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RE: unwed, pregnant, teenager - 11/2/2008 8:07:36 PM
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NANADEBORAH
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I have been seen alot of this type of attitudes in church. Our words mean nothing without the Word of God backing it up. And if the Word can't back it up then leave it alone. BUT I will say in the Word it does say that "Love covers a miltitude of sin". SOMEONE MISSED a blessing!! God help us all to reach down and help someone find their way to the Lord. I don't recall any of us being born saved. There is a child to come in this world!: and needs a Mom with someone to help her be a strong woman to serve the Lord and raise this child to know the things of God!!!!!
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RE: unwed, pregnant, teenager - 11/3/2008 3:03:56 AM
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gracen77
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Rafterman,
I truly believe you are correct in reaching
out to this young lady in love. However, she
should definitely be made aware of her sin
and ask God for forgiveness, then taught the
error of her ways and accept Jesus Christ. If
she does, then proceeding with a shower is love
as Christ loves us. God showed me this kind of
love. It's similar to Mary Magdalene being forgiven
of sin then later used greatly by the Lord. PHN!!!
Amazingly, I had a death experience and was
brought into the presence of God after sinning.
Everything comes up for the judgment - every act,
every intention, every thought. Remember, the Lord
even said that "as a man thinketh, so is he." Those
things were judged alike. So, if someone at the church
told a lie, they are no better, and sin is sin. Yet, we know
some sins are considered abominable in the Word. They
are in Proverbs 6:16-19. Lying is one of them. See, too,
NOTHING is hidden from God. Some are presenting
a perfect looking image to others, but God knows the truth.
It's true, however, that bishops, etc. have been
given certain ways to deal with the church, thus
body of Christ. All held accountable individually.
We also must rightly divide the Word of truth.
Love covers all. 1 John 4:16 reveals to humanity
that God is love. It's VERY true. Plus, where sin
abounds, GRACE does so much more abound. His
grace is MUCH bigger than our sins. NO ONE would
be saved without it, for ALL have sinned and fallen short.
Admitted or not. Visible or not. True, some 'feel' superior.
They are not! None of us. In fact, pray for those leaders.
I, for one, fear not forgiving others, for if we don't forgive
others, neither are we forgiven. I can't afford it personally.
Jesus, via John 3:16 is the most awesome gift imaginable.
So, continue in love. You're only judged by what 'you' do.
By the way, only blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not forgiven,
EVER! Easy to understand, but too long to put here. Nor can
a person plan to sin, then plan to ask forgiveness later. Who
knows when our last day is? May not get a chance to later.
Yet, God knows our heart and true intentions or if deception.
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I once was lost but now am found,
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RE: unwed, pregnant, teenager - 11/3/2008 11:44:32 AM
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solarflare
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ORIGINAL: NANADEBORAH
I have been seen alot of this type of attitudes in church. Our words mean nothing without the Word of God backing it up. And if the Word can't back it up then leave it alone. BUT I will say in the Word it does say that "Love covers a miltitude of sin". SOMEONE MISSED a blessing!! God help us all to reach down and help someone find their way to the Lord. I don't recall any of us being born saved. There is a child to come in this world!: and needs a Mom with someone to help her be a strong woman to serve the Lord and raise this child to know the things of God!!!!!
Have you actually read this thread? No one missed a blessing. Here we go again.
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RE: unwed, pregnant, teenager - 11/3/2008 11:46:55 AM
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Solarflare,
I wasn't talking forgiveness, I was talking acceptance. There was a similar situation at my church where a girl from youth group got pregnant. Now, the shower was NOT held at the church, but at the home of the girl's mother. This girl was repentant, she was a believer, but like all of us believers, she stumbled and sinned. She prayed with the pastor and asked for forgiveness of her sins, and was forgiven by the pastoral staff (this is at a megachurch, so the staff was pretty extensive). Many (not all) of the ladies at church had nothing to do with her after that, even after she had repented.
OK...well that's a whole other story and of course folks were completely out of line in not accepting her. That, is passing judgement that none of us can afford to pass.
For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Thanks for clarifying Mark328 
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RE: unwed, pregnant, teenager - 11/3/2008 8:04:44 PM
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NANADEBORAH
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quote:
ORIGINAL: solarflare
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ORIGINAL: NANADEBORAH
I have been seen alot of this type of attitudes in church. Our words mean nothing without the Word of God backing it up. And if the Word can't back it up then leave it alone. BUT I will say in the Word it does say that "Love covers a miltitude of sin". SOMEONE MISSED a blessing!! God help us all to reach down and help someone find their way to the Lord. I don't recall any of us being born saved. There is a child to come in this world!: and needs a Mom with someone to help her be a strong woman to serve the Lord and raise this child to know the things of God!!!!!
Have you actually read this thread? No one missed a blessing. Here we go again.
WHAT IS THIS TO SEND BACK AND FORTH WORDS TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT OR TO PRAY FOR THOSE IN THIS SITUATION AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A HARD TIME BEING NICE TO HER AFTER HER MISTAKE. I DID NOT JOIN THIS TO SEND NOT VERY NICE QUOTES TO EACH OTHER BUT TO PRAY FOR ANYONE THAT I COULD HELP. IF MY NOTE AFENDED YOU THEN I AM SORRY. WE ALL MISS BLESSINGS EVERYDAY IN ONE WAY OR AN OTHER. I HAVE BEEN AN UNWED MOTHER BEFORE. I AM VERY THANKFUL THAT THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD AND ONE DAY I WILL SEE HIM. NO HARD FEELINGS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CHRISTIANS.
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RE: unwed, pregnant, teenager - 11/3/2008 11:46:34 PM
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ORIGINAL: NANADEBORAH
WHAT IS THIS TO SEND BACK AND FORTH WORDS TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT OR TO PRAY FOR THOSE IN THIS SITUATION AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A HARD TIME BEING NICE TO HER AFTER HER MISTAKE. I DID NOT JOIN THIS TO SEND NOT VERY NICE QUOTES TO EACH OTHER BUT TO PRAY FOR ANYONE THAT I COULD HELP. IF MY NOTE AFENDED YOU THEN I AM SORRY. WE ALL MISS BLESSINGS EVERYDAY IN ONE WAY OR AN OTHER. I HAVE BEEN AN UNWED MOTHER BEFORE. I AM VERY THANKFUL THAT THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD AND ONE DAY I WILL SEE HIM. NO HARD FEELINGS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CHRISTIANS.
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RE: unwed, pregnant, teenager - 11/3/2008 11:50:58 PM
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solarflare
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WHAT IS THIS TO SEND BACK AND FORTH WORDS TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT OR TO PRAY FOR THOSE IN THIS SITUATION AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A HARD TIME BEING NICE TO HER AFTER HER MISTAKE. I DID NOT JOIN THIS TO SEND NOT VERY NICE QUOTES TO EACH OTHER BUT TO PRAY FOR ANYONE THAT I COULD HELP. IF MY NOTE AFENDED YOU THEN I AM SORRY. WE ALL MISS BLESSINGS EVERYDAY IN ONE WAY OR AN OTHER. I HAVE BEEN AN UNWED MOTHER BEFORE. I AM VERY THANKFUL THAT THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD AND ONE DAY I WILL SEE HIM. NO HARD FEELINGS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CHRISTIANS.
Fornication is a sin.....not a mistake. Your note does not offend me. You need to read the thread to understand all that has gone on here. It has been talked to death. I'll leave you to your blessings and offendanations and supposings. I don't travel in those circles.
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RE: unwed, pregnant, teenager - 11/4/2008 1:18:03 PM
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Mark328
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ORIGINAL: solarflare
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Solarflare,
I wasn't talking forgiveness, I was talking acceptance. There was a similar situation at my church where a girl from youth group got pregnant. Now, the shower was NOT held at the church, but at the home of the girl's mother. This girl was repentant, she was a believer, but like all of us believers, she stumbled and sinned. She prayed with the pastor and asked for forgiveness of her sins, and was forgiven by the pastoral staff (this is at a megachurch, so the staff was pretty extensive). Many (not all) of the ladies at church had nothing to do with her after that, even after she had repented.
OK...well that's a whole other story and of course folks were completely out of line in not accepting her. That, is passing judgement that none of us can afford to pass.
For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Thanks for clarifying Mark328
Not a problem! 
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RE: unwed, pregnant, teenager - 11/6/2008 11:36:00 PM
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pstrdebi
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WOW... I left for awhile cuz this thread seemed to be going around in circles...
It's still going in circles... and I can't believe it's at 500+ posts!! (way to go, rafterman!)
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We will probab;u get "Spanked" for not staying to the subject, but Lordy do some Pastors and leaders not know that we are held responsible for what we teach.
(Heb 13:17) Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
All of us ministers, teachers, leaders, etc. will answer to God for the truthfullness and fullness of what we teach.
Thsnks
RC
Boy, howdy!
And yes, I do believe that many do not fully understand the reponsibility noted above! 
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RE: unwed, pregnant, teenager - 11/6/2008 11:54:37 PM
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pstrdebi
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Youth group girl. Long time attender. Not a member. Not saved.
She just graduated and is pregnant. She is not married and is not getting married to the father. (good thing, he is bad news)
She wanted to have her baby shower at the church.
Some of the women said no way! They were so disappointed in her etc...
I explained to the women leaders in our church council meeting that this may be the last opportunity that we have to witness to her and love her and bring her closer to us and that they should take the lead have the baby shower at the church.
They did nothing. Didn't give a yes or a no. Until the girl gave up and found another church where she could have the shower.
The pastor is new. He has only been at the church for 6 months. I don't think he had a real problem with having the shower at the church, but I don't think expected people to just ignore this girl.
Any thoughts.
I'm returning to the beginning.
I've highlighted what I think are the key elements.
She attended for a long time... she felt this was her church.
She is young... how many teenagers do you know that really have it all together? Did any of you sin when you were 18? What does God say about sin? Is one greater than the other?
Has your church... any church... ever thrown a birthday party for someone? Did that birthday person ever sin? Oh... they just lied, or maybe looked at a playboy, or maybe cheated on their taxes. Nothing like getting pregnant, right?
The biggest problem I see here, is the last one I highlighted and enlarged. She gave up... and you can bet your bottom dollar she will never forget this experience.
These self-righteous women should be fully ashamed of themselves. They missed the God-given opportunity to be a blessing to this lost kid!
I would love her address so that I could write to her and tell her how proud I am of her for not getting an abortion... and tell about how much God loves her no matter what... and how He is just waiting to forgive her with His arms wide open!!!!
Just like He did for ALL OF US!!!
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RE: unwed, pregnant, teenager - 11/8/2008 3:55:58 AM
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debi
Just what was it exactly that she gave up????? Her selfish sense of entitlement? Har desire for material possessions? Her attempts to use the church for selfish gain?
The post says she moved on to another church seeking what she wanted....which sounds like a very common happening in many circles today..
To say we should applaud a woman or man for simply refusing to murder an innocent person is not logical...What if we applauded every man and woman who had an affair but didn't choose to end it by murdering their spouse to avoid getting caught?
Can you come up with a stronger argument?
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RE: unwed, pregnant, teenager - 11/8/2008 5:41:52 PM
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I think it's different if the girl had newly come into the congregation. At least in my church, a long time attender, living in sin, wouldn't be allowed to have the same rights and privileges that come with living for God. I could see if this young woman came into the church pregnant, and desired to change. All I see though is that she was still living in sin going to the church, and then when a baby was produced from her sin, she expects the church to take up the slack, even if she has thought of marrying, or putting off her sin.
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RE: unwed, pregnant, teenager - 11/8/2008 7:58:35 PM
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rcjames
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I think it's different if the girl had newly come into the congregation. At least in my church, a long time attender, living in sin, wouldn't be allowed to have the same rights and privileges that come with living for God. I could see if this young woman came into the church pregnant, and desired to change. All I see though is that she was still living in sin going to the church, and then when a baby was produced from her sin, she expects the church to take up the slack, even if she has thought of marrying, or putting off her sin.
MediumOneOne, you have struck the cord that so many seem to miss or at least ignore. The girl did not wnat to change (repent of her sins). The OP stated in his second or third post that she had no interest in repenting.
So I maintain that folks that have no interest in repenting of their sins have no place in the Church. By definition Church is a gathering of Saints (those that have repented), not of those who refuse and have no interest in repenting.
The Church failed her yes, but not over the shower. The youth group, the youth leader/Pastor and anyone else that had contact with her in the CHurch had already failed in their duty to spread and share the Gospel. And throwing a party for an unrepentant unsaved fornicator will do nothing but encourage the sin and give the OK for more.
We come round robin to one of my pet peeves; that most youth groups are glorified baby sitters and do not teach the true gospel of Jesus Christ.
But that just might be me.
Thanks
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