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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 10/1/2008 3:49:05 PM
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Peter_Gunn
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I believe you're right in that this scripture is referring to material wealth...just be sure to read the entire text and keep it in context! "With God, all things are possible." (But Jimbo already pointed that out and I digress!)
Being poor is subjective, and as one who has lived and worked as a missionary in a number of third world countries I say there are "No" poor people in the U.S.
Even the homeless folks hfere are "Rich" compared to most folks in the world as they can get medical treatment, govenment handouts, go to soup kitchens, etc.
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Amen, Preacher! So, the question is, would a depression in this day and age, be a real depression??? Would anyone really have to worry about going hungry?
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 10/1/2008 4:01:53 PM
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I may have some historic facts wrong. We may indeed just be facing a correction in the economic life of our country. So was the Great Depression.
everyone is so quick to yell "DEPRESSION", and we're BARELY in a RECESSION!
GEEZ!
what's a depression? the best "definition" i have found is a 10 or more percent decline in the GDP but,have we had ANY yet? if so, it's been miniscule.
In more "general terms", a "depression" is a PROLONGED severe recession...are we even in an "official recession" yet??? if so, barely.....
as others have been saying, people in the U.S. have VERY short memories, and would likely think that a mild recession IS a "depression".....and, they don't remember the REALLY bad times throughout most of the 1970s/early 1980s (or weren't born yet).....
REALLY makes you think that all the "Recession" and "Depression" talk from SOME politicians is just wishful thinking....
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 10/1/2008 4:35:46 PM
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REALLY makes you think that all the "Recession" and "Depression" talk from SOME politicians is just wishful thinking.... Politicians and their news outlets.
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 10/2/2008 9:57:07 AM
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I believe that we are slipping into a depression. Just look at the things around you. I don't have a lot of information. But I have heard that there are banks around the world crashing.
I want everyone to see this. Believe it or not, its still very important.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7B4laX1E70
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 10/2/2008 3:35:08 PM
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Nickie-
Take a deep breath there  . We're a long way away from a depression. We would have to see some tremendous policy mistakes at both the federal and state/local levels to create a bona fide depression. At worst, a significant recession is possible. That's bad enough - we don't need to make it worse by feeding into unnecessary fear and panic.
Parallels to the great depression here currently don't exist. The picture today is fundamentally different and more favorable. Even comparisons to the early 1980's break down fairly rapidly. We don't have the productivity problem, corporate inefficiency issues, overladen corporate balance sheets, high inflation, high interest rates, commercial real estate over-building, punitive tax rates or any of the other features of a really severe recession.
Chill, there. It's not that bad.
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 10/3/2008 11:10:02 AM
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...Christ also makes the point that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get saved...
Jesus finished that point with, "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
Poverty isn't a panacea of faith in itself either. Try finding stats on the number of the rich who hold up convenience stores or banks...
When the rich steal its called embezzlement.
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 10/3/2008 12:09:49 PM
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...Christ also makes the point that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get saved...
Jesus finished that point with, "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
Poverty isn't a panacea of faith in itself either. Try finding stats on the number of the rich who hold up convenience stores or banks...
When the rich steal its called embezzlement.
Do you think there is anywhere near the number of wealthy embezzlers as armed thieves?
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 10/3/2008 3:18:11 PM
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everyone is so quick to yell "DEPRESSION", and we're BARELY in a RECESSION!
GEEZ!
Excellent point. A recession is defined as two quarters with negatine growth and we have not had one with negative growth.
So a recession would be at least 6 months or longer away.
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 10/3/2008 3:23:40 PM
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That's bad enough - we don't need to make it worse by feeding into unnecessary fear and panic.
I think SOME of our current economic situation (SOME...not ALL), can certainly be attributed to the "unnecessary fear and panic", brought on by certain politicians, who feel as if they have an "advantage" if the economy at least APPEARS to be "in the dumps"....
when you're out there day after day, TRYING to convince people that they are "miserable" and "struggling".....many are going to start believing the rhetoric...
and, now, their dreams have come true. Good for them.
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 10/4/2008 2:40:34 PM
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Thanks for the responses. 
In response to RC...thanks for the input but I respectfully disagree that 'rich' and 'poor' are states of mind. I think rich and poor are objective realities. Whether someone's own perception of reality is accurate - that is another thing. Just because a person feels poor or rich doesn't necessarily make them so.
I think with regards to poor people tending to get saved more often than rich - this is clearly taught in the word - not that poor people don't steal as well. There are also many things that some rich people steal from the poor (or those with less money or greed) that are not just money. James talks about the rich withholding the poor man's wages, about the rich taking people to court, oppressing the poor and believers, and blaspheming 'that worthy name by the which ye are called'. Its more than just money that rich people steal and they are also very adept at disguising and hiding their theft. The point about 'embezzling' is duly noted.
God bless all abundantly - we are rich 'in Christ' - eternally and boundlessly rich. We are joint-heirs with Christ (Rom. ch. 8), we own all things (1 Cor. ch. 2), we are 'first fruits' (first in rank, place, order) of God's creatures (Js. ch. 1), we have the power that raised Christ from the dead and seated Him at the right hand of God operating in and through us (Eph. chs. 1 and 3), we have the sweet friendship and praise of God in Christ to experience now and to look forward to (1 John ch. 3:1-3), we have the 'perfect law of liberty' to frame our lives in freedom (Js. ch. 1). Anyone, rich or poor, who is in Christ, is inexpressibly rich. We don't need to have control our lives and ambitions the desire for the things of this world, the desire for the pleasures of this world, the praise, position, and status that the men of this world offer. We possess infinitely more in Christ.
Galadriel2
Whether we are headed for a depression or not - we who are in Christ will do well to remember just how rich we, in reality, are. It will help and comfort us immensely whatever comes our way and remind us to pursue the true and eternal riches of the kingdom of God.
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 11/17/2008 12:29:32 AM
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Why bring up Bill Clinton? He actually did a good job w/ economy - just look at the numbers. "
When Reagan left office, he got us in the black. When Clinton left office, he got us back in the red. I think alot of what is happening now is tied to NAFTA. After sending all of our jobs overseas, what did they expect to happen? If no one has a job, they can't buy anything. Well, duh!!
" Smart people have been regularly predicting a depression since 2003"
Well, I guess David Wilkerson must be supersmart, than, because he's been predicting we would go into a depression since 1998. Read America's Last Call and God's Plan to Protect His People in the Coming Depression. Why are we going into a depression? Because that's how God judges those nations who once looked to Him for guidance and then abandoned Him. Like we have done. Homosexuality is one of the last signs of a nation being judged by God; before the depression hits.
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 11/17/2008 12:32:22 AM
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BTW, I dreamt back in 2002 that I was at my high school's homecoming game in 2014 and we were just coming out of a depression that started in 2007. Creeping, huh?
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 11/17/2008 1:33:16 AM
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Economoic talk gives me a headache because reports can easily be doctored to show whatever someone wants it t show.
I do believe that not only is America headed for difficult times, but the rest of the world is as well. I believe that God is trying to tell everyone that it is time to reconsider our prioritites and where we are really headed.
Take this whole globalization of the world's economy. Third world nations are developing, some say, faster than the industiralized West is able to hold its position in the world. Who is going to buy what everyone is selling once everyone ownes at least one thing that has ever, or is currently produced anywhere in the world.? What then? What is that going to be called?
What is going to happen when there is more "stuff" in the world that can ever be purchased by everyone in the world, provided that there are people in the world that are aboe to afford it?
May, just maybe, we are reaching our saturation point of "stuff" in this world and we need to start looking for something different t aid the econom, or base the economy on.
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 11/17/2008 7:42:19 AM
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When Reagan left office, he got us in the black. When Clinton left office, he got us back in the red. I think alot of what is happening now is tied to NAFTA. After sending all of our jobs overseas, what did they expect to happen? If no one has a job, they can't buy anything. Well, duh!!
This country's budget was never once balanced under Reagan only under Clinton. Supply Side hasn't brought us a balanced budget yet.
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 11/17/2008 1:15:53 PM
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It's funny how Christians have their heads in the sand. And how everything must turn into a argument. Are we headed for a depression? I dont know.. Probably not. I think this nation should be humbled though. We're greedy and prideful. We're corrupt. On every front. I think those Christians that have the cushy jobs, the toys, the white picket fence and so on are so wrapped up in those things that they don't long for home. When I say home. I mean with Jesus. I dont believe in running around screaming that the sky is falling.. but you need to wake up. There's more things going on in this world. I believe that the return of Christ is soon. I believe the powers that be will keep putting band aids on this economy.. which is crazy... I think things will eventually smooth over. I dont believe we will have the terrorist attack like most believe we will. I believe for the most part wealth and peace will return. But thats false.. When that comes to pass... When all is well.. we're fat and happy.. when we least expect it.. The trumpet of heaven sounds.. and this age of grace is over. You cant build a country or your personal life on credit. The government tells us that we must spend.. buy things we cant afford... to stimulate this economy.. thats crazy!!! thats how we got here... I think we need to be humbled.. It's scary... I would suffer. My family would suffer.. But I'm open to the fact that I'm not above that.
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 11/17/2008 5:34:51 PM
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My thoughts are that we are heading into an era that noone has seen before.
We are entering a time in which we will experience a bizzare turn of events that will make the past years till now seem 'easy'.
What most don't realize is that much of our economy now for the last 15 years, has been built on 'borrowed' money. Meaning, our economy is built on phantom finances. The real, hard, physical economy exists somewhere beneath the surface. Much of our economy isn't 'real'.
We will now be propt up and live so-called plentiful lives on a system built on a larger world standard. It will force us to change our civilization again in ways that a generation previous wouldn't recognize. It will be built off technology, but will serve different purposes in society, all of which will serve man's sensory interests. It will no longer be practical to live autonomously b/c a coalition of governments, businesses and special interest groups will begin running the world with a new way of thinking that will alter our landscape, particularly for those who prefer living rugged, independent lives.
The collective world won't let things fail b/c we stand to lose too much and make too many people desperate and angry. So, currencies will be wiped out or redone to create a new system that is based off of world trade on a larger scale. Sort of a 'cap and trade' type system, but with a more consumer friendly structure. (cause remember, can't lose those consumers, at least the ones that buy the 'fun' goods.)
The world will become more distinct in terms of lifestyles that people are forced to live. Family time and personal time will continue to be less important. You will be FORCED to be PASSIONATE about something and play along with people who really are passionate about nothing else than success or a particular discipline. Thereby, you becoming a 'slave' of sorts to a particular order and way of things. You will have to live a life like the rest of the crowd does, b/c not doing so will put you at a serious disadvantage. So much so that people will choose it over God.
Bottom line, this is another way that the world reorganizes itself into a more connected, 'comfy' one world state.
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 11/17/2008 6:22:32 PM
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yes, I think so, but recession vs. depression, honestly which is worse?
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RE: Are we headed for a depression? - 11/17/2008 6:35:56 PM
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I may have some historic facts wrong. We may indeed just be facing a correction in the economic life of our country. So was the Great Depression.
everyone is so quick to yell "DEPRESSION", and we're BARELY in a RECESSION!
Oh, come now, Kerns. Unemployment is at its highest level since before I was born and things appear to be getting worse. At best, it appears we are looking at a 20-year recession. I think claims of DEPRESSION are still rather premature, but I think you're going to have a hard time arguing that this will be a mild recession. At the very least, do yourself a favor, re-examine your expenses, and make sure you are saving money every month.
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what's a depression? the best "definition" i have found is a 10 or more percent decline in the GDP but,have we had ANY yet? if so, it's been miniscule.
In more "general terms", a "depression" is a PROLONGED severe recession...are we even in an "official recession" yet??? if so, barely.....
Most people are agreeing right now that the recession is going to get worse. How much worse? I don't know, but if GM goes under, we're looking at 10-12% unemployment by the time we're done, at best. This would be comparable with the worst of the early '80s. The strong dollar also isn't helping.
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as others have been saying, people in the U.S. have VERY short memories, and would likely think that a mild recession IS a "depression".....and, they don't remember the REALLY bad times throughout most of the 1970s/early 1980s (or weren't born yet).....
That's certainly the case for me. This is shaping up to be the worst recession in my lifetime, so far.
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I do believe that not only is America headed for difficult times, but the rest of the world is as well. I believe that God is trying to tell everyone that it is time to reconsider our prioritites and where we are really headed.
I couldn't have said this better. Between the global situation, most people's personal finances, and the economy, we really have nowhere left to turn for good news. The only place left to turn is God.
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