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ORIGINAL: Retrobyter

Shalom, SwordLady.

I'm a bit of a maverick (I've been getting on the bandwagon) when it comes to the signs of the end times, but I personally believe that the biggest sign is found in the prediction of Matthew 23:37-39:

Matt 23:37-39
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
KJV

That's my take.

Retrobyter

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ORIGINAL: Irish2

I think your right and I love that particular scripture verse.

You know, in the original 1611 KJV, the translators put a cross reference in the margins linking this verse in Matthew's gospel to a book in the "apocrypha" section called 2 Esdras.

Here's a few of the verses in 2 Esdras:

[28] "Thus says the Lord Almighty: Have I not entreated you as a father entreats his sons or a mother her daughters or a nurse her children,
[29] that you should be my people and I should be your God, and that you should be my sons and I should be your father?
[30] I gathered you as a hen gathers her brood under her wings. But now, what shall I do to you? I will cast you out from my presence.
[31] When you offer oblations to me, I will turn my face from you; for I have rejected your feast days, and new moons, and circumcisions of the flesh.
[32] I sent to you my servants the prophets, but you have taken and slain them and torn their bodies in pieces; their blood I will require of you, says the Lord.
[33] "Thus says the Lord Almighty: Your house is desolate;


Was Jesus quoting his father here?

Anyway, considering the books of Esdras are considered some of the gems of Jewish apocalyptic literature, does this somehow shed some more insight as to what Jesus meant in Matthew's gospel as it relates to signs and prophecies?



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ORIGINAL: SwordLady
According to scripture, which End Time signs and prophecies must be fulfilled?

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ORIGINAL: .nile.

Signs of the birthing pangs of the Millennium Reign of Jesus at Jerusalem.

1. war, plague, and famine of seal four (has been occurring over past centuries)
2. hitler and the dragon persecute the woman, but the woman is delivered with the wings of eagles (which is sucessively and numerically the fourth creature mentioned in revelation) for God is a God of order.
3. Israel formed 1948
4. fifth seal is opened (when God is ready) fourth continues as do all other horses in various places.
5. earthquakes, famines, and pestilences in various places.
6. temple rebuilt
7. two witnesses at Jerusalem
8. appearance of the ten rulers of the earth who devour Babylon to fight the two prophets for 1260 days or 3 1/2 years or 42 months.
9. 144,000 firstfruits of The Lord appear all over the earth to witness to non believers and protect Israel.
9. the false leader prophet subdues 3 of these rulers, to make eight, and takes his place among them eventually killing the two witnesses.
10. 'christmas' happens worldwide, and then the two prophets come to life.
11. earthquake happens and false prophet continues for 30-75 more days.
12. the 144,000 Firstfruits are sealed and the believers are delivered in caught up to meet Christ in the air as written.
13. the trumpet and bowl judgments are poured out upon anyone who has taken the mark of the number of the name of the false prophet leader.
14. the Millennium Reign at Jerusalem begins and the first Resurrection of the Holy Chosen People will come to life to be with Christ as Priests in Jerusalem.
15. 7 years to clean up all the uncleanness and idolatry and magic art wickedness found in Jerusalem.
16. Any national leader who fails to at least show up annually by representative will not receive any rain that year.
17. Armageddon; the dragon and false prophet 'son of perdition' is released once again.
18. The Great White Throne Judgment Day and the second Resurrection.

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ORIGINAL: .nile.

The prefects of the NIV on a certain website have not allowed me to quote the scripture for 'copyright' reasons. Therefore, I was not allowed to present a more comprehensive presentation on the matter. Please forgive me.