in all forms causes death.

A rare incident, and spontaneous abortions do happen with or without the help of drugs or doctors. So we should condemn those people too?

This is an extremist notion and lacks credibility. Supports of said notion should re check their thinking, IMHO.



Dona Nobis Pacem -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/8/2008 1:30:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

I think calling the pill and IUD causes of abortion is really going to far. That is not the purpose for these items. It is not the intent behind these items.

It is for prevention of pregnancy not for abortions. We can take a few isolated incidents and make it out to be the evil of all evils.

It's like saying that guy who was texting and the train wrecked, that texting in all forms causes death.

A rare incident, and spontaneous abortions do happen with or without the help of drugs or doctors. So we should condemn those people too?

This is an extremist notion and lacks credibility. Supports of said notion should re check their thinking, IMHO.




Deliveredarling,


Many things labeled as "birth control" do not actually prevent pregnancy.


These are called abortifacients and it is not the purpose and intent behind these items to prevent pregnancy, it is there purpose and intent to terminate a pregnancy.


Their use is not relegated to a few isolated incidents.


Peace,
DNP



deliveredarling -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/8/2008 5:06:11 PM)

This honestly sounds about as absurd to me as saying that a woman who is menstruating is allowing the possibility of life, to die.[8|]

The purpose of birth control is, to control birth[sm=icon_smile_faint.gif], to prevent pregnancy.

If you are referring to the morning after pill, that is a different story.
On this thread we are talking about the forms of birth control mentioned in the title.



clag4christ -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/8/2008 5:40:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

This honestly sounds about as absurd to me as saying that a woman who is menstruating is allowing the possibility of life, to die.[8|]

The purpose of birth control is, to control birth[sm=icon_smile_faint.gif], to prevent pregnancy.

If you are referring to the morning after pill, that is a different story.
On this thread we are talking about the forms of birth control mentioned in the title.


I'm not sure you're understanding...the primary purpose of IUD's and the various pills out there is to prevent ovulation. Sometimes this doesn't occur, as evidenced by so many women becoming pregnant *on* the pill. When the pill or an IUD fails to prevent ovulation the secondary purpose of them is to make the womb inhospitible for the deveolping embryo (baby) thus causing an abortion.

In normal monthly menstruation where an egg is not fertilized there can be no possibility of life dying since there is no life present. An egg is not life...



deliveredarling -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/8/2008 7:38:02 PM)

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the primary purpose of IUD's and the various pills out there is to prevent ovulation.



Thus preventing pregnancy........

If a sperm does get through, I can see how the pregnancy could end badly. However, it is not an intentional use of contraception for the purpose of abortion.

What I am hearing is that these methods of birth control are for the sole purpose of abortion. That simply is not the truth.

I also hear guilt trips for the people who choose to be responsible while having sexual relations. That in my book is just....wrong.



Ps103 -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/8/2008 10:48:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

I think calling the pill and IUD causes of abortion is really going to far. That is not the purpose for these items. It is not the intent behind these items.

It is for prevention of pregnancy not for abortions. We can take a few isolated incidents and make it out to be the evil of all evils.

It's like saying that guy who was texting and the train wrecked, that texting in all forms causes death.

A rare incident, and spontaneous abortions do happen with or without the help of drugs or doctors. So we should condemn those people too?

This is an extremist notion and lacks credibility. Supports of said notion should re check their thinking, IMHO.


There *is* a difference between "birth control" and "contraception," even though most use the terms to mean the same thing. They do not. "Contraception" prevents conception; "birth control" prevents birth.

BCPs and IUDs are birth control.



TammyIsBlessed -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/9/2008 12:11:00 AM)

The abortifacient effect is ONE OF THE INTENTIONS of the pill. It doesn't matter if it's not the primary intention. The intention is still there.



Mrs.X -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/9/2008 1:32:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: 3cappuccinosmom

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Depo Provera


I don't know about the other one, but I know Depo can really do a number on a woman's body, hormones, etc. So can the Pill, for that matter.

Yeah, it really can. It is one of the few forms of BC that is OK with my morals (and preference) though, so I'm willing to make the sacrifice. But, it does really suck to be on it. Implanon is similar, it works the same way as Depo, but they insert a rod into your arm that stays there for 3 years. It's basically long-term Depo.



Mrs.X -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/9/2008 1:39:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ekserekseez

Out of curiosity: for those of you who are anti-abortion, do you propose making things like the IUD or the Pill illegal?

Just wondering.

I would support IUDs becoming illegal, not BCPs though. I know a woman who had a very diffficult time finding BC that worked for her...they would make her wacky or bleed forever, and she found something that finally worked for her; it is an abortificient one though, so she simply uses condoms during what would be her fertile time. I don't think that is possible to determine what would be a fertile time with an IUD though, so that is why I oppose the IUD completely. I could be wrong though.



drmark -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/9/2008 3:35:37 PM)

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I'm not sure you're understanding...the primary purpose of IUD's and the various pills out there is to prevent ovulation.
No, c4c, that is not medically correct. The "primary purpose" of an IUD is to prevent implantation in the uterine lining. A few of these devices may have hormonal substances added to their design, but that does not change their basic mechanism of action which is to alter the local environment of the uterus for implantation. On the other hand, the "primary purpose" of an OCP is to prevent ovulation by "tricking" the ovaries into seeing a pseudo-pregnant state. There may be additional effects on the uterus which complicate implantation, but these are secondary mechanisms of effect on preganancy.



clag4christ -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/9/2008 5:04:55 PM)

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I also hear guilt trips for the people who choose to be responsible while having sexual relations. That in my book is just....wrong.


So by your reasoning someone who doesn't use BC, IUD's, condoms is choosing to be irresponsible during sexual relations? Huh?!



deliveredarling -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/9/2008 7:43:42 PM)

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So by your reasoning someone who doesn't use BC, IUD's, condoms is choosing to be irresponsible during sexual relations? Huh?!


Well, having sex without contraception for those who do not want children is, yes, irresponsible.

Why else in the world would abortion be such a popular choice????????



clag4christ -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/9/2008 9:50:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

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So by your reasoning someone who doesn't use BC, IUD's, condoms is choosing to be irresponsible during sexual relations? Huh?!


Well, having sex without contraception for those who do not want children is, yes, irresponsible.


No...it's not irresponsible (especially if the couple is married, as it should be)...it's allowing a blessing to come into your life. Whether or not a couple chooses to give that child up for adoption is another matter...

quote:

Why else in the world would abortion be such a popular choice????????


Um...because people are sinful and love the darkness...



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/10/2008 7:37:08 AM)

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No, c4c, that is not medically correct. The "primary purpose" of an IUD is to prevent implantation in the uterine lining.


And since life (genetically distinct, biologically human, biologically alive) begins at *conception* that is abortion of said life.



deliveredarling -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/10/2008 9:10:29 AM)

I have an IUD, have had it for over a year now. I do not have menses, so what exactly am I aborting every month?

No menses, no abortion. Not having menses is a side effect, although a good one, is not abortion , it is preventative.

I've had all the children I want. I don't feel guilty for having it. never had menses before I got it. I was on depo prior too the IUD, so I haven't had menses since my daughter was born.

I think ya'll are turning this into a very mute point. I find it irresponsible to support said notions above. people who do not want to have children should not have children and take the necessary steps to avoid having them.

To make a person feel guilty because they don't want children right now is irresponsible and wrong.



JimboFletch -> RE: The birth control pill and IUD (introuterinedevice) can cause abortions (10/10/2008 9:28:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

I have an IUD, have had it for over a year now. I do not have menses, so what exactly am I aborting every month?

No menses, no abortion. Not having menses is a side effect, although a good one, is not abortion , it is preventative.

I've had all the children I want. I don't feel guilty for having it. never had menses before I got it. I was on depo prior too the IUD, so I haven't had menses since my daughter was born.

I think ya'll are turning this into a very mute point. I find it irresponsible to support said notions above. people who do not want to have children should not have children and take the necessary steps to avoid having them.

To make a person feel guilty because they don't want children right now is irresponsible and wrong.

I agree completely.

It is easy to run so far with any line of reasoning as to no longer be rational or to completely go beyond the spirit of a principle and become enslaved to the letter, to strain out gnat but swallow a camel.



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