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Little_1 -> Opposite directions (9/28/2008 8:02:05 AM)
Why do you think a tragic situation can turn one non Christian in the direction of God and another in the opposite?

mvic -> RE: Opposite directions (9/28/2008 10:40:36 AM)
Where there is free will and freedom of thought, people will see things differently. Where one Christian will see that God is in control of the tragic situation, and by thanking Him for being in control, He will work things out for the better. Another person will be so overwhelmed by the tragic situation that he will loose his focus on God (assuming he's a believer) and be totally distraught by the situation. Never, ever, take your focus away from God. See Him in every situation - however bad. It's worked for me so far. God bless.

mvic -> RE: Opposite directions (9/28/2008 10:47:39 AM)
Sorry Little 1, I mis-read your post. You said: non-Christian. I suppose my previous comments still apply. A non-Christian, seeing the tragic situation, may fall off his horse on the way to Damascus and turn to God. Whilst another non-Christian, perhaps hardenned by his personal experience, may say: Aha, I thought there was no God. Now I'm right. How could a God allow such a tragic situation to happen. It boils down to free will and freedom of thought. When God invited us to love Him He wanted us to make our decision freely without any coercion on His part. Hence one non-Christian behaving differently from another when faced with a tragic situation.

kyl -> RE: Opposite directions (9/28/2008 10:55:59 AM)
FAITH EVERYTHING ALWAYS COMES BACK TO OUR FAITH DO WE REALLY HAVE FAITH BUILT ON A SOLID FOUNDATION>THE LORD OUR SAVIOR WHEN TROUBLES COME WHERE AND WHO DO YOU RUN TO? mvic put it very well does your faith keep you focused on the Lord through sunshine and rain?

LCannon -> RE: Opposite directions (9/28/2008 4:40:08 PM)
Generally, probably, the different responses are directly consistent with the HS's leaning(and leading)in either repentance(hence obedience) or the other's continued(and further hardening)disobedience.

Liveloved -> RE: Opposite directions (9/28/2008 10:58:06 PM)
quote: Why do you think a tragic situation can turn one non Christian in the direction of God and another in the opposite? Their response is a reflection of their heart.[sm=icon_smile_cry.gif]

Walker311 -> RE: Opposite directions (9/28/2008 11:11:39 PM)
When we are cold we seek warmth. When hot we seek cool. When rain we seek shelter. When hurt we need healing. When sad we long for joy. These are all reflexive but with tragic situations we seek blame or revenge. We may desire anger over reason. Those who turn away from God instead of running to Him do not know Him or want to know Him even though He extends His hand. This is far more tragic than any tragedy.

Little_1 -> RE: Opposite directions (9/29/2008 3:25:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mvic ......When God invited us to love Him He wanted us to make our decision freely without any coercion on His part. Hence one non-Christian behaving differently from another when faced with a tragic situation. quote: ORIGINAL: Liveloved Their response is a reflection of their heart.[sm=icon_smile_cry.gif] quote: ORIGINAL: Walker ......Those who turn away from God instead of running to Him do not know Him or want to know Him even though He extends His hand. This is far more tragic than any tragedy. [sm=icon_smile_cry.gif][sm=icon_smile_cry.gif][sm=icon_smile_cry.gif]

Little_1 -> RE: Opposite directions (9/29/2008 3:32:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kyl FAITH EVERYTHING ALWAYS COMES BACK TO OUR FAITH DO WE REALLY HAVE FAITH BUILT ON A SOLID FOUNDATION>THE LORD OUR SAVIOR WHEN TROUBLES COME WHERE AND WHO DO YOU RUN TO? mvic put it very well does your faith keep you focused on the Lord through sunshine and rain? I remember many years ago, the Lord speaking to me about building my life on the solid rock (which of course is Christ) so that when the winds of adversity come, I would not be tossed and blown about and become unstable. The passage in the Bible which speak of building upon the rock and not the sand is a part of the Bible I often think about when going through adversity. I want to put my life foundations deep down into the only reliable source there is - the Lord Jesus. He is a solid rock and those who trust in Him and build their lives upon His Word will not be shaken. He is my strong rock. [sm=angel.gif]

pstrdebi -> RE: Opposite directions (9/30/2008 3:52:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Little_1 Why do you think a tragic situation can turn one non Christian in the direction of God and another in the opposite? I thought at first that you meant non-Christian tuning to God... and Christian turning away... which I have seen before. In that case I would have said for the non Christian it is that "need" of a void being filled. And for the Christian it is that expected "need" that wasn't filled. But I agree that when you build your house... etc, etc. And... for the Christian... it is maturity. Also... for new Christians, many are told "Receive Christ and your life will be GREAT!" No-one tells them that the storms will come... and when they do, they are dis-heartened.

raivyne -> RE: Opposite directions (10/1/2008 1:31:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Little_1 Why do you think a tragic situation can turn one non Christian in the direction of God and another in the opposite? I think it has to do with ability and/or willingness to surrender.

makarizo -> RE: Opposite directions (10/2/2008 6:48:18 AM)
only God knows the heart, but this one principle applies to everyone: you get what you're looking for bitter people - Christian, or non Christian - perceive things with a special filter.

Little_1 -> RE: Opposite directions (10/2/2008 2:19:52 PM)
Thanks everyone who responded to this thread. The reason I asked is because after my dad died, my thoughts turned Godward and eventually I became a Christian; however, my sister's didn't and she remains unconverted today. I was interested in why some non Christians turn to God and other non Christians don't after a crisis or sad situation.

deliveredarling -> RE: Opposite directions (10/2/2008 6:10:47 PM)
quote: Why do you think a tragic situation can turn one non Christian in the direction of God and another in the opposite? I think it completely depends on where the person is at spiritually. Maturity plays a huge part in this. A person with a true, strong faith can see God in a seemingly hopeless situation and have the faith to trust that God will carry them through. A person who claims to have a faith will depart from it when things don't go as the would like for them to. A person who has no faith won't see God's hand at work in anything because they are blind to His ways. Unless of course, God has used that particular situation to remove their blindness.... I posted blind. Just a few of my thoughts on the question.[:)]

rcjames -> RE: Opposite directions (10/3/2008 9:35:10 AM)
Jesus put it very well; (Joh 3:19) The light has come into the world, and people who do evil things are judged guilty because they love the dark more than the light. (Joh 3:20) People who do evil hate the light and won't come to the light, because it clearly shows what they have done. And some folks just love the darkness to an extent that even tragic situations will not jar them away from it. Thanks RC

Little_1 -> RE: Opposite directions (10/3/2008 1:06:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames Jesus put it very well; (Joh 3:19) The light has come into the world, and people who do evil things are judged guilty because they love the dark more than the light. (Joh 3:20) People who do evil hate the light and won't come to the light, because it clearly shows what they have done. And some folks just love the darkness to an extent that even tragic situations will not jar them away from it. Thanks RC I never thought of it like this. Thank you. Makes sense.

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